They seem lately to have such a strange agenda, and with friends like them who needs enemies. May God save us from wacko lefties who can't read the writing on the wall and don't know the God of Israel.

until the Trojans themselves started tearing down the walls with their own hands. The Trojan horse is already in (Arafat, Abu-Mazen, PA, Hamas, we give them weapons and bullets and armored vehicles, and we let their terrorists go free). All we have left is our walls.

A man who was brought up on charges of sexual harrassment is dictating Israeli policy??? How absurd!!

Please someone convince the Israeli government and people, that you don't need the so called US support, they are selling you out for oil. They are supplying Fatah with weapons, which in turn will directly or indirectly (through Hamas) be used against you. I'm afraid Israel stands alone in the world arena, thankfully though, the Almighty G-d of the Universe is her saviour and protector, and the sooner the Israeli population and Jews around the world realise that the better. Israel will never be removed from the map, because the Holy Word of G-d proclaims this. Our Messiah will reign from God's capital city Jerusalem. And His arrival is imminent. G-d have mercy on the rest of the world as He punishes them for treating his chosen people so badly. My love and support for Israel and the Jewish people is eternal, my prayer is that you'd vote for God fearing politicains. Shalom and Baruch ata Adonai.

He should not open his mouth.

The "where" of these parts is being kept from you both by Israeli and American politicians and the media. Did you know the Arab neighborhoods include part of the Old City? Do you know that the "Arab neighborhood" of "Silwan" is the earlier Yemenite Jewish neighborhood of K'far Shiloakh -- on the slope of the City of David? Do you know how close a-Suwaneh, Wadi al-Jawz, a-Tur, Ras al-Amud and Abu-Tor are to the Old City, which Arabs are promoting to grab the Old City and make these neighborhoods their capital? If you don't know where these Arab neighborhoods are located in Yerushalayim click on the Arabic-Islamic banner, "Threat to Yerushalayim (Arabic 'al Quds')", in the Convention Center of our website (URL below). PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu IIsraeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il

very disappointing statement of this man. is Israel an annex of USA or is it an own state with responsible persons to do the best for it?

They want it ALL. No negotiation!! ALL of it. So we can offer them their parts and they'll throw it in our faces with their bombs - only they'll be closer to do so. Sorry - dont offer them the platform.

Ramon's position would horrify Israel's founders. It is that Israel is a dhimmi state with the masters not the Muslims but whatever U.S. administration happens to be in office. The whole point of Israel was that it would be run by and for Jews and a refuge for Jewish victims. Under Ramon's doctrine, its position is now analogous to the that of the Jewish population under the mandate. And for Mr Ramon's information, the majority of Americans support Jewish sovereignty over all Jerusalem.

Okay, okay, I've read enough about this small aspect of the dispute between the Palis and Israel. The only answer is a remedy that will in fact, bring peace. If peace is a mirage, as some believe, then ceding any part of the occupied territories is fruitless, and Gaza should be the best example. Bush thinks 2 states is the answer. Maybe? If deeds and not words are looked at, the Palis have shown nothing positive. Demographis may decide this issue..the fewer Arabs the better under Israeli sovereignty. This would be my approach if I were P.M. Remember Jeru was to be an international city. (Accepted at the time). Personally, Jordan should be Palestinian..but that too would created problems on Israel's eastern border, like Hezbollah in the north, but much more powerful and dangerous. Hussein is keeping the Palis in check, as we know. Soooo, might be better off just doing nothing, and let events dictate what happens?

Listen here. Jerusalem does not belong to either the Arabs nor to the US. IThe united Jerusalem is the eternal capital of Israel despite what Condi tells you. For years now the American congress has voted to move the Americna Embassy to Jerusalem where it belongs. Each president has promsed to do so. And then conveniently reports it is too dangerous. What makes Jerusalem more dangerous than any other place? Only the State Department and president''s allegience to the Saudis and their oil stops the move. Time to ask the US---Are you for us or against us . Unfortunately, I am truly afraid what the answer is.

To Lee: I fully understand your view. However, can Israel live with 3m Palis within it's territories or controlled somewhat by it, forever? The demographics are against this, as is the entire world. Israel needs US, more than we need Israel. A more pro-Palis, or less pro-Israel gov't could make changes in US policy...stopping military aid for example. I doubt Israel could buy from the Ruskies or Chinese due to Arab pressures? Israel has to be flexible..to a fault. It has no other choice I believe. It is too small to go it alone..and Diaspora Jewry is divided and really very weak. That is why Olmert is a centrist..playing it to the Bush/Condi gallery. Sharon is gone, and Bibi, well, maybe? Avi Lieberman's Israel would be foolish and counterproductive. Botton LIne: Israel needs US support..where else can it go, Micronesia?

To Lee: I agree with your assessment. I admit to being FOR the disengagement. I then was against "convergence". Olmert finally woke up for awhile..but has given in again to US and world pressures. Israel is caught between a rock and a hard place. If it stays put, it has multiple problems and vica versa. The Palls will not accept anything but their extreme demands which we all know, beginning with a withdrawal to the 67 borders. Israel should go with UN242 or a modified Allon Plan..keep the high ground, but cede the rest. Ridding itself of Arab neighborhoods to some extent has advantages, as long as it is part of an enforceable overall agreement. Israel should keep the Golan Hts however forever. Syria lost it fair and square, attacked Israel numerous times, and, thank G-d, lost. If Syria fires rockets at Dimona, Israel can take out Damascus.

No wonder you have a problem getting out of the 7th century. You forgot to count Jordan, also a part of 'historical Palestine.' Familiarize yourself with the name like Judea and you'll know the owner of this land.

Messiah didnt come. I would suggest that Israel should rely on a strong army and smart politicians , just in case the Messiah once again fails to appear to save the world. To that extand, get rid off Olmert, Ramon and the rest of this criminal government.

But of course, all the Arabs who live in them will be allowed to choose to stay in Israel if they want.

Jewish Messiah (deliverer) to come. Jerusalem has to be divided and the borders of Israel reset and the Third Jewish Temple rebuilt on the Temple Mount. Gaza had to be forsaken and Ashkelon will be a desolation and Ekron and Ashdod driven out at the noon day (Zephaniah). A treaty that by peace destroys many must be confirmed for seven years (Daniel) and that might have happened in 2007 when the Resolution 666 (# ring a bell?) was confirmed by the New ENPI (New European Neighborhood Partnership Initiative). Isaiah chapter 3 says the women of Zion will be bald and ravished and the mighty men dead from wars. Zechariah says two thirds of Israel will die and a third will live to see the Messiah. BUT THEN, ISRAERL WILL BE THE CHIEF AMONG THE NATIONS FOREVER. No more tears for a thousand years when a final rebellion happens and is stopped.

King Solomon told the people of Israel at the dedication of the FIRST TEMPLE that warfare had to be the primary occupation of the people. OF COURSE you are right and I was being sarcastic. But there is truth in my sarcasm for those who believe the Bible. The Gentiles (Moslems, et al) should tremple at pushing up the end of Gentile World Rule because there will be NO MOSQUES in the Jewish Messiah's Thousand year kingdom. Israel should prepare as if the Messiah will not come and that will increase the joy when He DOES.

Does Ramon say next year in Tel Aviv at the conclusion of the Seder?

after the latest intelligence (NIE)and the Bush Administration washing of hands in regards to a strike on Iran,and other cowboy diplomacy behind the scenes with Iran,Saudi Arabia pres. elections in Lebanon Israel is the country becoming isolated,do what you need to do,make your stand for your survival.

seems like they are intent on making sure our prophet zechariah's words are fulfilled ?zechariah 14:2 I will gather all nations against jerusalem-------------and half of the city will be exiled.

And I'll let you talkbackers guess which of Ramon's parts I have in mind.

that what the Bible say in Joel 3:2, there is God belong to Israel, if they would be divided in Jerusalem then God will do it at their risk at valley of Jehoshaphat. I agree with it his comments!

The inalienable rights of Jews to the Biblical heartland must not be violated! No one is demanding Muslims surrender THEIR top religious areas of Mecca and Medina! In 1948, Egypt invaded Gaza, ethnically cleansing all Jews and in 1948, Jordan invaded Judea, Samaria and east Jerusalem, ethnically cleansing all Jews. In violent opposition to G-D, Muslim Jordan destroyed 58 synagogues in Jerusalem. When Israel won the Arab war of aggression in 1967, Jews returned to the areas of their ancestral homeland they had been ethnically cleansed from for 19 years. Anti-Israel propaganda DECEITFULLY calls Jews' legitimate return "occupation". Jewish ownership of the land, homes and buildings stolen from the Jews in the 1948 Islamic invasion must be restored! Jews have had a continuous presence in physical and spiritual homeland Israel for 4000 years.

22 HUGE Arab countries possessing great oil wealth cover over six million square miles, over ten percent of the land surface of earth. TINY Israel only one tenth of one percent of the Middle East. America is breaking U.S. laws which make it illegal to discriminate based on race or religion. Demanding forcible removal of Jews from the Jewish homeland based on race-Jews and RELIGION-JUDAISM. 10,000 Gaza Jews were punished for not being Muslim, rendered jobless and homeless-financially obligated to pay mortgages on their homes Israel destroyed. It TOOK the GLOBAL VILLAGE to RAISE THESE TERRORISTS. Jewish greenhouses and farms built on land that NEVER belonged to Arabs were seized by the IDF for Israel's implacable enemies, the Palestinian Authority terrorist organization. Consumed with intense hate for Israel's G-D, Muslim mobs desecrated and destroyed the synagogues where Jews had praised and honored Master of the Universe. The jihad is against the Holy One. Does the U.S. government plan to eliminate laws making it illegal to discriminate based on race or religion? Or, does the U.S. government plan to add a clause stating, The LAW DOES NOT APPLY to JEWS? In 1922, Britain illegally gave Muslims 80% of JEWISH Palestine-the area became Jordan, giving Muslims an ARAB Palestinian State on JEWISH land. It was ethnically cleansed of Jews. Racist Jew-haters US/EU, demand ruthless, forcible expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Jews from Judea, Samaria and Jerusalem DESTROYING Israel's security and rendering Jews jobless and homeless. US/EU/UN ruthless ideology that demands cruel religious cleansing of innocents for not being Muslim must STOP! Oslo-Road Map destroyed the human rights of Christians who suffer horrific persecution under brutal occupation of PA/PLO: FrontPageMagazine.com | September 13, 2005 'Christianity Dying In Its Birthplace' By Daniel Pipes “Almost every day – I repeat, almost every day – our communities are harassed by the Islamic extremists in these regions,” Pizzaballa says. “And if it’s not the members of Hamas or Islamic Jihad, there are clashes with … the Palestinian Authority.” In addition to the Islamists, a “Muslim land mafia” is said to operate with PA complicity. It threatens Christian land and house owners, often succeeding to compel them to abandon their properties. The campaign of persecution has succeeded...Bethlehem and Nazareth, historic Christian towns for nearly two millennia, are now primarily Muslim. In 1922, Christians outnumbered Muslims in Jerusalem; today, Christians amount to a mere 2 percent of that city’s population." http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=19453 This massive ATTACK on Judaism and Christianity by the US/EU has ominous implications for every Jew and Christian on earth. There must be NO surrender of any more Jewish land to global Islam-the planned second Holocaust must be stopped! The planned second Holocaust extends far beyond Israel: In 2,000, leaflets were distributed in major British cities that included slogans: "The final hour will not come until the Muslims kill the Jews." Khomeini: “Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.” “Islam grew with blood . . . . The great prophet of Islam in one hand carried the Koran and in the other a sword . . . . Islam is a religion of blood for the infidels but a religion of guidance for other people.” —Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.