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Court orders Google to expose anonymous Israeli blogger    Ynet
1. polite?
A rude Israeli? Who would have thought?
now ,   here   (11.27.07)
2. Big Brother!!!!
dovid ,   modiin   (11.27.07)
3. #1 A rude Ameican, A rude European, A Rude Arab
Who would have thought? LOL You are all the same Fools LOL
(11.27.07)
4. whot was posted that offended Haim Bluemenfeld.?
maybe it was a thruth and he didnt like it? what was there? tell us
God ,   USA,Israel   (11.27.07)
5. Outrageous!!!
Yet another assault on freedom of speech stemming from poor legal culture of the Israeli courts. How could they possible claim that blogger's posting is a libel before the court rules so?
Gary Bentham ,   NYC, US   (11.27.07)
6. Ruling makes no sense
Google has an IP address but is unlikely to have the e-mail or regular address for the person, especially if they posted from a shared address. Then to require them to come public and attend the hearing or to file a counter suite is the same as asking that the name be published without waring.
Eric ,   Tel Aviv   (11.27.07)
7. It's his own private blog. Whose business is it?
who cares what he writes? Chareidim and Rabbis should sue Ynet, Haaretz and other media for slandering too.
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (11.27.07)
8. It's a private blog and he's allowed to write
whatever he wants. What's anyone's business? And if he gets sued for slander then Ynet and others who write or talk against chareidim or Rabbis should get sued for slander too?
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (11.27.07)
9. Agree with most talkbacks
this court ruling is really scary for free speech. message boards and blogs are just that- mostly VENTING if anything. heck, will someone gat a court order here for one of these TALKBACKS we write? where do you draw the line. FREE speech or not- there cant be something in between.
US ,   US   (11.28.07)
10. This has huge implications for the "anonymous"
talkback and bloggers around the globe. Is nothing sacred anymore!
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11. SICK!
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12. Opinion vs. Slander
It's disturbing that someone could post on a blog and be liable for slander. People say nasty things about other people/groups/countries all the time. I treat someone's ravings about a person/group/country, etc. as just background noise, unless there's proof to back up the ravings. I would never base my own opinion on something I read on a blog. What if the person really believed what they wrote, isn't that considered to be their opinion? Isn't sharing opinions legal? When does opinion become slander? Does it have to do with the intent of the poster?
Christy ,   Boston, US   (11.28.07)
13. Slander is NOT Free Speech & Without ANY Redeeming Value
Free speech doesn't include any "right" to yell "Fire!" or "Bomb!" in a crowded theater, to incite violence or any other illegal activity; and slander is illegal and a malignant cancer infecting many modern democratic societies. Slander is well-defined by the courts, it is NOT part of free speech protected by any constitution or law, diverts attention from legitimate issues, sidetracks progress in every issue in which it is admitted, is totally destructive and adds NOTHING to public discourse. I have been a victim of numerous hate-mongering slanderers for decades, whose only arguments are to slander the messenger with vile and blatant lies. It is way overdue that victims of slander be able to obtain remedy against slanderers. For some time, I have been working with an attorney trying to identify "Charles in Petah Tikva" and "Andy in Ramat haSharon" to prosecute a suit against each of them for slander. When confined to truth, only slanderers are muted and there is no right of free slander. The public deserves truth. Slanderers deserve what they're getting. The only ones mouthing-off against slander suits are the slanderers who hide behind anonymity, afraid to identify themselves and stand behind their words. Those with the courage to identify themselves and the sense of personal responsibility to stand behind their words, struggle to make their point within the bounds of truth and honesty deserve to be respected – and protected from the brazen lies of anonymous slanderers who offer nothing but cheap decadence that is 100% detrimental to public discourse with NO redeeming value. There is no more right to irresponsibly "vent" publicly against a victim than there is to attack that victim physically. In fact, the rabbis equate slander to murder because slander is the killing of the PERSON as perceived by society (i.e., his or her reputation). Ynet should see the importance of taking the initiative to require all talkbackers to properly identify themselves. Women and individuals in countries where they might actually be persecuted (rather than FEAR of imagined persecution in a democratic country) could easily be obscured by Ynet. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
Paqid 16 Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (11.28.07)
14. To: Mr P. Yirmeyahu
It is not that I disagree with you. My problem with freedom of speech violation is as follows: The article states that The decision was made after the municipal council of Sha'arei Tikva demanded Google disclose the anonymous blogger's personal information, claiming the blogger posted libelous entries about Council Member Haim Bluemenfeld. Council members demanded that the identity of blogger be revealed so they could file a libel suit for the sum of $75,000 against him. Council is NOT a court!!! Council has no right to any demands like this. First, it is the court and the court only that has legal authority to rule that specific statement is a slander just on its merits. Second, when a blog posting is recognized as a slander, the court may issue a subpoena naming Google as one of the perpetrators aiding and abetting the blogger. Third, Google's agreement with its bloggers contains indemnification clause waiving any legal action against Google.
Gary ,   NYC, US   (11.28.07)
15. Then ovadia Yosef and Eli Yishai should be sued
if this is the case then Ovadia Yosef and Eli Yishai should get a life sentance for the hatred and wicked statements they come out with on a weekly basis.
Simon ,   TA Israel   (11.28.07)
16. 14 Gary: Points 1&2 Granted. Point 3 Seems in error.
Good points, It was my expectation that the council would next press the matter in court. I'm not a lawyer but even my business law courses in college lead me to think that no agreement between Google and their blogger(s) can, in any way, affect the rights of a third-party victim to prosecute against both. The Google agreement only constrains the blogger not to prosecute against Google and may even make the blogger liable to Google for its damages to the victim as well as liable to the victim. In other words, if the council is successful in in obtaining an award of $75,000 from the blogger and $75,000 from Google, then Google might go to court and collect their $75,000 loss from their blogger, costing the blogger a total of $150,000. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu Israeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
Paqid 16 Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (11.28.07)
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