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More than 50,000 avoid IDF service
Alex Fishman
Published: 24.07.07, 10:33
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61. IDF is a criminal and corrupted institution
Mohammad ,   Al Quds   (07.25.07)
Pilots rape women (in yesterday ynetnews...) soldiers go to battles in order either to be killed or run like rabbits!!!! while their leaders sell and buy in stock markets. Free Occupied Palestine Now
62. #60 - Tzippy
tma   (07.25.07)
Please do not compare Yeshivat Esder to the Haredi yeshivot. The young men of Yeshivat Esder are national religious (dati leumi), the Haredim you know who they are. True there are a lot of seculars not enlisting in the IDF but it's not accepted by the seculars. The Haredim's evading the army is accepted and encouraged by the Haredim as a whole.
63. #56 Reuven: one reason, see #61
Dovy   (07.25.07)
How much yirat Shamayim can arise from this secular army? And how many would fall away? Would you send your orthodox children to learn in a secular public school? If the Rambam would see what the "Jewish" army looks like today, he would faint... and definitely agree with the Rabbanim. Don't you think the Rabbis know better than you what they're doing? If you have a problem with that, why don't you take it up with some Roshei Yeshiva or Rabbi and see why they're so against it, instead of speaking lashon harah on them? They'll explain it to you berachel bitcha haktanah. (And btw, lashon harah is one of the mitzvot of the Torah.)
64. make them serve!
Robert Goldman ,   cooper city Florida   (07.25.07)
when I went in I only needed to do 6 months. but signed on for another year! yes I signed on 1 extra year of sidder after that I put in another 9 plus years and then reserves. I didn't need to do it but since the country adopted me I felt it was my duty. I felt more a part of the country. When I came back to the states after being wounded in Gaza I made friends with only Israelis that served! those that said they weren't "Fryereem" were not friend material. Those that came to the states looking for job were always asked where did you serve. those that said they didn't were not hired . OK so America elected a Draft dodger as pres. (Actually 2 but we won't go into that right now) I see that if the Govt of Israel is allowing people to slip out of the draft yet allowing these people to suckle off the states TEET then the govt needs to be changed into a govt that will enforce the draft and make it citizen true citizens of the state! and not just members of the herd
65. Exodus 15:3 says THE LORD IS A MAN OF WAR...
Rivkah   (07.25.07)
in the Authorized King James Bible. King Solomon, when he dedicated the first Temple in Jerusalem said WARFARE SHOULD BE THE PRIMAARY OCCUPATION OF ISRAEL to defend itself from enemies. How can people study the BIBLE and miss that? In the American military, there are religious occupations for enlisted and officers. There are ways of serving in the military without being in combat units for youths who are unable to lift a gun in battle because of fear or religious beliefs or the wish to become a rabbi. Edward Gibbon said in his masterful book THE RIaE AND FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE that one of the causes of the fall of Rome was when the young no longer wanted to serve in the military and would cut off a thumb to be exempt. and those in the military wanted a softer life and did not want to wear their helmets or to train as much. Many things led to the fall of the Roman Empire, but avoiding military service was certainly one of them. Israel has much more to lose since BILLIONS of people on earth hate Jews with such a passion they want a genocide. Their hatred is actually of Hashem who said in Abraham's seed would all the world be blessed.
66. sign of the time
Rami ,   Nazareth, Israel   (07.25.07)
67. #58 Again you are wrong
Josh   (07.26.07)
Torah b'peh is completely unauthorized by Torah. There is no addition to the words of Mosses. G-d never commanded the lighting of candles on Shabbat. G-d never commanded reppetitive prayer - in fact you are to give G-d a new prayer. G-d never mention Rabbis. G-d never showed Abraham in the light of a madman. G-d never authorized cantations or pulsa dnura, or rain making canatations. G-d never authorized allowing energy enter into you body, on the contrary letting spirits or any other energy into your body is forbidden, G-d never said put a bone on your pesach plate, rather he said have a full lamb roasted over a fire (as if G-d has blessed us with a bone). You say I detract from Moses, what is gematra? What is cutting apart sentances and assigning stories that are out-of-context. Didn't the snake do the same in the Garden of Eden. Do waist you breath stating a point that is open to the yes as Chet.
68. #67 I have a question.
James K. ,   Leesville, LA, USA   (07.26.07)
I have a question. If candle lighting before Shabbat is only a tradition, then where did the tradition come from? I'm asking this since many traditions that seem innocent have their roots in paganism; So I'm a little curious about whether or not it's so with candle lighting.
69. "yeshiva arrangement"
Miriam Edelstein ,   Nanuet,NY USA   (07.27.07)
EVERYONE should serve equally. No more draft dodging!
70. I served in Netzach Yehuda "Nachal Charedi"
Yosef   (07.27.07)
It is wonderful there are tefilot 3 times a day on the base. Even when training in the field they always made sure to stop for tefillot. Everyday in training there is a "Shuir Torah" from a rav or an hour to learn Torah in the Beit Midrash. Even in the middle of Shvuat Milchama, they brought out a Rav to the shetach so we would not go a full week without hearing some Torah. The Kashrut it 100% and there are no women at all. One night as was doing shmira at the “Shin Gimel” or the entrance to the base and there were women soldiers that wanted to come in and it was a massive “balagan”. There is no reason why Charedim can’t join Nachal Charedi.
71. THE MISSING SOLDIERS
TOM ,   NEW YORK, USA   (07.28.07)
IN1944, DURING WORLD WAR 11 THE GOVERNMENT PASSED THE G.I. BILL OF RIGHTS, WHICH PROVIDEDE VETERANS WITH SPECIAl BENRFITS. THE VETERANS HAD ACCESS TO TUITION TO PAY FOR UNIVERSITY AND VOCATIONAL SCHOOLS, ACCESS TO SUBSIDIZED MORTGAGES, AND SPECIAL CONSIDERATION FOR GOVERNMENT JOBS. THIS SPECIAL TREATMENT IS STILL AVAILABLE. IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT SPECIAL BENEFITS SHOULD ONLY BE EXTENDED TO JEWISH AND DRUZE VETERANS. IF HAREDIM REFUSE TO JOIN SOCIETY THEY SHOULD SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.
72. Let's at least get the figures straight
HH ,   jerusalem, israel   (07.29.07)
The number 50,000 yeshiva students deferring their army service that is bandied about is misleading. That figure includes EVERYONE who is receiving a draft deferral, which includes men in their 40s. The actual number of those of realistic draftable age is about half. But of course, someone has an interest in inflating the number of chareidim dodging the draft, so the technically correct, but inaccurate figure of 50,000 is paraded about.
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