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Kosher cheeseburgers and the Temple
Rav David Bar-Hayim
Published: 31.12.07, 01:21
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31. They myth of Kosher cuisine
Yossi   (01.01.08)
It seems that what most of those who oppose a mediocre soy-cheese burger call 'true' kosher food is really Eastern European cuisine. We didn't invent borsht, kugel, babka, kreplach or cholent. These were peasant foods eaten by the gentile natives. If one examines Sephardic and Mizrahi cuisine they are radically different - and quite a bit healthier as well. If someone is eating 'kosher' pizza, chinese food, indian food, etc it's no different then a soy-cheese burger. Well-- it is in one respect for sure- it tastes a whole lot better. Soy cheese is awful.
32. Reading the article
Reader ,   NY   (01.01.08)
i found it difficult to read this article due to the flashing advertisind 1 inch away. I have no problem with advertising, but if it won't stand still i can't read anything else. PS And i will make a point not to buy from such a company on principle. I don't want to reward their inconsideration.
33. 26 Your post has so much right about it...
Josh   (01.01.08)
..except for what you wrote. And by the way, I don't know which Josh post you got the "Father is Jewish" part from, but that is not me. According to real Torah, the mentioned "Josh" individual who's father is Jewish, would be Jewish. It is ben-Adam not ben Eve. Just because the rabbis messed up our perception, doesn't mean that that individual can walk away from Torah and follow only the noahide laws. If he listens to the Rabbis, he will be cursed all his days and so will his children for Torah is not an empty thing for the son of a Israelite father How cruel such words are on this individual that one would try to deliver him to "chose death" and place a stumbling block before him. Doesn't it bother one, such as yourself, to send a man to his doom? Worse you would take a man who follows Hashem and sell him a false g-d named Jesus so that he would be cursed under Torah? Not that any orthodox accepts an orthodox convert who teaches Jesus. This is less wanted than a helini drunkard from a mixed marriage with a Jewish mother. And that says a lot as the orthodox are one of the best communities for accepting a convert. We are all pagans starting from our pagan mother Rachael. She stole her father's idles. Maternal Torah lineage - get real? The orthodox are my people. I cannot participate in rabbinic workings for I chose to avoid sin and follow Torah. You self-label yourself as a halacha expert when you are a missionary for ribi Yehoshua, is this correct? Pro-Jesus still? Did you learn nothing from Torah? I understand Torah, for as the Torah states, you don't need someone to get it for you, it is near you and in your heart to do it. So to the audience, this is where Josh comes from. You say I need someone to get it for me and because I criticize sinning, my points are invalid. Moses, like a father, explained the key things that I need to know. Adding rabbinical Torah "fences" only keeps people out, not in. for if the people wanted to stay in, they would keep the laws. It also is forbidden to add these laws. I'm not fooled. You don't believe in the rabbinic, do you?. You only pretend to, don't you? You think you can mimic their behavior and quote their halacha as an inside track to converting the orthodox to Christianity, am I right? It is easy to do, as all you have to do is be a passive student and do as your told. Now look at you. They say a leopard doesn't change its spots, but some reptiles do despite the fact that they are still just a lizard. You calling me a goy, shows only what lousy leaders some baptist preachers are. Those who do not understand that Christianity is comprised of fallen Jews and that Jesus was a Jew. Leaders who dont understand that Torah was for all time and all the bloodline lost or otherwise. Being that you are the same posts as Charles, are you angry at me for exposing your puppet show and throwing the sabbos in the windmill of you missionizing efforts? I can sleep well tonight as my enemies and those of my people are overcome with frustration when they go to do evil. It is the least I can do for one who says "come worship this other g-d". Has it occurred to you that you should close up shop soon?
34. A question to Paqid 16 Yirmeyahu
Avi ,   Tel-Aviv   (01.02.08)
So what do you think about the instituted "fences" like kitniyot on Pesach or separation between meat and fish which has become a sign between kosher and non-kosher? None of these subjects has any support of the Torah she'bichtav. It's time to purify Israeli Judaism from diaspora contamination and Babylonian hocus-pocus. Last summer I visited Bar Yochai's tomb for the first (and last) time. There was a horrifying market place where votives, amulets and other good luck bringing items were in sale in the name of Orthodox Judaism. I saw no rabbi opposing to this selling of idolatry. I could have been in Vatican on near the Holy Sepulcre church! I support Machon Shilo 100%.
35. #33 josh-"The orthodox are my people".huh?
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (01.02.08)
"The orthodox are my people. I cannot participate in rabbinic workings for I chose to avoid sin and follow Torah. " You can not participate in rabbinic workings simply because THEY CHOSE to kick out,not because you chose anything! Right? Tell me a sinagogue that allows you in! "And that says a lot as the orthodox are one of the best communities for accepting a convert." Which is the ortodox community who accepts you? Quote!
36. And one more question to yeshu follower #33
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (01.02.08)
And if the rabbinic court sins in their workings ,IN YOUR VIEW,how could be them "one of the best communities for accepting a convert." ???Is it because they are "sinners"?
37. To All True Jews
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.02.08)
Josh is a pseudo convert , attacks always the Rabbanim , Is hatefull towards others if not disgusting paqid believes that "ribi yeshua" , better known wordwide as jesus , is the mashiach . And he dare to pretend he is a Jewish Orthodox Israeli . Strange that both those guys are "converts" . One of them thinks he is god , the second deceive unaware readers by telling them that he is an Orthodox Jew , what by his writings is certainly not true . As proof that he is "orthodox" ? his name on a place in a synagogue . Great proof indeed , LOL
38. Josh , the non Jew , gives lessons !!!
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.02.08)
he who was looking to buy a conversion certificate . "i could be "converted " by the orthodox for US$ 500 ." his words Probably too expensive , so he went to the conservatives , he did'nt tell us what they charged , but we all can see the results . He hates the Torah she be al pe , but knows the christian scriptures "be al pe" . He cites his messias , jesus , in most of his tb's . Does a True Jew have his mouth full of this "messias" , josh's ugly mouth is full of him
39. the only thing that is flawed...
Hillel ,   NYC USA   (01.03.08)
Over and over again people are expressing the criticism that the article is flawed, usually through the most desperate means at their disposal. The method of pilpul hevel comes to mind. The main thrust of the article is that we are obsessed with discussing minor issues as if they were essential. And yet, all of those who nit-pick the article proove this very fact by attempting to find flaws where none exist. There are very big issues that we need to address as a people in order to engage life as Jews in the fullest sense; worrying about whether we should eat legumes while the issue of the Temple is left for who knows what, is not only a sign of the times, it is to put it mildly, ridiculous. Thank you Rav Bar Hayim for being a sane voice calling others to come out of the dust clouds of confusion, and to embrace the Torah of normalcy.
40. #38 Abpaqcharin!
Josh   (01.03.08)
Able Paqid Charles and Kerin, close up shop, we aren't buying the Jesus thing nor your out of context quotes of either the Torah or of talkbacks. I have defined a new talkback word: "Abpaqcharin". pronounced AB*PAQ*CHAR*IN It is defined as a subversive diversion attack made by a single individual using alias posting names that uses either repetitive statements or baseless lies used to prevent counter-missionarys from debunking Jesus and for the purpose of getting the victim off the subject and focused on defending against defemation of character. Abpaqcharin! Whenever someone on a talkback makes a piont and the missionizer has been proven wrong and turns to cheap off-point attacks that are lies, one only need post the talkback reference and the word "Abpaqcharin" in response so that they can stay on topic. And the poster who is Able Paqid Charles and Kerin can use this word too.
41. No. 1 is soooo wrong. Kosher food for
(01.04.08)
the most part is just like any other food, it just depends on what it is. Healthier? No. Plenty of salt and fat and sugars. On the whole it is prohibitively expensive and poor quality especially here in the UK. As for the spiritual aspect of eating poor quality kosher, well I just couldn't comment. And while I'm ranting, hygeine levels in a good many establishments are way down too.
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