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ADL slams Jerusalem Latin Patriarch's pre-Christmas speech
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Published: 21.12.07, 00:10
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1. Such a statement from the church. I am shocked!
Cynic ,   USA   (12.21.07)
Some things never change. Blame the Jews for the all the world's evils.
2. Look at the picture: Is he ready to devour the child?
Arthur ,   SF, CA   (12.21.07)
3. Patriarch Sabbah
Paul ,   Indianapolis Indiana   (12.21.07)
I would like to then hear his opinion of Saudi Arabia
4. Sabah Schmabah
Gur ,   antipodes   (12.21.07)
who cares
5. Both sides deserve some ridicule.
Che Vive ,   Ghetto Beach, U.S.A.   (12.21.07)
It's true that the Vatican represents a sort of theocratic state, though it might also be thought of as an oversized church with closed services. In that sense the Patriarch's criticism is hypocritical. More imporantly however, his criticism is right. The ADL's statement that "all of Israel’s citizens Jewish and non Jewish enjoy the privileges of modern democracy, freely and openly practice their religions and are afforded equal rights under Israeli law" is a blatant lie. It discredits the organization. Discrimination against Arabs is rampant, everyone knows it, and nobody has ever answered the question of how a nation is supposed to maintain its demographic while not discriminating against minorities. Nobody's ever even tried, probably because everybody knows it can't be done. That's why Israel needs enemies... because if Israel ever has peace with the Arabs, it won't be able to excuse its racist policies by declaring them a "necessary reaction to Arab aggression". The only solution to the problem is integration. It's a shame so many would rather continue with the current situation instead. I suppose it's not all that hard for you though, when there are more of their children dying in poverty and violence than yours.
6. patriarch
sharon ,   phila   (12.21.07)
The Jewish People have no choice but to stand and fight, we are being attacked on every front. There is no turning away from it. There are only two kinds of Jews today. Those who will stand with the Jewish people, and those who will not. Do what you can in your own way and we will strengthen one another.
7. Catholic persecution
Sidney ,   USA   (12.21.07)
One of the needs for a Jewish state was the centuries of persecution of Jews by the Catholic Church. In my ancestral country, Lithuania, the main instigator of anti-Semitism after the first World War was the Catholic clergy. Lithuanian Jews had the highest percentage of deaths during the Holocaust of any nation. To this anti-Semitic creep, I repeat the words of a distinguished American Catholic, "Have you no shame?
8. The Pontiffs Misrepresentative
dmgold ,   Auckland New Zealand   (12.21.07)
Sabah, Sabah where has your flock fled to. You spend your waking hours vilifing the Jews of Israel, yet your flock has almost been completely expunged not only from the West bank and Gaza, but almost in its entirety from the middle east. There is only one country in the middle East that has a growing christian population. Surprise its that evil Jewish Zionist Israel. From 20 % 100 years ago to less than 2 % in 2007. I think that you are backing the wrong horse. Sabah the Dhimmih is your legacy and the pope should really tell you to piss off.
9. Christians & Muslims vs. Jews
Michel   (12.21.07)
10. How to make friends,and insult Jews.
Silvia Russo ,   Livorno Italy   (12.21.07)
This guy sounds very foolish.He is trying to suck up to his Muslim masters,by insulting the Jews. I come from a Catholic family,and people like this idiot make me sick. The Catholic church has caused great damage to the Jews,and this moron is carrying on that tradition.
11. Latin Patriarch Against G-d
Christy ,   Boston, US   (12.21.07)
They should replace this Latin Patriarch. Not only doesn't he know his Bible, he wants to do things that are contrary to the Bible. Does this patriarch think G-d lies? Does he think G-d will not do what He's promised in His Word? He must, if he has problems with a Jewish State and wants Jews to share the land with others. Hasn't he read the Bible to know that G-d gave Israel, including ALL of JERUSALEM, to the Jews? If the Latin Patriarch were to read the Biblical Prophets, he'd see the time we're living in is the regathering of the Jews. This was foretold long ago. There's no mention in Holy Scripture about Jews sharing their land at this particular time. I'm surprised this Latin Patriarch is so ignorant of his Bible. I would encourage him to study more & talk less.
12. For each action and equal and opposite reaction
Isaac Newton   (12.21.07)
Thrown the bum out.
13. Sabbah is absolutely right, but...
Yaacov Sullivan ,   NY   (12.21.07)
As an ex Catholic turned humanistic Jew I totally support this Bishop, because I believe all out world is one big village and everybody has to respect each other. I don't care is Sabbah or Haniye will be next cheif Rabbi of Israel or Islaltine. What is most troubling is that Catholic charch doesn't recognize gay relationships and multiple partners. As a matter of fact this practice was excepted and practiced by Romans prior to Christianity. I think all 4 monoteistic religions must rule Israel instead of the Jews. I pray that one day will see Chief rabbi, Pope or Imam as a gay in holly land. I recomment to combine Holy Qouran, Torah and New Testement into one book and create one new religion. I might even consider converting into this new Humanistic religion. Shalom, Salam, Peace.
14. You expected him to say anything else?
Steve ,   UK   (12.21.07)
For him to do so would diminish his authority in J'lem.
15. #1 The TRUE Church is NOT RC
Regardt ,   South Africa   (12.21.07)
Please do not be deceived, the TRUE CHURCH IS NOT ROMAN CATHOLASICM, there is a difference.
16. #14
(12.21.07)
you misunderstand or are completely ignorant. for him to do so means he'll be slaughtered by the muslims in west bank the next day as they are slaughtered yearly and their numbers diminish from arab areas.
17. Shouldn't Sabbah being performing some Catholic rituals like
Squalid Ibn Harman ,   Qtir   (12.21.07)
Shouldn't Sabbah being performing some Catholic rituals like molesting children instead of engaging in hipocrical politics.
18. SABBAH SHOULD WORRY LESS ABOUT ISRAEL...
(12.21.07)
AND A WHOLE LOT MORE ABOUT THE KIDDLE-DIDDLE GOING ON IN THE CHURCH.
19. The Catholic church handing out advice?????
Carlos Murphy ,   Red Hill Oz   (12.21.07)
The catholic church sure knows how to choose their officials.(it helps if these officials don't like Jews) Saudi Arabia, and most of the Arab states, including the PA, discriminate against Christians and everyone else. Does this worry this "patriarch"
20. Roman Catholic Patriarch
Phyllis ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.21.07)
He should immediately have his papers rescinded and sent out on the first plane. The Vatican has always been anti-Semetic - this is even more blatant than usual. Maybe they should change the Vatican to be open to all religions. We were founded as a Jewish State and such disgusting remarks should be met with total outrage and he should be shipped out on the first plane.
21. reply to Che Vive, Ghetto Beach
Phyllis ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (12.21.07)
You say "more of their (Palestinian) children are dying in poverty and violence than {ours}"....What happened to the hundreds of billions of dollars that have been given to help the Palestinians that never reaches them because their leaders just don't care. And why do they use children as front-line shields - and shoot rockets from schools. It's that they have no value for life - theirs or anybody elses. Normal people protect their children - not send them out purposely to be killed or blow themselves up. And given 30 seconds they'd be just as glad to slaughter you as well. They are many Arab towns/cities in Israel that live peacefully with us - and we with them. And where are all the other Arab states who totally discriminate against anyone who isn't a Muslim? Did you forget about them? Be careful - they'll get to you too.
22. #13 are you glue sniffing again?
jack bauer   (12.21.07)
ex catholic turned humanistic jew? how did you manage that? I think your not a jew at all. And how could you convert if you dont believe in torah? Combine with islam? LMAO and you want to be gay? have mulitple partners? and be moslem/jew too? Please tell me that your post was just a joke....please....for my peace of mind....... for a person like you all three religions proscribe a crowd+a pile of stones=you figure it out
23. Sabbah got permission to say what he said
Leroy Fungus ,   Boro Park   (12.22.07)
Rather than attack Sabbah for alerting Jews to the future Vatican Policy towards Israel, Zionists should recognize the danger and be ready to defeat the oppressors. Sabbah is a figurehead and is meaningless in the Vatican's ultimate aim of helping to destroy Israel. Remember, the Church hierarchy is not a democracy that gives its officials the right to contradict accepted Church policy. If Sabbah had supported abortion, his butt would have been greased and he no longer would be a church official. Obviously, there are powerful interests in the Church hierarchy that would love to see Jewish Israel destroyed. Remember, the Church's failure to confront Hitler was not an accident. They allowed virulently antisemitic priests fan the flames of hatred towards the Jews and did nothing to silence these evil men.
24. Religions
Marilyn ,   USA   (12.22.07)
Ideas of Christians involvement with government are complicated cause were not so during NT times. Ideas of government were of the churches. So have separation of church and state in many cases, cause not everyone would be part of the church. Christians called to be good citizens of whatever government that was in power. Also land not mentioned in NT. However this idea wouldn't work in other religions, especially in holy land, in which religion is tied with government and with land. So he has to be realistic.
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