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Palestinian workers smuggled in decoy 'police cars'
Sharon Roffe-Ophir
Published: 23.10.07, 11:50
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1. what are these soldiers on?
questioner   (10.23.07)
2. their legal right
sameer ,   jerusalem   (10.23.07)
These workers are going on their occupied land,
3. What conclusion to draw from this example?
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (10.23.07)
If you really think about this latest security breach, you will understand only that we are vulnerable as long as there is a large civilian Arab population within our borders, including the West Bank & Jerusalem. When the next intifada erupts, as it surely will, our policy should be the transfer of all Arabs to Jordan. Will this bring peace? No, it will bring security. Personally, I'll settle for security.
4. What conclusion to draw from this example?
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (10.23.07)
If you really think about this latest security breach, you will understand only that we are vulnerable as long as there is a large civilian Arab population within our borders, including the West Bank & Jerusalem. When the next intifada erupts, as it surely will, our policy should be the transfer of all Arabs to Jordan. Will this bring peace? No, it will bring security. Personally, I'll settle for security.
5. THEY NEED THE WORK... THEY NEED TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES
stude ham   (10.23.07)
Let's not go ballisitc over these incidents. They're the products of desperation. Even though these people are hostile to us we cannot abandon all compassion to their desperate needs.
6. Should all vehicles police have red plates?
Josh   (10.23.07)
In the US they have a problem with fake police officers. Most police vehicles, except under cover ones have special plates. I noticed this the other day that a marked Israeli police vehicle had yellow plates. Why would a state vehicle have non-state plates? Did I see a fake police car with someone pretending to be a police officer?
7. #5 Well ...ummmm...
Josh   (10.23.07)
...I think I can leave them to their own devices. Why should we care? They can all slip back over the border the same way they came in and work in Egypt. I also understand we buy produce from them. ..and let them learn to stop over populating their country. Saw a man the other day on ynet that had 67 children. Of course they have too many workers and nothing to do except babysit. Should we hold the hand of one who wants to exterminate us?
8. #3
Richard ,   London UK   (10.23.07)
'transfer of all Arabs to Jordan' Otherwise known as 'ethnic cleansing' Would you recommend using cattle trains?
9. If they're so worried about illegals, seal the fence
Jeremiah ,   Israel's Jewish Land   (10.23.07)
at Kiryat Sefer. Everyday you can watch arabs going in and out of holes they've made in the separation fence. Then again if they were serious about fixing the problem who would build all of the new homes in Modi'in, Hashmonaim, and Kiryat Sefer and who would work in their grocery stores and pump their gas? Jews? Just like in America it money before principals.
10. #1 - Shut your pie hole!
Talula ,   Israel   (10.23.07)
11. get them out of here anyway ((5)
haim ,   mtl canada   (10.23.07)
we dont need them in israel
12. #3: you're overly optimisitic but sadly unaware..
abdullah ,   askenazi   (10.23.07)
of the full picture. If you think that (attempting to) transfer the remaining palistinians from their homes would give 'security'. The word 'security' implies durability. A 'desireable' state that cannot be maintained isn't secure...
13. Its ironic how these same people want to destroy Israel
Mike ,   Israel   (10.23.07)
Hand out sweets when an Israeli kid is mudered. But when these realize that they need to feed there families they turn to Israel. Israel is not responsible to feed and provide work for the same people that send rockets on a daily basis to the very part they want to work in. I'm sure Jordan has work, but gues what they dont want you, Eygept has work and hey they dont want you. So my question to you is why turn to the country you hate so much for help and when your turned down you call us animals?
14. #11
Richard ,   London UK   (10.23.07)
you wrote: get them out of here anyway we dont (sic)need them in Israel Can't you see that your attitude is as nasty and hateful as any ignorant right-wing bigot's? apart from the double standard (if I were to write 'get jews out of London we don't need them' - what kind of response would that illicit?) but you fail to remember that Palestinians were living in Palestine for hundreds of years before the modern state of israel. Why should they leave? Why do you hate them so much?
15. IDF asleep, again.
dante ,   uk   (10.23.07)
16. ..and what if there were 20 terros or big Carbomb inside?
Alan ,   SA   (10.23.07)
17. when they become nonviolent, we will welcome them with roses
john lennon ,   jm   (10.23.07)
18. Richard
Dara ,   Israel   (10.23.07)
Your ignorance is astounding. Had the Jewish people in London blown themselves up, elected a terrorist governement, kidnapped soldiers and threaten to distory YOUR very existancev why shouldn't you want to get rid of us? According to you we should roll out the red carpet for them eh? We wouldn't want to put our safety ahead of political correctness would we? Perhaps you should learn about what's going here before you post rediculous talk backs.
19. LIKE MEXICAN WORKERS
Petra ,   usa   (10.23.07)
SEND THEM PACKING BACK TO THEIR HELL HOLES. THEY HATE ISRAEL SO MUCH, LET THEM FIND WORK IN THE PALS AREAS.
20. i dont hate them but i will defend israel at any price
haim to 14 ,   MTL CANADA   (10.23.07)
AND FOR U TO COMPARE JEWS IN ENGLAND TO THE SCUM OF THIS EARTH. JEWS WERE A PLUS FOR U AND UR COUNTRY SHOWS WHT KIND OF A BIGOT UR SHALOM
21. #18
Richard ,   London UK   (10.23.07)
Ok so answer me this. Was there such a thing as Hamas or Islamic Jihad before 1946? If not why not? You say that the Palestinians want to destroy your very existence but surely it is the Palestinians who are being wiped out. They have been imprisoned behind a giant concrete wall and are denied freedom of movement. Palestinians die in larger numbers than Israelis and Palestinians are routinely subjected to bulldosing, army incursions, air to surface missle strikes and god knows what other humiliations. Just this weekend a newspaper in England published testimonies by IDF soldiers of indescriminate beatings, murders and abuses on Palestinian civilians. When the IRA were planting bombs in English pubs no one (other than the deranged proto Nazis) demanded that all Irish should be shipped out of England. We were mature enough and humane enough to realise that collectivelly punishing a whole people is plain wrong
22. #14 Richard in Londonstan.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (10.23.07)
You posed a few questions, so here are a few answers. First, speaking only for myself, I don't hate anyone. In my daily life, I try to judge people as individuals with no distinction. Coming from an Arab country, I have many close Arab friends & I am very comfortable with many aspects of Arab culture. However, in our circumstances, the reality is that this is a hostile enemy population. I'm really sorry that's how the situation has developed but I'm not an idiot to believe in abstract utopian principles above the security of my country. As it happens, I'm a very security-minded person. I have an aversion to being blown up or seeing any of my countrymen blown up. And this being the case, I have no problem recommending the transfer of what I consider a security risk. Please note that I am not even making a judgement as to who is right in our dispute. From a security perspective, it doesn't even matter. Second, you say that if you said this about Jews in London it would be racist. Indeed it would be. As far as I know, Jews are hardly a security risk. It is not Jews who blew up buses & the underground, nor had plans to blow up planes, nor any of the other charming customs of multi-cultural London. We only contribute to British society not try to blow it up. Generally speaking, and I say this only as an opinion & not as scientifically established fact, the vast majority of Israelis do not hate the Arabs. True, we are not comfortable having them around, equally true, we do not trust them, & also true, they are seen as a problem. But, it is equally true that they do hate us & have less than honourable intentions towards us.
23. #20
Richard ,   London UK   (10.23.07)
Yes, quite. But you forget that Palestinians were living in Palestine long before modern Israel. So why should they leave? The comparison I was making was in the sentiment. If I was to write 'get all jews out . . . .' it is just as bad as writing 'get all Palestinians out . . . . ' But evidently it isn't because Palestinians are 'The Scum of the Earth' according to you. Doesn't that make you a bigot also?
24. It is positively brillant ....!
Hiram ,   Paris   (10.23.07)
Once again, let's draw lesson from History . Goebbels use to say the bigger the lie , the better people will believe ! Good example here . It is a bright idea . How many times have I seen "security vans" manned by Israeli agents getting cleared through the traffic with no-one even running any kind of check on them ! The Palestinian are all....but stupid. They have drawn upon their observation of our system. Pretty soon, you will find Palestinian in disguise as Orthodoxim, driving a derelict car from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv and .......! More seriously , let's admit it : it was brillant . We failed at checking, suspecting, being careful Why ? We are getting drawn into routine.....and routine does not go very well with tense security situations !
25. ##22
Richard ,   London UK   (10.23.07)
Ok well written and can't argue with what you say. But why do you betray these 'moderate' sentiments with such draconian opinions about expelling people etc. Also your ignorance and immoderate nature is further betrayed by your calling London Londonstan. Apart from all the obvious points such as London is the biggest city in Europe and has an economy larger than Australia's (and Israels for that matter) it is the Financial centre of world and is home to more cultures and faiths than probably any other city in the world, you miss the micro. The part of London I live in has the biggest jewish population outside of Israel and New York. Indeed, I live in an eruv. Perhaps you should call it Jew Town rather than Londonstan. We tolerate each other here and don't call for people (including the Irish - see my other TB) to be 'transferred'
26. Richard your a funny guy ask the Irish what
Mike ,   Israel   (10.23.07)
they think of your "human treatment" in Ireland. What would your PM do if say Scotland or France would send daily dose of missles towards your population, i dont think you would invite them for tea, you would humanly question arest make daily incursions, humanly detain and yes humanly build a concrete wall so humans on your side of the wall can live in peace. That is humanty like it or not.
27. #26
Richard ,   London UK   (10.23.07)
er, Britain did not build a wall around republican areas of N Ireland. Nor did Britain bulldose Irish houses. Nor did Britain deny the Irish the right to travel or move between the south and north. Nor did Britain establish Protestant only roads. Nor did Britain build Protestant only settlements in Eire. Nor did Britain fire missiles from fighter planes into built up areas. Nor did Britain restrict supply of water to Republican areas. Nor did Britain kill foreign journalists. It goes on and on really. Come to think of it Spain hasn't done to the Basques what Israel has done to the Palestinians. Even the horrid Apartheid regime in S. Africa balked at collectively punishing all the blacks. 'Humanley Build a concrete wall. ' That's an interesting concept. Why does Israel have to 'grab' Palestinian land and isolate Palestinian villages if the wall is humane?
28. #25 Richard - You're still in Londonstan.
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (10.23.07)
And while I would never deny the good points you mention about your lovely city (& I'm not being sarcastic), your experiment in multi-culturalism has failed with one particular group. And I'm not talking about Eskimos. And, as it happens, it is the same group that we have problems with. It is also the same group that Paris has problems with. And the same group that Amsterdam has problems with (they are burning cars as we speak). As a matter of fact, it is the same group that the whole world has problems with. Simple common sense will tell you that this cannot be a coincidence. There is obviously something amiss. You wonder why I am seemingly moderate but have draconian solutions. Well, I am not moderate in defense of my country nor am I moderate in my opposition to any ideology that threatens all the freedoms that liberal democracy stands for. No one should tolerate totalitarianism, even disguised as religion. I make no apology - I absolutely do not believe in moral relativism or moral equivalency. As for my "draconian" solutions, I'm a practical person & believe that if you do a job, do it right. In all probability, we are headed in that direction anyway, not out of choice but of necessity. In business, we often said that necessity makes it's own rules. Do you understand?
29. #5 They need the work?
Raphael ,   Netanya   (10.23.07)
There is plenty of employment in the oil kingdoms, which Jews are barred from. There are powerful arab colonies in latin America (including the wealthiest man in the world, Carlos Slim), eager to greet their brothers from homeland. So why looking for jobs in the "apartheid racist usurpator" entity?
30. #27 fake symetry
Raphael ,   Netanya   (10.23.07)
You forgot the most important comparison: how did arab countries cope with th jewish problem?
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