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Annual B'Tselem report sees sharp drop in Israeli, Palestinian fatalities
Aviram Zino
Published: 31.12.07, 07:16
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1. if the hostiles got transfered, there would be ZERO deaths
jack bauer   (12.31.07)
b'tselem reporting is clearly biased. It talks about bystanders not being actively shooting as being civilians and innocent? Well if a rocket cell is shooting from a schoolyard, who is an innocent bystander if a chopper shoots back at the schoolyard? The rocket cell shoots a rocket at sderot and "collectively" punishes the entire town....btw, they are not involved in any shooting and as such are not involved! no mention of them though, only crybaby arabs are mentioned as poor victims..... freedom of movement? arabs are free to move at anytime out of Israel...the land they squat in..... I doubt the checkpoints are designed to keep them in Judea and Samaria. Water right? Syrians planned to divert all the water from the golan heights that flows down into Israel......and it was lucky Israel captured the territory before that could happen....but now idiots are calling for the golan to be given to the syrians? why? so they can fulfil the plan? then there may be no water for anyone hebron? dont make me laugh. arab squatters have killed the large groups of jews that lived there when the arabs took control of the area. Now olmert and the rest of the corrupt lackeys prevent jews from living there....they dont even allow a mezuza to be put up! and that in the jewish entrance to the casbah, where loads of jews used to live.....(before the murders took place) Hebron a holy city for the jews has been daily defiled by squatters and the immoral govt. intends to keep it that way. east jerusalem? its the capital city of Israel....and the most holy city on earth....the residence of Hashem there is no need to even discuss its status.....
2. They brought it to this level themselves
Matityahu ,   Slovenia   (12.31.07)
And they keep bringing more restrictions on themselves with their atrocious actions. It's not Israel's fault that they live on charity. It's because they're too lazy to do anything good for them and for their neighbours. Only they can put themselves out of their misery, but as we can see, it's not likely to happen in our lifetime.
3. chalk one up for separation/containment
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (12.31.07)
like it or not, there's something irrefutably good to be said for it.
4. When We Kill Arab Terrorists, There Are Fewer Casualties
Yishai Kohen ,   YeShA, Israel   (12.31.07)
It's that simple: (Former IDF Intelligence Deputy Chief Gen. Yaakov) Amidror, speaking on Army Radio, quoted the "precise statistics" of a study by Prof. Ben-Yisrael of Tel Aviv University, showing that "we used to have a full 140 deaths a month, and we were able to bring it down to 50 a year - without even a kilometer of fence." Amidror explained that this achievement was enabled in two stages: "First by re-conquering Judea and Samaria [in 2002], and then, three months later, by arresting or killing terror leaders... It causes them to spend their time finding hiding places, instead of planning terror attacks." http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=92236 That was 2 years ago,and it's even more pronounced now. In short, appeasing Arab terrorists doesn't brring peace; only killing them does.
5. we always have next year...
(12.31.07)
Lets go IDF
6. B'Tselem
mike ,   Canada   (12.31.07)
As it seems to me, our govenment in Canada, or any government, for that matter, charged with the security of it's citizens, would be doing the same as what Israel is doing. No exceptions would be tolerated. It is very fine and dandy to stand back and declare all kinds of human rights abuses committed by Israel against Palistinians, and in particular, against Hamas, --which is also on Canada's Terrorist watch list. By Law, (the UN) set up the state of Israel. This very same organization has been infiltrated by countries and groups who use the UN as a soapbox to stand upon, vocally deny ing that this law was set up due to repression, murder, and every human rights issue against Israelies, committed by almost every group and country presently in the UN in the past 3000 years or more. This is NOT what the UN was set up for. The UN has been sabotaged by weak and smallminded people intent on renewing these atrocities, mainly for political reasons. Many of the countries and groups who are so vocally against israel, belong to groups who are human rights abusers in their own states or within their own groups, -against their own people. There are, I am sure, some shootings of civilians during Israel's attempt to stop the rockets, suicide prone murderers, and others of their ilk, while raids are conducted against these groups. These groups are notorious in using innocent civilians as shields. These deaths, are simply exploited propaganda and fodder for some of the B'Ters. I don't see Israel's armed forces, or Israel's civilians, going into the streets, shooting Palistinians, bombing restaraunts, hijacking airliners, blowing up shops, and buses on a Saturday afternoon. I am sure that when the B'Ters families become shields or murdered by some of these terror types by any means, they will soon change their minds. Perhaps they recieve pocket money to stand on their sopboxes. Perhaps they could shave off half their beards and play a banjo for the same amount. In Canada, it is a punishable offence to give aid and comfort to an enemy. We call it treason.
7. You are so sorry
Willy ,   Israel   (12.31.07)
They didn't kill enough of them,ey? Also difficult to rationalize away a 1:30 relation in casualties.... So we fall back to good ol' racism and sound just like the anti-semites we claim we have to flee from in the rest of the world. Isn't that just too easy? Also makes it easier to claim that there are no bystanders if you simply define every Palestinian as unworthy for life. That way you can bomb a schoolyard, Jack. C'mone. Any other ideas everyone? Maybe we could carpet-bomb the Gaza strip and sweep every single palestinian home in the West Bank. And while we're already at it, we also expell all the Arabs in Israel. After that we can feel free and safe and enjoy the highly prized humanity and freedom that the state of Israel is such a secure haven of.... Oh, and by the way: Please, all of you who park their fat asses in US-suburbia, Europe or Hong Kong: Please keep on talking big. After all you are the ones who are going to take the heat, aren't you?
8. WE DON'T CARE ABOUT B'TSELEM REPORTS. THEY HELP ARAB TERROR
(12.31.07)
9. CIVILIANS hiding terrorists are ACCOMPLICES TO THE CRIME and
Joseph P. ,   Jerusalem   (12.31.07)
regarded as TERRORISTS. Civilians with guns are not gunmen but TERRORISTS.
10. B'Tselem - EU proxy to sink Israel.
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (12.31.07)
You can bet!
11. the wall saves palestinian lives!
aaron ,   ra'anana   (12.31.07)
12. B'Tselem Is Irrelevant.
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (12.31.07)
13. And Palestinians killed even more of their own
Raymond from DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (12.31.07)
By one count, Palestinians killed over 600 of their own in 2007. Fatah killed Hamas, Hamas killed Hamas, Muslims killed Christians. And those fatalities included included scores of women and children.
14. human abuse
jerome ,   basalt, co   (12.31.07)
teaching Palestinian children lies, deception, hate and it's great to kill themself and infidels(Jews) didn't even get mentioned in this report! Isn't that odd that they don't think child abuse is a human rights violation!?
15. #13- where the hell did you get that statistic?
GUH   (12.31.07)
16. From the beginning of the year to the end
GUH   (12.31.07)
from the "routine raid" in Ramallah (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6231439.stm) to the woman shot dead yesterday (see ynet report), the use of terror has been predominantly Israeli. However, like some of you big mouths here are not quite satisfied with 376 dead, perhaps next year will turn out better for you; but you can not bring the resistance to its knees, because it only submits to God. Have at it, you fiends.
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