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Jewish tribes want to make aliyah
Nurit Felter
Published: 16.09.07, 09:05
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31. re#21
marie ,   usa   (09.17.07)
I thought it was a joke, then I saw you were serious about your title..hahaaahaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Thanks, I needed that!
32. re#30
marie ,   usa   (09.17.07)
Oh richard, richard, richard. Says who you ask? well...Richard ofcourse! some of the comments here make me want to fall out of my chair laughing!
33. Better yet
marie ,   usa   (09.17.07)
Try this. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, chances are...drumroll....its a duck! I know many are still scratching their heads. Face it, the palestinians arent exactly eagerly lining up to be counted as "jews". Einsteins
34. to Gabriela
Vitaliy ,   Brooklyn, NY   (09.17.07)
Full of compassion, aren't you? I know you'll say I am foolish, yet I believe it is better to be foolish than to have a heart as stale as a month-old piece of bread.
35. to #21
ROBERT TILDEN   (09.17.07)
If the Palestinians were the lost 10 tribes then the 10 tribes would have not been lost. The only thing that is lost about the Palestinians is their mind. For the Palestinians to claim they are the 10 lost tribes is the equivalent of the Spaniards saying they are Carthgenians. The Palestinians derive their name from the Philistines, a people that came from the sea a little after the Israelites came in from the land. Of course they have nothing to do with the Philistines either. Palestinians were not in existance before WWI. They were termed Syrians. Inventing ethnic groups is just not possible. Ethnic groups are defined by language. Nations are defined by political history. The Palestinians have niether.
36. 28# Gabriela
gabriela ben ari   (09.17.07)
Jewishnes is not determined by genes but only by whom your mother is,. Alternatevely if you are a righteous convert and there are no genes there you are still a full jew. If all your ancestors are jewish except for your mother, a person is 100% non-jewish Who cares about the genes and ancestry of people? Ancestry is relevant for -law of return- to the 2nd generation, which is totally irrelevant in terms of being Jewish or not. They'll need full conversion if they want to become part of the Jewish people
37. #35 ROBERT TILDEN: The lost tribe of Palistinian Arabs
abdullah ,   ashkenaz   (09.17.07)
Well #35 is wrong if he believes that there aren't Palestinians who are descendants of am yisroel. But not only Palestinians but also among the 'arab' populations that surround the land of yisroel. One of the tragedies of the divinely decreed exile was the enslavement by the conquerors of large numbers of am yisroel. In some cases, these jewish slave communities would have been denied the right to practice their religion, and to teach their children. And in some cases their children were separated from the parents to ensure this break with tradition – a real tragedy because of our sins. This is clearly stated in the tanakh. So you had generations of people with no idea of their heritage, except G-d. Bottom line, G-d has promised to return every one of his children, even the most assimilated that are totally unaware of their jewish heritage. So regardless of whether or not you and me like it, if some of am yisroel were assimilated into what is today’s Palestinian and Levantine 'arab' populations (and there is a high likelihood), then these children will be returned – it’s a divine promise.
38. Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion, shout, O daughter...
Norway   (09.17.07)
of Jerusalem... behold, thy king cometh unto thee, he is triumphant, and victorious, lowly, and riding upon an ass, even upon a colt the foal of an ass. (The Lost Tribes) Zechariah 9:9 מַלְכֵּךְ יָבוֹא לָךְ, צַדִּיק וְנוֹשָׁע הוּא Moshiach is not called a savior but rather, one who has been saved (VE-NOSHA - צַדִּיק וְנוֹשָׁע). The Hebrew verb in this verse, VE-NOSHA, is grammatically in the passive form. The VE simply means "and". NOSHA is the verb, meaning "one who has been saved". If the verb were active ("savior") the Hebrew would say MOSHIA and it does not. The two Hebrew words Saddiq and nosha, are literally right/righteous (proved to be right) and saved. (Not a Christian style Savior, but just a saved human...) http://azamra.org/Bible/Zechariah%209-10.htm http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2309.htm Therefore, the true future Redeemer be not a man... (or Jesus :) OF FLESH AND BLOOD, BUT GOD ALONE... FOR I AM HASHEM YOUR GOD, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL, YOUR SAVIOR... Fear not, for I am with you, from the East... I WILL BRING YOUR OFFSPRING, and from the West I will GATHER YOU... EVERYONE WHO IS CALLED BY MY NAME... and whom i have created for My glory... I, ONLY I, AM HASHEM, AND THERE is no deliverer aside from Me... Thus said Hashem, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel... I am Hashem, your holy one... THE CREATOR OF ISRAEL, YOUR KING. Isaiah 43 http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1043.htm
39. Having a Jewish heart and Jewish feelings...
Norway   (09.17.07)
or having a Jewish Soul does not make someone Jewish. One has to be Jewish according to Jewish Law. The Jewish definition of A BORN JEW is someone whose mother is Jewish. Abraham and Sarah were both Jewish, because they converted, not because their mothers were Jewish. Abraham was the father of Isaac and Ishmael. Why was not Ishmael Jewish? Was it because his mother Hagar was not Jewish? It was because Ishmael did choose TO NOT SERVE HASHEM. Why was Isaac Jewish? Was it because his mother Sarah was Jewish? ISAAC WAS BORN JEWISH, BUT HE ALSO CHOOSE TO SERVE HASHEM. Isaac took Rebecca, daughter of Bethuel the Aramean, sister of Laban the Aramean, as a wife. Her parents were not Jewish. She was also a convert. Rebecca bore twins, Esau and Jacob. Rebecca was informed by God that she would give birth to two nations, which should be separated, the one nation should be stronger (Esau) than the other nation, (Jacob) (Gen. 25:23), and the elder (Esau, Edom, represented by the future idolators - the Christians) SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER (Jacob – the Jews). Why was Jacob Jewish and Esau was not? THEY HAD THE SAME MOTHER and father... It was because Jacob choose TO SERVE HASHEM, and Esau did choose TO NOT SERVE HASHEM. Why did Hashem choose Jacob and his children, but did not choose Esau? BECAUSE JACOB AND ALL OF HIS CHILDREN SERVED HASHEM, AND ESAU DID NOT SERVE HASHEM. The people called Jews are of a mixed stock, and a part of that mixture is a people called Edomites, a people descended from Esau, The Torah forbids a Jewish man to marry a Gentile woman, but if he does, then his children will not be Jewish. And Esau hated Jacob, because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him. And Esau said in his heart: Let the days of mourning for my father be at hand... then will I slay my brother Jacob. Genesis 27:41 And the words of Esau her elder son were told to Rebecca, and she sent and called Jacob her younger son, and said unto him: Behold, thy brother Esau, as touching thee, doth comfort himself, purposing to kill thee. Genesis 27:42 Now therefore, my son, hearken to my voice and arise, flee thou to Laban my brother to Haran and tarry with him a few days, until thy brother's fury turn away Genesis 27:43-44 Until thy brother's anger turn away from thee, and he forget that which thou hast done to him then I will send, and fetch thee from thence... why should I be bereaved of you both in one day? Genesis 27:45 And Rebecca said to Isaac: I am weary of my life, because of the daughters of Heth. If Jacob take a wife of the daughters of Heth, such as these, of the daughters of the land, what good shall my life do me? Genesis 27:46 How is then Jewishness passed along? You shall not intermarry with them you shall not give your daughter to his son, and you shall not take his daughter for your son, for he will cause your child * *The daughter’s child, - who is a born Jew... to turn away from after Me and they will worship the gods of others. Deut 7:3-4 It is through the lineage of the mother, as the Torah says. Or by choice - because we can all convert if we want to, ACCEPT JUDAISM AND SERVE HASHEM - BY WAY OF THE TORAH. Therefore, if you are Christian or a Messianic, THEN YOU ARE NOT A JEW, even if you have a Jewish mother, because you have chosen TO NOT SERVE HASHEM, but to worship the gods of others.
40. Norway, do you stone homosexuals?
David ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (09.17.07)
By your logic, no one is Jewish by the above reason. Jews do have a different neshamah. Read what Rashi and Rambam say for example. It is very easy to see the difference. All are to keep Torah to their best, but following Rabbi's do not make one Jewish. Only in the redemption will this be corrected.
41. Rivka Is Not Faf Off
Allen ,   New York, USA   (09.18.07)
http://www.britam.org/ Rivka is not far off. Yair Davidy from Yerushalayim at above link shows who the Lost Tribes are. They are NOT Jews but are related. Their exile came much earlier. Yair Davidiy is a scholar and is Frum like I am. Be well!
42. There are NO "Lost tribes".
EGW ,   vancouver canada   (09.18.07)
What people DON'T understand, with all this "LOST TRIBES" crap, is that there were NEVER 10 Lost Tribes. Not even ONE. The people divided into the Kingdoms of Judah and Israel. Many families kept individual lineage records, but over hundreds of years they became hoplessly blurred, except for a select few, like Levites (and Kohanim, who were not a separate tribe, but a Levitical offshoot). And even there, there was "slippage". Simeon and Benjamin amalgamated with Judah, and became "lost" from almost the very beginning, to make the people of, and kingdom of, Judah. In the Assyrian transportations, only the prominent inhabitants were taken, and most did not return, but stayed around Babylon, becoming part of the great Jewish Babylonian population, their individual "tribe" being "lost". But the people themselves were NOT lost. Levi and Joseph had NO tribal area from the beginning. Manasseh and Ephraim were not, strictly speaking "sons of Jacob". So there were REALLY NO "Lost Tribes". None of the "claimants" throughout history have proven to be authentic, not the "Brit-Ish", nor the American Indian, nor even the so-called Tribe of Menashe, from Manipur and Mizoram in India, so beloved of Michael Freund, now "returning" to Israel, in reality, an offshoot of the Oriental SHINLUNG Tribe, with NO GENETIC Jewish trait. I'll stop now, being fed up with this rubbish.
43. More sochnut goyim?
Israel   (09.18.07)
Yuck. Stay lost and take all the sochnut goyim already here,with you.
44.  21. The 10 lost tribes are the Palestinians
michael3k ,   Tel-Aviv, Israel   (09.18.07)
Yes why not!? Many could be of Jewish descent. Over time, such an amalgamation could well occur. After all, the "Palestinians" are about as authentically Arab as an ethnic Japanese pupil in Brazil who is made to learn about his "forefather" Montezuma! Already many speak good Hebrew, which had been the language not only of the Israelites but of all the nations inhabiting the country. Even the Philistines, supposedly the ancestors of today's Palestinians, dropped their foreign tongue in favour of Hebrew very quick.
45. 'Palestinians' are Arabs, not Israelite lost tribes
Jake   (09.18.07)
There is no historical basis for linking the ancient Israelites with the so-called 'Palestinian' Arabs, especially Moslems. Regardless of whether some Arab somewhere has an ancestor that was Jewish and then Arabized and Islamized and absorbed, the fact of the matter is: The 'Palestinians' did not form out of a Jewish CORE, but from Arab fellahin. There are long-settled Arabized Christians who can easily adapt in the Israeli urban environment. But the Arab Moslem identity of the 'Palestinians' is completely resistant to absorption within a Hebraic Jewish milieu. That is the bottom line.
46. #45 Ethnicity Expert
Dave ,   Canada   (09.19.07)
Thanks for your great expertise in ethnicity and religion. You mixed religion, ethnicity and absorption and that shows how much you are confused, hope you don’t suffer these symptoms in other areas of your life. Can you prove to me that a Palestinian who lives in Palestine for thousands of years is less Semitic than for example Sharon who has blue eyes and came from Poland? How many Palestinians were Jewish and they converted to Islam? do you consider them Jewish tribes or since they converted to other religion they are not "Jewish"!. Because of that the idea to mix believe with ethnicity is a very ridiculous idea and didn't work and will not work, unfortunately this ideas makes Zionist classify people to use some to steal the land from other nation and establish racist state by force “Jack”.
47. #46 Dave from Canada - Confused History
Shaka   (09.19.07)
)Arabs that very recently call themselves Palestinians are Arabs. Arabs are decendants of Ishmael son of Abraham. They come from the Arabian Penisula hence they received there name Arab. 2) Jews come from and who derive their name from the area called Judaia which recently the Arabs have named as the West Bank. 3) The only sovereign nation and people that lived in this territory since the time of moses was the Jews. 4) Since the Jews where conquered many outside non-native peoples have controlled the area but non established a sovereign state example: the ottomans ruled the area for 400 years but no country, state. 5) Others conquered and controlled the area before the Ottomans such as the Romans, Greeks and Babylonians . . . in fact it was the Romans that named the area to mock the conquered Jews after their ancient enemies the Philistines vowing to erase the name of Israel from History, even at this point in history the philistines where already extinct and by the way they where a sea bearing people from Europe with no relation to Arabs. 6) For thousands of years since Abraham came to Hebron until today the only constant people that lived in this area always where the Jews in fact Jerusalem has Always been majority Jewish Always. 7) During the Ottoman rule and later during the British Mandate to establish a Jewish Homeland Jews began to build in the Area which was neglected for thousands of years and was deemed uninhabitable, they drained swamps, dug wells, built farms and planted seed. 8) Most Arabs that lived in the Area where nomads (Bedoun) that would past through this nomans land and the population at the time of the British Mandate was sparce. 9) Arabs from surrounding areas began to come for work when the Jews began to invest and build. 10) All of Jordan was also part of the Mandate for a Jewish Homeland until the British decided to Give it to the Arabs just like that. 11) While Arabs had no limits to immigrate to the Area the British began to put Limits on Jews immigrating to the Area. 12) After Hitler Killed over 6 Million Jews the British still would not allow the survivers into the Homeland that was being built and gave their ownership interest to the UN to decide. 13) the UN came up with a plan to split what was left of the original Homeland between the Jews and the Arabs the Jews accepted the Arabs rejected the Plan so the Plan never happened. 14) The Jews declared independance from the British Mandate and named their country Israel. 15) The Arabs from seven surrounding Armies declared that they would finish what Hitler started and kill the rest of the Jews and drive them into the Sea. 16) The Arabs that lived in Israel where summoned by the surrounding Arabs to leave the Area so it could be destroyed by their armies with a promise that they would gain lands after the Jews would be conquered. 17) The Jews survived but the Arabs took Judaea/Samaria (the WestBank) including Jerusalem and Gaza. 18) From 1947 to 1967 the Arabs controlled the "Westbank "and Gaza but never tried to create an independant State of Palestine nor did they improve the area including Jerusalem instead they desecrated Jewish and Christian holy sites and did not allow Jews or Christian to pray at their holy sites. 19) Before the 1960's any Arab would be insulted to be called a Palestinian, in fact before 1947 the only people that used the Palestinian term where Jews such as the Palestinian Agency/which became the Jewish Agency. Only when it became advantageous to be called Palestinian did Arabs that now lived in the Area and those that left the Area begin to call themselves Palestinian.
48. Bollywood Jews are Welcome! Bring your Curry
Grrloz ,   Sydney, Australia   (06.29.08)
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