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Senior Hamas commander killed in Gaza
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Published: 22.08.07, 03:20
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1. Children to retrieve launchers?
Nicolas ,   Chios, Greece   (08.22.07)
Anybody is using children is not a terrorist..... it is a COWARD-terrorist.
2. Don't mess with Israel. PERIOD!
Israeli Arsi   (08.22.07)
3. ... but they never learn.
john ,   nz   (08.22.07)
4. Killing Children
Neil ,   Auckland New Zealand   (08.22.07)
It just par for the course for Israel to kill children. Military fired towards two people who were near a point where a rocket was fired from? So the excuse is to kill all Palestinians irrespective of their age if they are near to a point that you have decided is within a death zone. You must check before taking lives. Children 12 years old!!! Explain that to your god when you see him. Explain to the UN that this is acceptable. Not in any civilised country.
5. # 4. Palestinians send children to combat zones as shields
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6. Killing Children
David ,   Perth Australia   (08.22.07)
Were is Neil from New Zealands comment when innocent Muslin children are slautered by there own on a daily basis in Iraq , Afganistan and other places in there world. Israel has more respect for children and life then any other country. Looks like you are just an anti semite
7. Good job!
Talula ,   Israel   (08.22.07)
They clearly don't care too much about THEIR OWN children and their right to life, why should we?
8. Look, all I am saying is.....
Neil ,   Auckland New Zealand   (08.22.07)
Israel should go into gaza and stay there, that way you can have a better view when the palestinians send children to retrieve their launchers used to fire missiles intentionally fired at your israeli children. I know what i am talking about. If you were occupying gaza then you would know when to retaliate and when to hold back.
9. Killing of Children a tragedy
Ilan ,   Israel   (08.22.07)
Killing children is not deliberate and very tragic, and intelligence information supplied to aircraft hundreds of meters up in the air is not 100% accurate, although judging from Israel's recent attacks in which almost no civilians have been killed, it is remarkably acurate most of the time. Israel is faced with the option of attacking its enemy and risking Palestininian civilian injury occasonally, or not attacking and risking Israeli civilian casualties because of Palestinian completely indiscriminate rocket attacks (yesterday hitting a kindergarden and factory). Israel just has to be as accurate as possible only hitting terrorists but is not superhuman and occasionally misses.
10. killing children
Cindy ,   Israel   (08.22.07)
dont their parents care for the safaty of their own kids? why there are kids in such places? why? daddy take them to his job or what? to teach them how to fire quassams...dont you think all this is a bit absurde?
11. Killing Children re #4
Michael Durbin ,   Hong Kong   (08.22.07)
Suggest you pay a visit to Israel and Gaza. Good luck to you if you go to Gaza, you can then see what civilized is/not. Easy to sit in New Zealand and preach...if this radicalism ever comes to you, your views will doubtless change. You would have Israel wait and check more thoroughly...in your scenario, first Jews have to die, then Israel can react...but of course, not "over-react." Whatever that means. When you are ready to understand that Jews are no longer willing to "go quietly into that good night," and place ourselves in the hands of people who do not value our lives on a par with others, your views may be of some relevance. Until then, don't talk about civilised, don't preach morality to us...you would gladly stand by while Israel children are deliberately and directly targeted. Where is your voice now that a rocket has hit a (thankfully empty) kindergarten in Sderot? Perhaps you believe that the terrorists who did that did not really mean it? Or is it just that Jewish lives do not rate.
12. #4...#8...Suspending disbelief
Michael Durbin ,   Israel   (08.22.07)
"Israel should go into Gaza and stay there?" You must be kidding. Think of the chorus about "re-occupation by the Zionist aggressors." The Palestinians are still moaning about Israel this, Israel that...withdrawn or not. Face it, they do not want us to withdraw from Gaza, they do not want any solutions...just eternal conflict, whatever the cost to their people. With leadership like that, no people can live in peace.
13. IDF Always Gets A Reason.
Sexy Arabian Guy ,   Saudi Arabia   (08.22.07)
Do you have a prove that they were firing from children site? If you kill someone always you will find a reason. Just one year back, you were killing Lebanese kids and destroying everything in Lebanon because you could not face the RESISTANCE. I agree with you that Hizbollah was firing the misiles from Beirut. You destroyed Beirut and the misiles were raining and about to reach Tel Aviv. On the other hand, Hizbollah, the terrorist group as you call them, they were trying to avoide civilians. The now where to target. As a result, you killed more civilians during the war and they killed more soldiers. I hope you can think of that if you have minds.
14. What's the definition for "children". 17 year olds?
Mike ,   Boston   (08.22.07)
I've seen the misuse of the word "children" to refer to seasoned fighters who've been harassing or attacking Jews since age 10. By age 14, 15, 16, they shouldn't be considered children any more. If the Arabs do care about those "children", they should be left in schools, in libraries, or at home, not as part of a terror war against Jewish civilians.
15. #4 whenever their is innocent loss of life
Michael   (08.22.07)
it is atragedy. However, as a parent the first question is, where were the parents? Since the time of creation, there have been wars and innocent people are caught being in the wrong place at the wrong time. But your compaint is a bit naive, and your expectation of Israel is a bit unrealistic. How do you feel about Darfur? or Bosnia? Where there was intential and systemeatic killing of men women and children all unarmed. Do you think think that what occurred i Gaza is the same as Bosnia or Darfur? if you do your moral compass is a bit off. Yes, every civilized country has accidentally killed people.
16. #8, Neil
Hamburger ,   Hamburg Germany   (08.22.07)
You are saying "go into gaza and stay there", like it costs nothing. But don't forget about the price: soldiers who will be stationed in Gaza to "have a better view", as you call it, will be risking their lives much more significantly than they are now, on their occasional strikes. ln other words, the question is: should lsrael risk the lives of its soldiers, or rather risk the lives of Palestinian children, who are used as human shields by terrorists? l think the answer is obvious. Children being killed is a tragic thing, no doubt. But under no circumstances are those deaths lsrael's fault, even if physically caused by lsraeli soldiers.
17. #13, "Sexy arabian guy"
Hamburger ,   Hamburg   (08.22.07)
"Sexy arabian guy"??... "Hizbullah was trying to avoide civilians"? You are a joke!
18. #8, actually that wouldn't work either
Danny   (08.22.07)
Because in the past all that happened is that they would fire rockets from within towns. All that happens by occupying Gaza is that they are pushed a little bit back.
19. Q for Neil in Auckland
SJ ,   London   (08.22.07)
Have you ever considered holding those responsoble for sending the children - to conduct such actions - in the first place, knowing full well what the dangers are. Could you also please advise what New Zealand would do if it were continously bombarded with death and distruction causing missles?
20. #4 IDF is not responsible for the children death!
Yoni solomon ,   California   (08.22.07)
Israel is the courny of law. The hamas wing is the one who is sending women and children as thier shield to attack Israel towns and homes or citizens. IDF knows that and IDF is acting properly to protect the country security and citizens of it's own. Next time you want to blame or insult IDF, why don't you come and live in Israel see how it looks. It is easy for you to sit at comfortable zone and act like you know what you what you are talking about. To be honest with you have no clue what is so ever. I am Ethiopian Citizen who have lived in Israel for morethan fifteen years and I kow how IDF deal with situation like this one. May God protect IDF.
21. weLL DOne ! we waıt for other HAMAS bastardS kıLLınGs
MIHAEL ,   ISTANBUL   (08.22.07)
22. Women are for Shields&Children are for recovering launchpads
Alan ,   SA   (08.22.07)
23. MASEL TOV
ami ,   israel   (08.22.07)
24. #13, All demonstrably untrue
Danny   (08.22.07)
Hizbollah was trying to avoid civilians???? So how come one - count them one!! - of their 4,000 rockets hit a military target? This despite having over 10,000 IDF soldiers on border. How do you explain the military hit rate of 0.025%, if they were "trying to avoid civilians"? Beirut destroyed? Who told you this? **BITS** of the Dahiya suburb were destroyed but Beirut was virtually untouched. Also Hizbollah was NOT firing rockets from Beirut because Israel destroyed all their long-range missiles. Israel targets civilians? The majority of Palestinians killed have been killed "whilst engaging in hostile activities" - to quote Btselem. When Human Rights Watch did an investigation of the Second Lebanon War guess how many cases they were able to find where Israel "did not have a clear military target" during an airstrike? Answer, 34 out of 7000 airstrikes. And HRW had plenty of time to investigate, ask around and were on the ground. Virtually all the Israeli soldiers were killed as a result of US coming to YOU. The "resistance" as you call it ran away after the first couple of ambushes they set. All these facts are publically available, I assume you simply feel it is better to lie to yourself.
25. #4: HAMAS USED A 10 YEAR OLD RETIRED CHILD TO BLOW UP...
Gideon   (08.22.07)
That was 2 years ago. Besides that, they also manipulate and use young married and EVEN PREGNANT women for suicide attacks. Let's face it: You are an ignorant, dumb idiot.
26. Neil, #$
Jason, Ph.D. ,   USA   (08.22.07)
Neil, your combination of immorality and naiveity is utterly astounding! Guess what, Neil? Collateral damage occurs in warfare. Is Israel purposely targeting children? No, unfortunately Hamas incourages them to be in a war zone. Is Hamas deliberately targeting Israeli children? Yes they are. They are sending rockets randomly. Your comment speaks volumes about you, Neil, and nothing about Israel.
27. #25, some minor corrections
Danny   (08.22.07)
I believe it was the "moderate" Fatah movement that sent the kid, he was 14 not 10 and he was retarded not retired. But the core point remains, the Palestinians use children for attacks.
28. killing children
Balanga ,   new york usa   (08.22.07)
Hey Neil!,whats par for the course is Palestinian children being sent by adults to retrieve rocket launchers which have just been fired. Explain that to your God!, don't bother with the UN..Don't see too many 50yr old suicide bombers, theyr'e all kids whose God should we talk to about that!..your selective criticism is pathetic, any comments on the rockets which landed in a civilian area a few minutes earlier!
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