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Cold War chess genius Bobby Fischer dies in Iceland
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Published: 18.01.08, 18:13
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1. A Meaningless Death
Jon Davidson ,   Los Angeles, USA   (01.18.08)
To quote Spassky: "To bad for you. Bobby Fischer is dead". This was a meaningless death of a meaningless man. He moved chess pieces around bette than other people. This led to a rise of a self- indulgent megalomaniac with no social skills who renounced his citizenship because he thought his country "did not recognize his genius" sufficently. He praised the 911 attacks which killed thousands, and gave an interview hoping America would be "wiped out". All because he felt his enormus ego wasn't appreciated. His anti-jewish remarks were very charming. I saw the film of him in the early 70s screaming for cameras to be removed from a match, even though he knew and agreed to the event being filmed months in advance. Bobby Fischer is dead. Too bad for who? No-one I know. A mean- spirited man who thought he could exhibit childish behavior because of a game has died. So what? We are definitely not the poorer for it. We are the poorer for the death of hundreds of police and firemen who died trying to get innocent people out of the World Trade Center, even as the buildings collapsed on them. Any one of those men are worth far more than Bobby Fischer ever was.
2. Good Riddance!
Bill Pearlman ,   new York, USA   (01.18.08)
3. A classic self hating Jew despite his genius!
Adam ,   Ramat Gan   (01.18.08)
4. I won't be weeping too hard on this cuckoo... Good riddance.
Tahl ,   Israel   (01.18.08)
Despite having a Jewish mother himself, this nutcase was a hard-core antisemite, and his anti-Jewish statements rank as some of the most grotesque ever. You don't need to take my word on it, just go here: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bobby_Fischer And check for yourself, about his opinion toward Jews. Good riddance.
5. Thanks for the link Tahl #4
Chaim ,   Canada   (01.18.08)
It was very illuminating. I didn't realize he was so deranged. They say there is a fine line between genius and insane. I guess he crossed the line and then some.
6. Thank G-d the bastard is dead!!!!!!!!!!
jason white ,   afula,israel   (01.18.08)
He takes after his nazi father. His mother married a nazi soldier and they were living in a neighborhood with holocaust survivors. No wonder this slime ball became a nazi himself. Burn in hell,bobby!
7. World won't miss him
Noam ,   Boca Raton, FL   (01.19.08)
He was an exceptional chess player but a pathetic human being. We won't mourn his disappearance from this world, because he became vain and narcissistic from his chess skills. As well as a world class Jew-hater and bigoted man. Contrast this scumbag to Garry Kasparov, another chess genuis, who has used his knowledge to positively promote good causes, from democracy in authoritarian Putin Russia to offering advice on making sound business decisions and investments.
8. fisher?
(01.19.08)
a 2002 article by Peter Nicholas and Clea Benson of The Philadelphia Inquirer suggests that Paul Nemenyi, a Jewish Hungarian physicist, may have been Fischer's biological father.
9. It's nice to be modest, but it would be stupid if I did not
e.m ,   s.f   (01.19.08)
It's nice to be modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It is Fischer It's nice to be modest, but it would be stupid if I did not tell the truth. It is Fischer He was 100% right about Yugoslavia, Yugoslavia were the only nation that have stood against German Nazism ,They were the greatest U.S ally in ww2,They had all the right to defend their nation against Islamic fascism’s in Kosovo but the British Empire conspiracy have denied their right like they did against Israel in 1948 that they divided State of Israel and have brought that conflict between Arabs and the Jews( that was solve able if the British in 1948 were making two State one Israel Jewish State and the other Jordan Palestinian State but the reason they did not that because they knew that they will have more interest for the conflict between Muslims and the Jews),In the future the Balkan will have same problems with the nations of Islam like Israel have it, By the way I do not agree with all the things Fischer has believed but do not forget once he was very proud of his religion Judaism
10. Fischer: A sad life
Ron ,   California, USA   (01.19.08)
His life is more of a tragedy than his death. I think it is fair to say that we will never know just how great he could have been (could he have defended his title against Karpov?) and because he dropped out of sight for so long, I think it's obvious he was stuggling with something - most assuredly some sort of mental illness. When he popped up again in the 90's and went on radio stations spewing forth anti-semitic and anti-American statements, he most certainly lost his battle with whatever mental illness he was struggling with. It sounds like he had schizophrenia. I don't think he can really be held accountable for all of the things he said. He was a great hero to the chess world, and sadly, he couldn't cope or function in the real world. Kasparov is right. "We lost a great mind." [today]
11. No American had beaten Russians in a world chess tournament
Rivkah   (01.19.08)
before Bobby Fischer did. Quite often geniuses in one field are not savants in others. Albert Einstein was in some ways an idiot-savant, too. He could not even remember to come his hair. The Jews forgave him his idiocies and offered him the leadership of Israel in 1948. He declined and David BenGurion got that honor. If Bobby Fischer had been more appreciated by the Jews, perhaps he would have forgiven himself for being one. His genius will be missed, even if his personality will not.
12. to #11 You are comparing Einstein
jason white ,   afula,israel   (01.19.08)
for not combing his hair to fischer's nazi rants? You are nuts and just as anti Jewish as he was. By the way Einstein was offered Israel's presidency and Ben Gurion was the Prime Minister that offered the title to Albert. herr fischer will be missed by us like we miss hitler or arafat. I just hope he suffered before he died.
13. 12 Jason: Einstein stole his theory of relativity from
Rivkah   (01.19.08)
another, too. Perhaps he was not even a genius. He had to have constant personal care in dressing and grooming and assistance in remembering many things since if he was a savant, it was in mathematics and physics. But like most famous people, he plagarized and got away with it and became famous for it.. I am glad he was offered the President position and not Prime Minister. That is a less sanctified position. You think that pointing out flaws of two people makes a person anti-Jewish. I have nothing in common with most Jews because they are atheists. The few, perhaps a third of the Jews, who are Jews in their hearts, I have respect for and have much in common with including an ancestry. Since you cannot attack the point, you attack the person (me). That does not say much for you. Even Adolf Hitler would not have hated the Jews if his Jewish grandfather, a Rothschild, had married his grandmother he seduced or raped and left pregnant and abandoned. How would you feel if that happened to YOUR grandmother? If YOUR grandmother was raped by a rich Arab and thrown out, would you try to avenge her by killing Arabs? Perhaps. Perhaps not. The Jews in ancient Persia would not have been nearly slaughtered if Mordecai had followed the custom of bowing to a leader of the country as other Jews did. ONE Jew's arrogance nearly got vast numbers of Jews killed, except for the mercy of God. Myself, I have been so mistreated by Jewish descended brothers and sisters and mother that I have an understanding of why people hate Jews that you have chosen to be blind to. The Jews are their own worst enemies since some of the worst fellows in history have been renegade Jews, like the renegade Rabbi who helped write the Koran.
14. rebe CACA , in 48 fisher was 15 years !
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.19.08)
Thew Jews offered him the leadership in 1948 ? You only again show that the US has thrown money away by "paying" your studies [ in the kindergarten ? ] this guy was aged 15 years then . Then you say that Einstein stole his theory . Yes , somebody has stolen your little brains , in no avail , they did'nt contain anything .
15. Error , he was aged 5 years of course !
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.19.08)
16. So informative! With head in the sand!
Eli ,   Budapest   (01.19.08)
I wonder how could YNET not mention that his mother was of Jewish decent, that his biological father was Paul Nemenyi (another man of Jewish decent) a very good friend of his other father, and they both were communists. Is this too complicated to write down? Shouldn't decent Jews know who are those born to Jews but who should be despised like Fischer? Y'mach Shmo
17. Rivkah #13
Tahl ,   Israel   (01.19.08)
While I disagree with most of your post, one thing I do agree about is your statement, "Jews are their own worst enemies", as your views only solidify this point. You start off by thowing a wild, horrid, and totally unfounded accusation against Einstein. Then, you say that you have no respect for two-thirds of the Jews who are "not Jews in their hearts". Well I for once happen to be a secular Jew. Does that mean I am not a "Jew in my heart"? Does that mean I belong to the two-thirds of Jews you don't respect? What does "Jews in their hearts" mean anyway? Believing in God as my creator? Obeying all the commandments of the Halacha? In that case I guess I'm not a real Jew for you... But I believe a true Jew is first and foremost defined by his respect and behavior toward fellow Jews and gentiles - religious and secular alike. So I may be secular and hardly obey anything, but I do obey the most sacred command for me - "v'ahavta lereacha kamocha". Furthermore, I FEEL Jewish by identity. The fate of the Jewish people is the same as mine. And I certainly don't need your kosher stamp to ratify my Judaism. But you don't stop here. You then start to develop this crazy theory that sort of half-justifies Hitler's hatred toward Jews and his decision to eradicate them. If my grandmother would've been raped and abandoned by a rich Arab, I would probably be mad, but definitely not decide to perfom GENOCIDE on all Arabs, and neither would Jason, nor any sane Jew. Your revenge theory does not hold water, and only trivializes and condones Hitler's demented personality. Next, you blame Mordechai for being "arrogant" for not bowing. Funny how you, a religious Jew, all of a sudden is in favor of violating one of the ten commandments... Wouldn't Mordechai not be a "Jew in his heart" according to you, if he had bowed down?... That would have sent a message to all the Jews in Persia, to "bury" their Judaism. So as a secular Jew, I am very proud of Mordechai standing on his principles, and not compromising his Jewish identity. I am sorry to hear about you being mistreated by your relatives, but please don't take your anger on all of us. We are all brothers, and should come together and solidify, instead of bickering and fighting one another. This should be the ultimate legacy of Fischer's death. Let's hope our people don't raise another freak like him.
18. Tahl , שלום
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.19.08)
This rivkah is not Jewish at all , is from a christian sect [ ? ] , maybe one where she is the only member . She tells stories about her , her relatives , people she knows , so many stories , that a normal person should need 20 lives to encounter them . So her "mistreatement" is probably only in her great fantsasy , she should write books !
19. 17 Tahl: Hate TRIGGERED Hitler's actions. Hate did not
Rivkah   (01.19.08)
justify what he did. How you rage on and on, thinking you are smarter than God when the Bible says a fool says in his heart there is no God. You have many questions which in part reflect fears. You fear I may be right on Albert Einstein, so you attack that. Albert "Einstain" stole the theory of relativity equation E=MCsquared from the secretary of Voltaire. Marconi stole the Nobel Prize for the invention of the radio from Nikola Tesla. On and on it goes. Maturity is the gradual process of disillusionment. If you cherish "Einstain" that is your priviledge. He did not cherish himself when he realized the destructive powers the theory of relativity in action resulted in. He said World War IV will be fought with sticks and stone, he was so sick at heart about it. Bowing to a king or leader is a custom. It is not worshipping that person or ancient Israelites would be guilty of worshipping kings like David and Solomon they bowed to, also. God was NOT pleased the ancient Israelites wanted a king instead of God and His prophets to rule over them. Mordecai probably bowed to the king of Persia but did not bow to the wicked Haman under the king who was a second in command ruler, perhaps. If Mordecai did not bow down to the king, he would have been killed in all likelihood. So the belief that Mordecai bowed to no one but God is probably wrong. To bow on BOTH knees is a form of worship. To bow on one knee to kings is not a form of worship. Even Naaman the Syrian General bowed to the false god of the house of Rimmon to keep his job and he went to heaven and belonged to God. So it is not necessary to be perfect to belong to God. You ask what is needed to belong to God. First you must be CALLED by God. The Bible says not many mighty, not many noble, not many wise men after the flesh are CALLED. The next hurdle is to be CHOSEN by God. There is only one- hundred percent chance to be chosen: that is to seek God early, for those who seek him early will find Him, the Bible says. How is one CHOSEN by God which is not the choice of man but of God? You must repent of being a sinner because no one is good but God, the Bible says. You must read the Bible and ask God to reveal to you the secrets that will enable you to enter his kingdom. God has sent his son to this earth many times. The Patriarch Abraham paid Him tithes when the Son of God came as Melchisedek, the King of Salem. Meshach, Shadrak and Abed-nego, the friends of Daniel saw the Son of God in the firey furnace with them, protecting him. The Son of God came to this earth as Yeshua, too. He will come again at Armageddon to deliver the Jews and make Israel the principle nation of the earth. God's son died to be reconciled with sinners, Gentile and Jew, since the people of the earth had so offended God from Adam on, no other sacrifice would atone for them. Only God and the angels know for certain who will be saved eternally. Many Sunday Sabbath keepers will be utterly surprised at their exclusion. Many Jewish Saturday Sabbath keepers will be excluded, too. Those who honor God with their lips instead of with their hearts do not belong to God. You need to TRY to obey God's commandments and to repent when you are unable to. You need to believe God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son to die for their sins to reconcile people to God through his son. Jews worship Yahweh the Father through Adonai/Hashem, the Son. Real Christians (and there are few) worship Jehovah (Yahweh) the Father through Yeshua (Jesus) the Son. The son of an elephant is an elephant. The son of God is God the son. Now you can spit and spew and rant and hate all I have said since only God can reveal Himself to you and make you His own. I have no power to do that.
20. bobby fisher
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.19.08)
i have deleted him from my list of great Jews . He doe'nt deserve to be listed together with Botwinnik , Lasker , Steinitz , Tajl and other great Jewish chess masters .
21. Eli , Budapest
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.19.08)
I think that everyone knows that this guy was of Jewish origin . Had'nt this be the case , there would'nt have been any reason for Ynet to write about him . They did'nt mention either that he was baptised , i have read that somewhere .
22. Rivkah
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.19.08)
you are the Nobel prize of stupidity , and you did'nt steal it from nobody , in this field nobody can come to your ancle . That's the only field were you are above everyone , congratulations !
23. Bobby Fischer
I. Barr ,   Detroit USA   (01.20.08)
Bobby Fischer, a chess genius, died a few days ago. At a time, considering the fact that his mother and possibly his father were Jewish, he was considered "Jewish." As the rule says that if the mother is Jewish than her offspring is Jewish as well. But Bobby denied being a Jew. Moreover, he accepted Nazi propaganda and Holocaust denial. As a rabid anti-Semite he is not different from other individuals who are related to Jews. Joel Kovel, Norman Finkelstein and others are not less rabid anti-Semites than Bobby. They gain legitimacy by declaring being "Jewish," yet we have to accept that being born to a Jewish mother does not make you automatically Jewish. Not teaching Jewish values, Jewish history, Bible (not just Torah), Jewish philosophy and Jewish pride will continue to nourish rabid "Jewish" anti-Semites who will proclaim free speech to achieve their malicious intentions to delegitimize the Jewish people and by inference the Jewish state Israel. Jews like to embrace celebrities who have a Jewish connection. Is it an inferiority complex? We as Jews have a lot to be proud of. We do not need Bobby Fischer the anti-Semite who also played chess well. We need to understand that it is our duty, however, to make Jewish education of our children a major priority so that when they grow and prosper they will not turn out to be "their brother's killers." It is not enough to be born to a Jewish mother to be a Jew.
24. Einstein and other idiot-savants
EGW ,   vancouver canada   (01.20.08)
RIVKAH it wasn't Ben-Gurion, he became Prime Minister, a political position and the real leader of Israel. You are thinking of Chaim Weitzmann, who became President, a mainly ceremonial and powerless post. The Presidency was what Einstein was offered. Although a noted woman chaser, he was NO politician.
25. To #22
Chava ,   USA   (01.20.08)
Please pity her. It probably takes hours each day for her to click on her own posts enough times in order to get them highlighted. I couldn't imagine that there are too many people in the world who have the same viewpoint.
26. #19
Connie ,   Virginia   (01.20.08)
Do you mean born-again? You can't "see" the kingdom of God without that happening first. The bible says to rightly divide the word of God, so I'm going to study more in depth ..what God meant by being called and chosen if only for myself. Are you born-again?
27. 26 Connie: You cannot be born again unless the Lord chooses
Rivkah   (01.20.08)
you to be. If you worship God on Sunday, the day of the Sungod Apollo (Satan), you should question whether you are chosen by God or born again. Yeshua did not honor the Sabbath of man but the Sabbath of God. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrine the commandments of men, Mark 7:7 says. They (you?) worship and serve the creature (Pope who changed the Sabbath) more than the Creator (who rested on the seventh day). Are you a deceived Sunday church goer? Revelation says to come out of religious Babylon that is called a Mother harlot and her harlot daughters: the Roman Catholic Church and the Sunday Protestant Churches. Become Messianic Jewish, is my advice.
28. Chava , USA
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.20.08)
It takes her hours......you wrote . I'm quite sure that her screen is the only she can talk to , a lonely person . She has one good point . From time to time her fantastic stories make me laugh . Yes , i'm sorry for her , but she does'nt want to be helped by psys , maybe she tried , but to no avail , sad .
29. Prayer for Brain Dead AP (= Asinine Press) 2nd try
Paqid 16 Yirmeyahu ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (01.20.08)
The Qadish is NOT a prayer for the dead you stupid pseudo-intellectual AP morons (writer and editors)!!! AP is too ignorant to know what they're writing about but that doesn't excuse Ynet editors who should know better. PS: the most popular Israeli Jewish newspaper not publishing candlelighting times on Erev Shabbat and Erev Khag in its on-line counterpart is a disservice to Jewish readers and a disgrace to Israel. Even ha-Aretz publishes candlelighting times. Paqid Yirmeyahu IIsraeli Orthodox Jew Advancing Logic as Halakhic Authority Welcoming Jews & non-Jews www.netzarim.co.il
30. 25 Chava...
(01.20.08)
If I sat at a computer day and night voting for myself, ALL my talkbacks would be highlighted in red, not just a few. You appear to suffer from jealousy as does Charles. Birds of a feather flock together. I prefer better company. Please feel free to skip my talkbacks since they seem to distress you.
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