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Rightist initiative: Picking flag and anthem for settler state
Efrat Weiss
Published: 06.12.07, 12:59
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1. Perfect Solution
Simon ,   TA Israel   (12.06.07)
Good idea, let all those religious fanatics set up their own state based on Halacha, they can form their own army, fight their own battles, pay taxes , draw state benefits from their own accounts. Please take Shas with you, enjoy have a nice life, and dont bother the rest of us .
2. call it 'Land of Israel'
dima   (12.06.07)
3. Good riddance
Michael ,   Haifa   (12.06.07)
...and may we never see or hear of them again
4. REPEATING HISTORY
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (12.06.07)
Again we fall apart in the state of Judea and Israel. Again this is a battle between hellenist jews and jews that live according to the torah. Even in this article Ynet proves their hellenist anti jewish attitude by keeping referring to the the name westbank. With a government, a justice system and a media so outspoken anti religious jewish in support of a global pagan system, this is a logical expected turn of events. It is time for our hellenists to understand that they do NOT represent the jewish people in any way or form. Even with their power of police ,courts, media and other institutions they will not sucseed in wiping out our jewish roots and lifestyle. They will arrest,indict and so on,but they will not silence us. Even if Ynet will incite more anti religious sentiment we will not stop nor surrender. We outlived the greeks,the romans and many others that thought they could destroy us. We will outlive our hellenist herzelists that have been pushing their agenda for the past 100 years.
5. to simon #1
Jeff ,   Tel Aviv   (12.06.07)
Not such a good idea Simon. Because if all your "relgious fanatics" left the country, the country would fall apart very rapidly.
6. numb 1 - why should they take Shas? Shas belongs to the LEFT
Moshe ,   Beit Shemesh   (12.06.07)
they are the whores of the LEFT - they supported Oslo when the LEFT needed 61 bought votes. They supported Shimon Peres the PRINCE of the left for $$$. You they don't go the army either JUST LIKE THE LEFT. they are corrupt like the Kadima Krooks and Binyamin Ben Elizer of Labor. you keep 'em and while your at it, you keep UTJ - the OTHER whores who took 290 million NIS for Gush Katif expulsion. I am sure the kids in Sderrot must LOVE the clowns from UTJ
7. In response to Simple Simon........
Danny ,   Tel Aviv   (12.06.07)
'don't bother the rest of us', who exactly do you represent - the secular masses of Israel who have no moral fibre, more interested in the dollar than dignity and cannot see the arab end game when it's stuck under their noses. Simon, you and your gay pride chums should keep supporting the likes of Beilin, Sarid and your new leading light Olmert....A reminder, Israel was establised as a Jewish State and therefore Jewish tradition and heritage should remain paramount .
8. Response to Dumb Danny
Simon ,   TA Israel   (12.06.07)
Dear oh dear, exactly how do you presume i support Olmert and Kadima? Or do you just like to catagorise everyone. So why are you in Tel Aviv the secular capital surrounded by the gay popluation ? Shouldnt you be with your brothers in the occupied Palestine? Ummm strange that one! You would be the perfect candidate to go and live in the west bank in your new fanatical state. FYI israel is a jewish state that recognises all jews not just the fanatical settlers.
9. JEFF # 5
ERIK ,   CZECH REP.   (12.06.07)
PLEASE,EXPLAIN WHY WOULD THE COUNTRY FALL APART?
10. I'm secular and I support Judea
Gidi ,   Jerusalem   (12.06.07)
Gandi (Zeevi) was secular too. It's not a religious thing, it's those that have moral fiber in them and care for their homeland.
11. There is an easier solution
yoni ,   ashkelon   (12.06.07)
Next time... GO to election ! And you will have a strong government that DO represent the jewish people ! Perhaps now Israelian people learned why it is so important to go to election and to prevent such government from being elected by, in fact, a minority of people !! Stop to complain about the leftist who "rule the state". Start to take part to the state too and in few years the leftist will complain that the rightist are ruling the state!!! Do they really want to repeat the same mistakes done few thousand years before! I am sorry but this kind of idea is only helping Peace Now.
12. what is israel without jerusalem and hebron? uganda.
T. Herzl ,   Switzerland   (12.06.07)
13. 3,00 years ago King David united Judea and Israel
Petra ,   usa   (12.06.07)
Now, Olmert and Gov. want to give it to muslims? Madness. If not for the Rabbis and their zeal, who would defend Israel? I'm afraid Israel wont exist if Olmert and gang have their way and give away Israel precious heritage. The facts on the ground would suggest that these Rabbis are right, no matter how religious you may or may not be. We see Gaza as a rocket launching pad with daily attacks on Israel. That would never be permitted in any other national state. Whatevers going on, this must end or it will be the demise of many Israelis who've already given their lives for the state of Israel. Shall these lives have been lost in vain? May the G-d of Israel watch over and protect Israel, no one else is, tragically.
14. MACCABEE COUNTRY
ROLAND SEENER ,   LONDON ENGLAND   (12.06.07)
THE TIMING IS RIGHT AT THE FESTIVAL OF CHANUKAH TO RE-DEDICATE OUR COMMITMENTS TO HASHEM,THERE ARE A LOT OF MACCABEES NOT ONLY IN GAZA,JUDEA,AND SAMARIA,AND...ALL OVER THE REST OF THE LAND OF ISRAEL.I AM VERY SYMPATHETIC FOR YOUR AIMS AND WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR ME TO APPLY FOR A NEW PASSPORT TO YOUR COUNTRY IF I SHOULD DECIDE THAT I WANT TO BECOME A BECOME A CITIZEN AND JOIN ALL THE OTHER MACCABEES
15. Don't allow the IDF to take your weapons away
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (12.06.07)
as they did in Gush Katif before the expulsion http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/124487
16. reason
es ,   australia   (12.06.07)
the reason israel would fall apart is because someone near to the majority of the idf is religous, and for sure in the elite units the majority are. also, who would there be to protest against the government giving away any more land if the religous werent there... they would give away everything if there wasnt anyone to stop them and in general the religous of israel make israel what it is, gives it its unique flavour and atmosphere.
17. Who praytell will defend this so-called country:
Mike ,   Israel   (12.06.07)
Israel should and will deal with this group just like any other terror group, just another days work.
18. OLMERT WILL NEVER MAKE A'POLIS WORK...
stude ham   (12.06.07)
Olmert is politically dead and if he pushes any deal with the corrupt arab hegemonies... will only ensure massive rebellions among the Jewish people.... the world over. Olmert has no hope of making this a'polis deal work. anyone remember OSLO? ps.... the religious freaks in this story have even less hope of surviving in their little west bank enclaves... should the olmertians actually succeed in pulling israel out of there.
19. Yesh!! at least we'll not have to defend those LOCO'S again
Golanchik ,   Tel Aviv   (12.06.07)
LEt them lishmur al aztmam...
20. sounds good. we wont to pay billions for the meshihstim
Nadav   (12.06.07)
anymore
21. Never- Israel Is Ours Too
Yishai Kohen ,   YeShA, Israel   (12.06.07)
You won't give it away from under our feet. Like it or not, ALL of this land is ours and ALL of the Jews are one nation.
22. Establishing a new State in Yesha
Chaim Brandwein ,   Modiin, Israel   (12.06.07)
We tried that once a few thousand years ago. The Judah/Israel solution only led to disaster then and may very well lead to disaster today. Another solution must be found, but two states of Israel is not the answer.
23. This has nothing to do with being secualr or religious
freejay3 ,   Israel   (12.06.07)
It is to do with stopping our greedy disgusting government from giving away our land to the enemies. I am secular and totally support this plan, as long as those traitors, Shas, is not involved!
24. as a religious jew: don't divide the people even more!
uli ,   jerusalem   (12.06.07)
Judaism is union of RELIGION and PEOPLE. Yes, the most jews do not live according to the jewish law and many are even opposed it, but we should take a big breath and reconsider: we should not divide the state people again in two states. our enemies will first destroy the one and then the other. We should keep together (and in war seculars and religious jews will stand together!) and should try to shift israels position on the settlements. we have a good argument after the gaza catasthrophe and even many seculars are against giving up judea and samaria. and: We religious jews are growing faster than secular ones. we will have the majoriy not so far and can then annex judea and samaria.
25. #1,3,17,18 Perfect Two State Solution FOR YOU
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (12.06.07)
People like you, Simon TA, Michael Haifa, Mike, Stude, Olmert, Peres, Barak, and other self-hating Jewish Leftists should make your own state in Uganda. Your godfather, Theodore Herzel's, proposal will finally go into effect. You, self-hating Liberal Jews have no business living in a Jewish country you don't appreciate and have no feeling for. Eretz Yisrael is a holy country given to the Jews and should be treated with respect and holiness the way G-d wanted it.
26. Will the Golan be the third Jewish State?
Judah ,   Golan Heights,ISRAEL   (12.06.07)
Have the Jews not learned anything from our history? We must stay together and stay strong. Remember that there are less than 6,000,000 Israeli Jews yet we are surrounded by hundreds of millions of Arabs. Bush and OImert will not be around much longer. Hopefully the next leaders will be an improvement
27. #25 JOSEPH
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (12.06.07)
I second that Joseph you make your namesake proud, absolutly to the point and correct.
28. I'm secular, but wish them luck and G-d's blessings...
Nannette ,   London   (12.06.07)
At least they'll survive when the rest of Israel is handed over to the Palestinians. They're true Jewish patriots, who love G-d, in the same vein of the Macabbees, the Hasmoneans, the Battalion of Devorah, etc... The MAJORITY of Jews in the diaspora will help them financially and give moral support. The left wing, pro-terrorists, can take a running jump.
29. Rabbi Volpe is a very smart fellow
Norman   (12.06.07)
He gets attention and free press in very unique ways. He gets people to think about the destructiveness of Gush Katif especially the soldiers, thus making many solders promise to themselfs never to repeat the mistake of Gush Katif. The schemes that wicked and corrupt olmert want to carry out is 100x times worse then what occured in Gush Katif.
30. Reply to Joseph# 25 enjoy your new state
Simon ,   TA Israel   (12.06.07)
Whats your problem now? As far as i am concerned you can have your own state in the occupied west bank, call it what you will, form your own army , live according to Halacha, live off your own state benefits. No more secular people, you can be with your own kind now, Its what you always wanted Joseph. and they all lived happily ever after.
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