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Kiryat Arba rabbi: Don't sell mezuzahs to Reform Jews
Neta Sela
Published: 21.01.08, 21:23
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1. SHAME ON YOU "RABBI" LIOR
jewish, reform or no   (01.21.08)
SHAME ON YOU "RABBI" LIOR
2. I dont get it? The goal is to perform Mitzvot, not prevent
David ,   Boston, USA   (01.21.08)
This does not make sense to me. Granted, I am only a Conservative Jew married to a woman who converted to Judaism before we married and raising 3 Jewish daughters so far. Rabbi Lior needs to encourage the practive of Mitzvot, not the prevention of them.
3. Gavalt...!!!!!!!!!
Sholom Liebl ,   USA   (01.21.08)
Give me a break.... This is a leader.... A religious man... One who inspires.... What of the three sons... The One that Knows and cares... The one that knows and doesn't care and the one that doesn't even know.... Are we not to honor all three and pray that we all are in the fold... under the Chupa, wrapped in the Tallit of G-ds loving embrace.... Me thinks the poor Rabbi is a closet Morman.... No room for Love, Chesed, guidance, tolerence.... My way or the hiway..., I have the true answer...YOU DON'T.... GIVE ME A BREAK... WHAT ABSOLUTE ARROGANCE.... This is a Rabbi....? This is one ignorant old man who upon entering Gan Eden will say... OOOOPS....
4. KOL-HA-KAVOD!
Antonio ,   Haifa   (01.21.08)
Reform Judaism is not Judaism! If you don't want to observe, then be like me and don't observe. But no need to pervert our tradition.
5. "Amend certain facets"????
Ora ,   Jerusalem   (01.21.08)
Reform doesn't seek to "amend certain facets of Judaism" (as if Judaism were broken!), it claims that Torah is not from Hashem and is not binding. That's not "amending," it's "throwing out the window." Christians believe in more of Rambam's articles of faith than Reform does.
6. just like they shouldn't sell to chruches
david ,   new york   (01.21.08)
a sopher should not sell torah scrolls to a church because it is a desecration. similarly they should not sell to reform temples. the case for not selling is even stronger in israel than in the US. in the US most reform are not their out of any conviction, this is simply all they know and they are simply ignorant. in israel, there is no such argument. all who go there are responsible for all that reform is.
7. I'm sure there are other scribes who will do the job!
Chaya ,   Bat Yam, Israel   (01.21.08)
It is known that Reform congregations in Israel are much more traditional than their counterparts outside the country.
8. What no magic for reform
Josh   (01.21.08)
Read bMidbar 23 an note that the reason the tents of Jacob could not be cursed was because their was no iniquity nor magic in Israel. If a Babylonian kidnapping of the leaders could result in the leaders bringing back Babylonian Magi rituals adn a magic book called kabballah, then the foreign nation can assure the ability to curse the Jews. Talismans are made in elaborate ceremonies. During these rituals incantations are recited to conjure the desired deities who imbued the talismans with magical power. Magic incantations use repetition, performative language, and a formulaic composition. So what is it that we Jews do not understand about the truth of magic? After looking at historical events of the past 800 years, could anyone question that we do not have the protect that Jaacob had when Baalam attempted to curse us. The reforms would be lucky (less susceptible to foreign curses) if this were to have an effect.
9. Divide and conquer - aiding the enemy
Keren ,   Haifa, Haifa   (01.21.08)
What a tragedy that this rabbi hates his fellow Jews so much that he prefers to aid the enemies working for our destruction. We are a small, diverse people under attack by enornous, implacable enemies who work assiduously for our annihilation. Rather than work for Jewish unity, this "rabbi" would set Jew against Jew. With such "leadership" we don't stand a chance.
10. G.d
Andras Bereny ,   Kfar Tapuah, Samaria   (01.21.08)
G.d bless you, Rav Lior! With the reform you never know who is Jewish and who isn't. I have an ex friend, very assimilated, who "married" a "half Jew". I asked, her father is Jewish. They had two girls and one of them had "bat mitzvah". This is in America today. Now I fugure all of this girls friends and probably future husband will think she is Jewish. And she is not!
11. Lovely. . . .
Reformorino ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (01.21.08)
If your rabbi told you to go jump off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you do that, too? No movement is perfect, but I'll say this for Reform: We heed our own consciences. Di l'zramim! Jews must start simply loving one another; you daven with us, we'll daven with you, each recognizing that hashem is not Orthodox and hashem is not Reform. It is our people's self-righteousness -- the self-righteousness that says "my way alone is God's way, and others who disagree are traif" -- that prolongs the galut.
12. Saint Antonio
Menachem ,   Tierra   (01.21.08)
Saint Antonio or can I call you Tony? Tony, Who made you judge of what's Judiasm or not? Dov Lior need to smoke some grass and get back his senses.....Or maybe some llello!
13. by what authority
charicleia   (01.21.08)
by what authority does Lior imagine that he can legislate for all Jews? He's a prime example of the disgraceful and embarrassing conduct of ultra Orthodox rabbis, who give us all a bad name. Never in Jewish history have there been such tyrants and fools. Lior is a prime example.
14. Left Alone to Fight the Arabs
Josh ,   Chicago   (01.21.08)
Hearing the ranting of our beloved and learned religious brethren makes my blood boil. My family’s blood was spilled by the Nazis the same as some of yours, but instead you and the other radical religious zealots while offering little to promote the long-term existence of Israel or our people or our beliefs have delegated yourselves as the masters, purveyors, and inquisitors of all that is and should be Jewish. Should you ultimately decide your stance is right, I suggest you and your zealots, being so far removed from those Zionists founded Israel, pack up and find somewhere else to declare your homeland as those supportive and majority REFORM American Jews are responsible for the 2.5 billion dollars in military aid assuring the military supremacy enjoyed by your not so religious fellow citizens who fighting for your rights. You are pathetic and the downfall of Judaism and Israel will ultimately rest on your shoulders not ours!
15. WAKE UP, AND READ WHAT RABBI LIOR ACTUALLY SAID!
bill handel ,   brooklyn, usa   (01.21.08)
He didn't prevent the scribe from selling holy objects to INDIVIDUAL Jews, who happen to go to a Reform temple. He forbad the scribe to sell to the OFFICIAL REFORM TEMPLE. He is against revisionist Judaism as an institution.
16. very sad, Rebbe
velvel in decatur ,   georgia usa   (01.21.08)
I am pleased that we have no person masquerading as a "Chief Rabbi" here. Better the Chabadists who do outreach with tefillin, kipots, machzor, and Talmud---and affection. Rebbe, you've been reminded that the Nazis never differentiated among us, whether Reform, Conservative, or Orthodox. This sounds like sharia law to me issued by someone who hates and does not love. Very sad, Rebbe.
17. Should it be allowed for a Messainic (Jews 4 Jesus) Church?
Dave Neil ,   Jerusalem Israel   (01.22.08)
Do you think a Messianic Jews for Jesus "Synagogue" should be allowed to have a Mezuzah on its door. And if not because you have standards - so this Rabbi also has standards! it's just that your standards are broader than his! And Reform does throw out halacha as binding which is a fundamental principle of Orthodox Judaism. So what's the fuss?
18. the reason Reform exists is that
bob ,   potomac md usa   (01.22.08)
a large number of Jewish people--most, to be exact, find Orthodoxy distasteful--people with the behvoir of Rabbi Lior are one example of that--I say this as an Orthodox Jew
19. OUT OF CONTEXT...
ged   (01.22.08)
For all of you who had jumped the gun, you fell into the ynet trap. For one, the headline does not quite reflect this article. In the article it states that "the scribe should not get involved with the congregation at all so as not to be “privy to a transgression or sin”. " This goes to say that it would be forbiddin to sell to the establishement of the reform synogogues. (whom are not recognized as a kosher sect of judaism accross the orthodox board) This is not to say that, as it is stated in the headline "Don't sell mezuzahs to Reform Jews". Of course the individual Jew has the privlage of performing mitzvot. The establishment is the problem, according to my understanding of rav lior.
20. גוש אמונים‎
ben shlomo ,   singapore   (01.22.08)
נאמני ארץ ישראל קִרְיַת־אַרְבַּע ספר יהושע : - ) ~
21. Shalom Hebron ראש ישיבה‎.
ben shlomo ,   singapore   (01.22.08)
Rabbi Dov Lior,ראש ישיבה‎. I abide : -)~
22. COL HACCAVOD TO RAV LIOR AND OTHER THOUSAND RABBIS WHO AGREE
Sergio ,   Qiryat Arba   (01.22.08)
It has been the position of ALL REAL RABBIS FOR AT LEAST 55 YEARS! Reforms are Jews for the extinction of Judaism and the Jewish People into assimilation. OVER TWELVE MILLION JEWS WERE LOST ONLY IN THE US IN THE LAST 60 YEARS BEACUSE OF THE REFORM!
23. I would sell mezuzahs & Tefillin to Reform Jew
Judaica vendor ,   Internet   (01.22.08)
At least they will have the opportunity to perform this mitzvah, why prevent them from performing even one mitzvah?
24. Keep it up, Rabbi
NYC Girl   (01.22.08)
and you'll only create even more anti-Orthodox Israelis who wouldn't step foot in a synagogue on a dare.
25. REFORM IS A CLUB: NOT A RELIGION!
Moti Dan ,   Holon, ISRAEL   (01.22.08)
Therefore why should they make fun of & desecrate items holy to the Jewish People? Obviously, Reform does not believe, have no emunah... To them, Torah, tefillin & mezuza are funny old-fashioned atributes... so let them use replicas on copy paper. Rabbi Lior is correct. Kol HaKavod lo. Viva Rav Lior!
26. #15
Vitaliy ,   Brooklyn, USA   (01.22.08)
Don't make me laugh, Bill. What - reform synagogues are not institutions? We all know perfectly well, that now if someone does approach a scribe subscribing to Lior's philosophy, he won't be able to get anything fixed either... And afterwards, with the continuing "holier than thou" phenomenon getting stronger among haredi, soon enough no haredi scribe will be willing to do this. Not to mention that such, allows Torahs tfillin to remain with mistakes, which is certainly not a good thing for anyone!
27. Pure Hubris. Jesus Probably Phones Him Nightly For His Dad
David ,   Marietta USA   (01.22.08)
Just because the man is a Jew or a self proclaimed Rabbi doesn't mean he can't be a moron also.
28. Gentiles can buy these items. Why not reform Jews?
Rivkah   (01.22.08)
29. 10 Andras...The great Yeshua of Nazareth said
Rivkah   (01.22.08)
a person is a Jew who is a Jew in his/her heart. Someone who is outwardly a Jew and inwardly is not, is not a Jew in his/her heart to the Lord. Circumcision is of the heart. If someone is a Jew in his/her heart, then the person is a Jew regardless of bloodline. A Jew in the heart WITH a Jewish bloodline has a greater blessing.
30. a nother khomeiyni in israel
reuven ,   usa   (01.22.08)
mazal tov.in hebrew we say "" DAY LE KHAKHAMIM BEREMIZA""OR HAMEVIN YAVIN
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