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Abbas: J'lem key to peace
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Published: 06.10.07, 11:25
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1. Arab Demands
confused ,   elusive peace   (10.06.07)
can anybody explain why this particular global conference is any diffrent that it evokes hope in Bush, Rice, and other confused leaders. Arab DEMANDS have not changed one iota from the original discredited demands which Israel must agree in advance to remove any objections to revesing the Arab positions to prior to 1967 as a start, including Jersulem. this conference can be attended by each and every country in the world but one thing thay will never succeed in is Israel will commit suicide for mere promisses that the Arabs will find any and all excuses why they should not be held responsable for violating their obligations Olmat and Barak together with Livini and others will never be able to agree to such conditions if they want to still remain in power. stop thinking that the USA, EU, UN, NGO's are any smarter the prevvious leaders of over 1400 years that could not bring the Moslem out od the 6th century idiology this conflict can only be resolved the same way that the allies demanded from the Axis powers to end the Seconf World War the vanquished must accept a total unconditional surrender and reliquwished all rights
2. Another BIG LIE
karen US/Australia   (10.06.07)
So if Jerusalem has always been in their hearts how come it was never the capitol of Jordan? How come it's the third (unlike us) holy city? Why is Jerusalem never mentioned in the Koran? Abbas is already putting up roadblocks he knows will never be accepted just to be able to say it's all Israel's fault they don't want peace. Slowly the foundation for the big lie is being set up. Just like calling Israel Palestine they are renaming Jerusalem Al-Quds. Soon they'll be saying that it's alway been Al-Quds and the Jews have no claim or ties and the name Jerusalem is a lie because there never was a city called Jerusalem.
3. Jerusalem
RobertK ,   Jerusalem   (10.06.07)
Jerusalem does not have 5% of the importance in the Muslim tradition as it has in the Jewish tradition. Muslims are in full control of Mecca, Medina, Karbala, Damascus, etc. etc. They don't even allow Jews to enter Mecca. Muslims are very lucky that in Jerusalem under Israeli sovereignty, they can live and pray in freedom, while Jews are subjected to all kinds of restrictions regarding the Temple Mount. It is time to begin to say to "the Palestinians"--yes, say it, have the courage to say it, at last: GO TO HELL.
4. Jerusalem
mark ,   westfield usa   (10.06.07)
Abbas is already laying down maximalist terms. I cannot see any Israeli leader be able to give the Palestinians eastern Jerusalem, letting the "refugees" return to their homes in what is now Israel, a full withdrawal from the west bank, and a land link between the west bank and Gaza. It seems as though nothing will be accomplished unless Israel commits national suicide!
5. We love Jerusalem as much as you do
Feras ,   Ejerusalem Palestine   (10.06.07)
and if Ejerusalem does not become the capital of Palestine there will be no peace in the holy land
6. Does anyone take this nonsense seriously!?
redmiike ,   tel aviv and london   (10.06.07)
Jerusalem is the key Releasing ALL prisoners is the key A passage between Gaza and the WB is the key. The right of return is the key. Returning to the '67 borders is the key. Did I forget any keys? The whole thing is just farcical and perhaps both sides are simply playing to the foreign gallery?! Nothing is going to be happening here and that's for sure ..
7. Abbas and the Islamist-Jihadist Crap
Brod ,   USA   (10.06.07)
If Abbas and the Islamist-JIhadists want to usurp Jerusalem even if it is just an inch, Israel can tell them to go to HELL! Why waste time talking with these dark forces? If they threaten intifada, nip them in the bud decisively and overwhelmingly. These thugs should not be rewarded for their terrorisms and support of Saudi thugs who attacked America on 9/11. Didn't they dance and clap their hands when 3000 Americans were murdered and billions of dollars of assets were destroyed by Saudi thugs on 9/11?
8. with all due respect, Feras
israeli ,   israel   (10.06.07)
why was there no peace when Jerusalem wasn't the capital or anything? There wil be peace when you accept our presence here, and as Golda said, when you start loving your own children more than you hate us. Until then, I agree, there will be no peace.
9. I'm So ashamed of all the so called Leadership of the USA.!!
Roy C. Hudson ,   Pittsburg, USA   (10.06.07)
Since 1950 the compromise of the the Word of the Living God of Abraham, Isaac.& Jacob has set in real Bad, The Blind Guides has now taking the Lead in the Gov.of the USA, all parties has had their hand in the Flip Flop same as Mr.GW & his Daddy, the Vision of Land for Peace shows how far off of the true Word of God they are now.Mr. said; We will track down the terrorist one at a time & take them OUT.lol. I sand: one at a time? Mr. President , You are not tracking them now. you are Leading them.!! The Flip Flopping has put you and the Rice Girl in the Lead. To Think that you would agree to give up any part of Jerusalem to the PLO is a total lack of Gray Matter in your Head. and the heads of the EU,& UK. Zschariah:12;1-9 is going to be all that the Gentile Systems can expect from the Living God when you and yours go to the History Book in 09. It is going to get real Bad, but God said;when i put the Jews back in their Home land, they shall never have to Move out again.& i will seek away to Destroy All that even burden themselves with my Holy City Jerusalem. Sir, That is not Hearsay, Mr. Abbas has Demanded they get Jerusalem or Half of it, Knowing they will blame Israel one more time.and take up the Fight with the GUNS from the Bush & Rice deals with the PLO. I know i am wasting my time saying this that may never bo posted like some in the Jpost. & other webs, if it is posted, read what God put on the Heart of old Zech,Dan, Ezek, & John .. & tell your Preacher he has the wrong Book.!! and is running with the wrong crowd. ok?? Roy C. H.. "USA"
10. No way.Jerusalem has and always will be Israels!
freejay ,   Israel   (10.06.07)
This is ridiculous, we need elections now to get rid of this moron Olmert. Why cant Olmert just say NO WAY...GO TO HELL! Why? because he is working for the Arabs INTERESTS, not IsraelS! ELECTIONS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11. bravo #3
kutuzov ,   new york   (10.06.07)
Well said, my friend, well said. I second that opinion.... so to the "palestinians" i join you in saying...."GO TO HELL"
12. Jerusalem? To Abbas? Realy? :))
izik ,   israel   (10.06.07)
Abbas, stop drinking russian vodka. :)))
13. #9 Roy - you and others who think like you
(10.06.07)
Write to Bush - organize groups and talk to congressmen. Please help!
14. Jerusalem key to peace?
Natan ,   USA   (10.06.07)
Are you kidding me? The key to peace is your willingness to have peace. So don't give me this "...Jerusalem has always been in our hearts..." crap.
15. THE KEYS OF JERUSALEM BELONG...
Franklin ,   France   (10.06.07)
.....TO THEIR JEWISH OWNER No peace, if the Palis refuse this condition. The only town in earth sounding bible, hebrew, and jew ...MEAN ISRAEL FOR EVER. Sharing this truth with the Arab world MEAN SUICIDE. THE KEY TO PEACE IS A FULL RECOGNITION OF ISRAEL AND JERUSALEM CAPITAL OF THE JEWISH STATE. The Palis must built their own capital in their own territory. No condominium, No Time Sharing.
16. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO SKIP THE ADS
Jake T ,   Alaska   (10.06.07)
Please read today's ad by Jerusalem Summit. It has the Fatah constitution and other reminders for those still holding the illusion that this sacrifice by Israel will lead to peace. http://www.jerusalemsummit.org/eng/hamas_and_fatah/hamas_and_fatah_eng.htm http://www.israelipalestinianprocon.org/Leaders/fatahconstitution.html#Goals
17. Remove "Peace" From Our Political Discourse.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (10.06.07)
I think I speak for many in saying that I'm sick of hearing that word. It has lost all meaning or rather, has taken on a whole new meaning. Now it only means "concessions" - it has become a code-word for dismantling our country. Every braying jackass blathers on about peace, blah, blah, blah, ad nauseum. As soon as I hear the word, I know some irresponsible airhead is about to spout some new idiot idea, not a thought to consequences. Now some useless irrelevent nonentity is telling us to give away our capitol city, the religious, cultural, & historic center of our country for "peace" - Well, guess what? I'd rather have war.
18. #6 - you forgot one key...
aa ,   jm   (10.06.07)
the key to peace is that all the jews will dissappear from the world... now let's be serious, Mr. abbas, that is really the only key to YOUR kind of peace. if you really wanted peace, you would toss your guns in the sea instead of the jews... if you really wanted peace, you would defuse your bombs that you strap to your brothers fat bellies... if your really wanted peace, you would stop teaching your children to kill and hate... IF YOU REALLY WANTED PEACE, YOU WOULD HAVE PEACE.
19. muslims pray with their backs to jerusalem...
(10.06.07)
20. The good terrorist
Canadian Otter   (10.06.07)
"While Olmert continued to huddle with Abbas, a Fatah activist issued a public “thank you” to Abbas and his government for their largesse in providing ongoing financial support for the families of terrorists. "Intisar Al-Wazir, known more popularly among PA Arabs as “Um Jihad,” thanked Abbas this week on behalf of the numerous organizations providing financial aid to support imprisoned terrorists, wounded terrorists and the families of dead terrorists." http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123830 How about that? Anybody shocked? Well, at least we should give Abbas some credit for the consistency of his beliefs over the years.
21. Western Democratic governments have
Michael   (10.06.07)
reached,historically, the lowest level of Moral depravity. The mere notion of a Peace conference after all that has occured since oslo;shows at best that leaders only have wishful thinking as their options. The western nations should remember sacrificing chezoslovakia didn't save the world from going to war. Neither will persuading an Israeli Prime Minister to sacrifice his country. History often teaches us different things. One thing I'd like to point out bad policies in the 1930s are bad policies in 2030 or 2130 even today.
22. Jerusalem holy to Muslims ???
charles ,   petach tikva   (10.06.07)
If it is so , why did the king of Saudi Arabia not visit his "holy" site from 1948 untill her liberation in 1967 ? Not once ! and he had certainly enough money to do it . This only proves that Yeroushalaim is not so "holy" for them .
23. Jake #16 Excellent Information-A Must Read by Israelis
Brod ,   USA   (10.06.07)
This is excellent information. In bold print you see the Manifesto and Charter of Hamas and Fatah. They are hellbent on the destruction of Israel. Haven't Olmert and his government read this? How could the Olmert Government not know this and still think that the Islamist-Jihadists can make peace? The fact is the peace of Islamist-Jihadists is totally different from what a Western mind would define peace. The peace of the Islamist-Jihadists is the destruction of Israel. It is time Israelis wake up to reality and stop the train from speeding to Hell. This information is a MUST READ for all Israelis and the Free World. On page 24 of his powerful book, "Islam and Terrorism" [2002], a brilliant Expert on Islamist-Jihadism, Mark A. Gabriel, PhD, quotes Islamist-Jihadist scholar, Omar Abdel Rahman, pointing out that "there is a whole surah [chapter] called 'Spoils of War.' There is no surah called "Peace." Jihad and killing are the head of Islam. If you take them out, you cut off the head of Islam." French Genius and Historian, Alexis de Tocqueville, says "I have studied the Quran a great deal. I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammad. So far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself." (Source: p. 25, "The Politically Guide to Islam" [2005] by Robert Pointer). On page 41 of his powerful book, "Why I Left Jihad" [2005] by Ex-Muslim Terrorist, Walid Shoebat, warns, "Israel must never relinquish the land...The danger is that once the Palestinians' state is in place, they will continue killing Jews. Israel needs to wake up and smell the hummus...Israel must stand strong and fight--dismantle Hamas and take away all the weapons, the way it used to be. The introduction of weapons into Palestinian society by Israel under the Oslo agreement, when Israel gave assault rifles to Arafat's "Police force," has been a disaster. Those weapons must be confiscated...Some people believe that moderate Islam can flourish as a peaceful force, a catalyst for change that allows Islam and Western society to coexist successfully. The problem with this idea is that Islam is not simply a religion. Islam is a system of government. How do you untangle the two? How do you take away Khilafa and jihad and still call it Islam? This is why I call jihadists "Nazis with a religious twist." Can Islam be reformed? Reform was successful in the Christian church, but the success came as a result to adhering to the Biblical text and not doing it away, and of challenging the institutions that abused their authority. The opposite is true when it comes to Islam. Adhering to the text means acting out violence and hate. Peace starts when we make it illegal to follow the text and ultimately de-fang Islamism and jihad and their government, just as we did to the Islamic Ottoman Empire, which the Islamists are trying right now to revive." Mark A. Gabriel points out on p. 37 of his book, that "Jihad is carried out in order to achieve the ultimate goal of Islam--to establish Islamic authority over the whole world. Islam is not just a religion; it is a government, too. That is why it always gets down to politics. Islam teaches that Allah is the only authority; therefore, political systems must be based on Allah's teaching and nothing else." It is time Israelis and the whole Free World wake up to this reality and not be fooled, deceived, misled and manipulated by the dark forces of the world.
24. Either Arabs are flexible or there will be no deal
Sam ,   Canada   (10.07.07)
The reality is that most Israelis (they are the ones who do the actual fighting and dieing) would like an acceptable peace. The Arabs would like to pray in Jerusalem unhindered but all-in-all, they are demanding too much. I don't think they can expect to get more than the Arab neighbourhoods of Jerusalem and work out an arrangement for the Al Aqsa - Kotel area. If they refuse, Israel will know it tried and the people can face the future united.
25. You can visit Jerusalem whenever you like
Micha   (10.07.07)
but it will never be an arab capital's state. That's the reslution for peace. If you disagree, and insist on fighting AGAIN for it, then so be it. It was never the capital of an arab state. It was part of the mandated territory known as Jordan, but Jordan decided to war against us, so now we have it. End of story. We are not rewriting history. The rightful owners have Jerusalem and this is who shall have it for the rest of eternity. Challenge us. We'll show you the way to hell.
26. Peace when there is NO Peace
Christy ,   Boston, US   (10.07.07)
Jeremiah 6:14- " ...'Peace, peace,' they say, when there is no peace. " Palis talk a lot about peace, but there is no peace to be had from them. Their leaders are corrupt and care only for themselves. All the money that has been donated to help the Pali. people seems to never reach the ordinary 'man-in-the-street'. The Palis. leaders treat their own people like dirt & deny them peace. Why does any rational person think the Pali. leaders will ever make peace with Israel? The Pali. leaders will only be at peace with Israel when Jews are marched into the sea & ALL ISRAEL is under Pali. control. We've all seen how well Palis. leaders do when they control a piece of land!!
27. do NOT legitimize illigitimate islamofascist claim to it
jack bauer ,   AU   (10.07.07)
28. WHATS A PALISTIANIAN, IS THAT JORDAN?
..............DACON9   (10.07.07)
RABIN GAVE LAND AWAY........... SHARON GAVE LAND AWAY............ OLMERT WILL GIVE LAND AWAY....... WONDER WHAT HASHEM HAS IN MIND FOR HIM.............
29. Abbas, Go to Hell
R. Alkalai ,   USA   (10.07.07)
Jerusalem, and all of Israel belongs to the Jews. Don't like it? Then leave. And , take that garish, vulgar looking, gold domed house of HaSatan with you.
30. Loser Demands
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (10.07.07)
In 1967, the Arabs attacked Israel and lost. For the last 40 years, they have acted like the victors making demands of concession while Israel has played capitulating losers. No. It is Israel who must make the demands of the Arabs for compromise and peace, and set straight the record that Jerusalem is now in Jewish hands and not negotiable.
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