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We warned of Israeli neo-Nazis, Holocaust survivors say    Yael Branovsky
1. WITH OLMERT AND HIS CRAZY FAMILY TAKING US TO HELL IN A HAND
BASKET, IS IT ANY WONDER THAT THIS TOO IS HAPPENING.
David ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (09.10.07)
2. Deport them.
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3. brought to you by olmert, the J.A. & the hollow men
this. the latest stupidity in a long catalog of stupidities, was caused by a government without commitment to the people and the state and the Jewish Agency which has long outlived its usefulness. the J.A. did not care who was on the planes from russia as long as those planes were full. so they brought enemies of the Jewish people. well, why not if all one cares about is his job?
dante ,   uk   (09.10.07)
4. nazi jews
If israel punishes these guys based on their beliefs or tendencies rather than their actual crimes, then Israel is not that different from Islamic rebublic of Iran. People are free to be anti-jew anti-god anti-whatever and it is only their actions that must conform with the law.
kindoo ,   canada   (09.10.07)
5. nazis in eretz
deport them immediately or lock them away under the jailhouse for good they are an obscene group of animalsl
marcia lewis ,   plantation florida   (09.10.07)
6. another bi-product of the culture of hate widespread here
Rami ,   Nazareth, Israel   (09.10.07)
7. why are you hiding your face?
could it be that you are ashamed????? i sure hope so!
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8. Deport this scum and others like them!
Roni   (09.10.07)
9. neo-nazis
Send this people to Gaza,to enjoy Hamas.
Helio Rosenvald ,   Rio de Janeiro,Brazi   (09.10.07)
10. Very Simple Solution - DEPORT THEM
What to do with Nazis, neo or otherwise, that are in Israel is VERY SIMPLE ... DEPORT THEM. No hand-wringing, no committees, no muss & no fuss -- kick them out! Don't allow Nazi Ideology to take root ... remove the disease by removing the people.
Christy ,   Boston, US   (09.10.07)
11. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE!
SEND THEM BACK TO RUSSIA!
Marc ,   New Orleans   (09.10.07)
12. I just have one question
Did the Israelis from Russia tried at any time to deal with this situation at all? This did not happen all of a sudden. It has been going on for years. We have all heard about vandalism, insults, even violence by Nazis against Jews in Israel. So, did the Russians ever did anything about it? There is a certain amount of responsibilty within the Russian immigrant community to address this kind of issue. It's not a matter of dismissing it as a passing phase or a few bad apples. This is too serious for that. Or was there a deliberate attempt to cover it up, to remain silent in the hope that not many would notice it? Today the Canadian TV newscasts are reporting this item including the fact that they are former Soviet Union residents with no links to Judaism. The whole world knows about it now. So, is it all in the hands of the justice system or will there also be some reckoning within the Russian churches, immigrant associations, clubs, anything that links these people in Israel. They, like the justice system, knew about it and did nothing.
Michelle ,   Canada   (09.10.07)
13. Fine, punish them for their documented physical attacks!
Deportation is not enough. Place each of the thugs in a room with 10 members of shin bet or an elite unit, and give each the same fighting chance they gave their victims. Send each one's remains back to Russia in a box and in pieces. This kind of subhuman understands only one message. If you let them out, they will kill Jews in the future. Doesn't anyone learn from history?
MJDavidson ,   Nashville USA   (09.10.07)
14. Jewish Agency
For the last several years, the majority of new immigrants that the Jewish Agency has brought here are non-Jews. The reason for this is that otherwise they would go out of business and lose their jobs. Nefesh b'Nefesh, on the other hand, brings only Jewish immigrants.
Yael ,   Israel   (09.10.07)
15. Neo-nazis
They and their families should be deported immediately!
Bina ,   Jerusalem   (09.10.07)
16. kindoo #4
it is an offence in half of europe to display nazi insignia, are they like iran. these people are glorifying the murder of millions (not just jews) of people. organisations like this must be broken up because if we allow them space to thrive the ending is unthinkable. obviously you havent been following the story as they have beaten up many people (mostly foreign workers) and garfittied synagogues and other places. anywhere in the world, scum like that would be arrested, except iran where they would be glorified. you really have to know a few facts before posting.
ash ,   gush etzion   (09.10.07)
17. #4 - Kindoo
First of all, the title of your tb is absolutely false and misleading to people who never read the articles. These Nazis are not Jews. They are Russian immigrants who decided, or their parents decided, to come live in Israel together with the Russian Jews who made aliyah. Second. Israel does not punish these guys based on their beliefs or tendences but due to their atrocious, inhumane, cold-blooded crimes committed against religious Jews (which non-Jewish Russians hate the most, even JEwish Russians hate religious Jews), foreign workers, drug addicts and homosexuals. Rather than post nonsense, why don't you read the prior articles and gain some insight. Then come back and we'll be interested in reading your tb. Al the best.
tma   (09.10.07)
18. Interesting website on anti-Semitism in Israel
http://pogrom.org.il/ It's a center of support for victims of anti-Semitism in Israel. After trying in vain to get the attention of MKs and government leaders, a group of people organized and created this center. Their website has a lot of information and reports worth reading. This is from one of the articles, "Israel: the Alternative to anti-Semitism?": "Yelena Rand arrived in Israel from the city of Simferopol in 1998 at the age of 13. In the country of her birth she studied in a regular (non-Jewish) school. Lena never concealed her Jewish identity; once she even gave a school report on Jewish holidays. No prejudice towards her was ever noticeable on the part of her classmates. After arriving in Israel, parallelly to her regular school, Lena was placed into an extended-day group (pnimiat yom Olimpus) for children of immigrant families of Kfar Saba. From the start, the girl was shocked by the atmosphere of loathing and hostility towards everything Jewish that she had discovered among the olim adolescents. From among the entire group of about 50 people, Lena was the only one who identified herself with the Jewish people. The majority of the group was composed of either grandchildren of Jews or non-Jewish family members. Once, during a showing in the class of a film about the Holocaust Lena started crying. From that moment onward, she became the subject of relentless harassment. She would incessantly receive photocopies from books about the Holocaust with abusive insults scrawled all over them. She was also beaten. Of course, not everyone in the class actively took part in persecuting her, but at the same time no one dared to rise to her defense." This website also has Russian and Hebrew versions.
Canadian Otter   (09.10.07)
19. Amend Law of Return
The time is long overdue to amend the Law of Return to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. When first enacted, the Law of Return was to allow all those persecuted by anti-Semites a certain place of safe refuge. The Nazis defined as "Jews" anyone with at least one grandparent, so the Law of Return was designed with this albeit non-Jewish definition in mind to make sure there would be a safe haven for anyone considered to be a "Jew" by those seeking their deaths. We now live in a different world; anti-Semites looking for economic advantage are making a mockery of the Law of Return; the law should be changed to adjust to present reality. And, by the way, all the clamoring for deportation of these citizens is a wrong approach: let us not become like our worst enemies; show the bastards that despite their psychopathic beliefs, they can expect much better treatment from Jews than what their Nazi mentors meted out to us. Let us take the moral high-road.
izik ,   Silicon Valley, CA U   (09.10.07)
20. Neo Nazis in Israel
Deport them back to mother Russia where they came from.If their families object deport them too! They should not be living here at all, so deport them now.
Carolyn ,   Israel   (09.10.07)
21. sad
really sad and alarming,looks like more than ideology these youngsters have psychiatric issues also
bob ,   chennai   (09.10.07)
22. who are we?
every body except Olmert, Perez & Livni had warned of kidnapping soldiers. now, every body else has warned of neo-nazis! Those survivors must have brought it with them?: Over two million Soviet Jews died during the Holocaust, second only to the number of Polish Jews who fell victim to Hitler.
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23. #4
Apart from yours being a stupid comment and the fact that Israel's anti-Nazi policy is unsurprisingly in line with many other nations including Germany and Austria, these pieces of scum DID break the law; assault, grafiti (of synagogues with swastikas etc) amongst others. In a country which is a Jewish state wiyth many survivors still living, to have pro Nazi sympathies is neither desired nor an act of a dissadent which disagrees the way the government is being run. (Your comparison between Israel and Iran!) They are filled with pure hatred and they have shown sure self loathing that one of them said he didnt want to have kids because his grandfather's Jewish blood should not go to the next generation. This self loathing has manifested itself on violent attacks on the homeless, gays and Jews wearing a skullcap. They should be stripped of citizenship and be deported.
Adam ,   Ramat Gan   (09.10.07)
24. Why am i not surprised?
There are nazis everywhere in the world.. they're just pathetic individuals who are simply narrow-minded and think Hitler is some hero for killing millions of jews because he feared they were powerful... that's some role-model right there. I hope you sensed my sarcasm. These "nazi" wannabes need to be put in jail for bashing and discriminating on a country they're in... and after they've suffered enough, which i highly doubt, they should be kicked out and banned from Israel. I just think this is all just really sad. Their parents must be ashamed, cause i'm completely disgusted by it.
wouldnt u like 2 kno ,   ramat gan   (09.10.07)
25. to Michelle in Canada
Your comment is void of meaning. The "Russian immigrants" are not a group of vigilantes. They have no right "to deal with it themselves." In fact, seeing how the law deals with a Jewish farmer from the Negev defending his farm from several Bedouin thieves, or with a Jewish man shooting a Palestinian in self-defense, I'd say it's no surprise that the community is not dealing with it. Does the Jewish community of Montreal deal with Jewish criminals? No, they leave it to the police as they should. This is coupled with the fact that police is often brutal with the representatives of the community. Surely, this will not make members of the community likely to come forward so that police will have more ready excuses for next time they decide to beat someone up. Michelle, are you personally responsible for other Jews in Canada? You are just stated about the community something that Anne Frank said the non-Jews feel about the Jews: when a Jew does something wrong, all Jews are responsible; but when a non-Jew does something wrong, it is his individual responsibility.
Vitaliy ,   Brooklyn, USA   (09.10.07)
26. A vivid example
This is nothing more than a vivid example of the moral bankruptcy of zionism, an ideology based on a ludicrious principle that if you are born to a certain faith or ethnicity then you have certain automatic high moral values entitling to certain automatic rights and previliges above your fellow human beings from other faiths or etnicities. The that zionists are very obviously trying to play down these incidents (due to the embarassment caused by perpetrators background), while at the same time putting similar incidents in the limelight had the perpetrators come from a backgrounfd that do not possess zionism seal of approval, serves as a testament to the hypocrisy and opportunism of the zionist ideology
Khalid ,   The Netherlands   (09.10.07)
27. Send them to Gaza for rehab
Obama ,   Washington DC   (09.10.07)
28. Follow-up to #26
as a follow-up to my earlier contribution (#26), this is a more recent article in Ynet : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3447926,00.html which in a way helps to highlight the points I mentioned in my earlier talkback about the inherent racism in zionist ideology. Especially remarkable in the article mentioned is this peiece, which I litterally quote from the article: [start]"The manner in which settlers hurt residents of the territories is a display of violence that is no less dangerous than that of the gang that captivated public and political attention. The manner in which we abuse the population of the occupied territories, even with no relation to our fears of terrorism, should outrage us no less that the tales of the neo-Nazi gang. " [END] To the American zionists who wish to reply to my contribution, please note that the writer of the article (Moshe Zimmerman) do indeed come from a background bearing zionism seal of approval, nevertheless, he chose to put humanism and justice above all other ethnic and religious considerations. Wish that American zionists learn the lesson and follow suit
Khalid ,   The Netherlands   (09.10.07)
29. HESE THUGS WERE USED BY SHARON/OLMERT TO BEAT JEWS IN AMONA
and Hebron. They were also used in the expulsion. The so-called zionist thugs have been using these goons over the past 17 years to beat up on Jews who are their political enemies. I dare anyone to challenge me on this. Olmert/Sharon?netanyahu etc have all used these thugs. They are used in the police, border units and the black shirt Yassam hoodlums. The shabak have used them as well. PS They are being used now, and will be in the future when the expulsion will include Judeah/Samaria. Speak to Ramon for more insight. Dirty messy days are ahead. Happy New Year or at least try to have one.
Jimmy the Kid   (09.10.07)
30. Khalid , The Netherlands
your ilk started the violence against the Jews back in 1929 and your Mufti collaborated in the Holocaust with the Nazis you are unworthy to judge Israel and Zionism
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