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Israel teaches Europe how to fight xenophobia
Neta Sela
Published: 24.01.08, 21:10
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1. How we fight intolerance - we never go to East Jerusalem
Chelm Elder ,   Jerusalem   (01.24.08)
and if i were to venture to an arab neighbourhood, there is a 70% chance i would get beaten or stoned. Fact.
2. Islam will become EU's predominant religion by default
Alan ,   SA   (01.24.08)
3. It is easier to teach a cat to surf the waves
Alan ,   SA   (01.24.08)
4. 'Beware of those who call themselves Jews and are not"
lydia ,   Brisbane, Australia   (01.24.08)
Some 90% of todays 'jews' are not blood jews and have no links to the Biblical jews, they are not religious nor are they Semites not having originated from Asia, ME or Africa. Their policies are downright racists against not just the Muslims but their own '2nd class jews'. The Zionists at the top of the hierarchy and Sephardi's then the Muslims and Christians at the bottom of the pile. Pray tell what can these racists teach the rest of the World about tolerance and morality?.
5. Hypocrisy
Lord Sidious ,   Imperial Centre   (01.25.08)
You guys know more about xenophobia? Yeah, I would agree with that. After all, you split the entire population of the world into jews and non-jews. AND, your so called israel has adopted the Third Reichs Nuremberg laws on race virtually word for word. Jesus pinned you guys. You are of your father the devil and he is a liar. You will delete this, but I will see you in hell. I will be running it. I will keep the ovens on for you.
6. #4 - lydia, Answer me these questions...
Joe ,   Los Angeles, CA   (01.25.08)
DNA studies have shown that: 1) Jews are a Middle Eastern people, sharing common genetic markers with Kurds and Armenians; 2) Ashkenazim are more closely related to Sephardim and Mizrachim than they are to Europeans. DNA studies have also found that Arabs (Palestinians in particular) have a striking amount of Sub-Saharan African DNA in their blood. Who's the occupier, lydia? As regards some wacky hierarchy you described with 'Zionists' oppressing Sephardim and Mizrachim, why are the Sephardim and Mizrachim some of the staunchest Zionists? Wouldn't this put them on the top of 'the pile'? If so, how can they be racist against themselves? As regards us not being 'blood jews' and having no links to the Biblical Jews, why are the Ashkenazim and non-Iraqi Sephardim so closely related DNA-wise to the Bablyonian Jewish community that was ethnically cleansed from Iraq in the years following 1948 after living there since biblical times? BTW, lydia, with all your erroneous hang-ups about us not being 'blood jews', who are you to call people racist? Are you going to tell us next that blacks are really descended from a race of 'mud people'? If yes, wouldn't that make the Palestinians 'mud people'? Think before you post, lydia...
7. The difference between anti-Semitism & Islamophobia
Terry ,   Eilat, Israel   (01.25.08)
Anti-Semitism is an irrational unjustified attitude based on stereotypes, myths, conspiracy theories, & psychological problems of paranoia. It is not based on the behavior of Jews but is an attitude that exists prior to actual experience. It depends greatly on selective perception. Islamophobia, on the other hand, can be a fear not of individual Muslims but of an ideology incompatible with Western values. Islamophobia is also the result of the actual behavior of many Muslims - we see & hear it every day. There will always be those that have fear & prejudice against those different than themselves. But political correctness should not impede realistic, objective, & frank analysis of any ideology or religion. The two phenomena (anti-Semitism & Islamophobia) are not similar & should not be lumped together in the same catagory.
8. Fight anti-Semitism
Harold Lane ,   Tel Aviv   (01.25.08)
In Europ as well as in the U.S.A., there are threats, once again, on Jewish communities and Jewish Institutions by anti-Semitics organizations and individuals. As long hate of Jews and incitement will be preached by the Imams in the Moskes and will be tolerated, anti-Semitism will florish. Anti-Semitism is a world plight as noticed at : http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2008/01/anti-semitic-attacks-and-jihadists.html
9. Joe , regarding this lydia
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.25.08)
Did'nt you immediately see that this person is an antisemite ? You can tell her what's ever possible , she will not change , it's in her DNA .
10. Anti-Semitism
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (01.25.08)
Could it possibly be that the increase in anti-Semitism in some countries is in direct proportion the the influx of Muslims? There's, also, a huge difference between some idiotic, personal prejudice with regard to some "unknown different" and the well-documented ravings of quite a number of Muslim Sheiks promising death and destruction to all infidels across the board. If there are Rabbis out there, foaming at the mouth because I don't subscribe to Judaism and threatening to kill me over it, I must have missed it. This is a personal opinion, but if the whole world is to be taken over and controlled by someone, I'll vote for the Jews any day. (I just had to say it :-)
11. #9 - charles, of course I saw it right away...
Joe ,   Los Angeles, CA   (01.25.08)
Of course I saw it right away- just like with this 'Lord Sidious' character, whom I will be responding to shortly. The only reason I spend my time responding to people like these is because their factless beliefs get people killed and I refuse to stand back and their idiotic comments go unrefuted. I have no hope of changing lydia or 'Lord Sidious' because people like these need, firstly and foremostly, to raise their knowledge of logic and history beyond that of the average American 16-year old's. They need to finish their high school diploma for starters... Nevertheless, for as many people who post TBs on this site, there are many, many more who don't. My goal in responding to Anti-Semites and supporters of 'The Cause' is twofold: 1) educate them out of their erroneous thought patterns; and 2) by doing so, promote rational discussion of the issues at hand in order to save lives and make this world bigotry-free. Both logic and objective historical criticism support our right to be a free nation in the homeland of our ancestors. While this is something the Israeli Left has forgotten over the past 60 years, I refuse to let this fact die a quiet death. Shabbat Shalom, Charles...
12. #5 - Lord Sidious, who are you to talk 'hypocrisy'?
Joe ,   Los Angeles, CA   (01.25.08)
Who are you to talk hypocrisy when your dearest wannabe demigod (who himself was Jewish, might I add) divided the world into those who believed in him and those who didn't, then commanded his followers to convert people, by hook or by crook (as history has proven), to worshipping him as a god. If, as you say, the Jews are the 'spawn of satan', this must mean that Jesus is also the 'spawn of satan', because Jesus was Jewish. Do you worship the 'spawn of satan', Lord Sidious? I don't think you need to respond to this question because the readers of Ynet, by means of dissecting your TB, already know the answer...
13. How to solve anti-semtism once and for all guaranteed.
Gil ,   Tel Aviv   (01.25.08)
Get rid of Olmert.
14. #6, 3.5 million Ashkenazi Jews 'traced to four females
lydia ,   Brisbane   (01.26.08)
"A total of 3.5 million Ashkenazi Jews are descended from just four "founding mothers" who lived in Europe at least 1,000 years ago, according to a study by ISRAELI GENETISTS." The discovery that the women are the ancestors of some 40 per cent of all eight million Ashkenazi, or European Jews". Acknowledge first to your 40% European jewish aplotype then point to to the 2.1% of Palestianian Arabs, and 1.1% of Muslim Kurds. HUNDREDS OF INDEPT STUDIES by thousands of scientists link WASP Mitochondrial DNA to THAT OF Africans . Don't see the Whites jumping up and down at the findings and that DNA makes them African and gives them rights and previldeges to Africa. I guess you are as Jewish as the WASP are Africans.
15. To #11 and #12
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (01.26.08)
There are two major flaws in your tb’s: 1. You assume that some people can be enlightened. 2. Religion. Iro #1: There are people in this world, who simply cannot be educated. It’s like trying to penetrate a 3” steel plate with a straw. It won’t happen; not now, not ever. It’s a waste of effort and time. Iro #2: Arguing about religion is a dead-end exercise I, myself, believe that there is a god, but I have no proof, either, and maybe, deep down, I’m simply trying to hedge my bets. Based on historical events, however, god seems to switch sides on a rather will-nilly basis, giving a certain amount of credence to everybody’s contention that my god is more powerful than your god; even if only for this year/decade/century/millennium. The State of Israel can be put in very simple terms for which no god and/or religion are needed: “We wanted it, you miscalculated just how badly, you decided to fight, we won and you lost; we now have it, and we’re not giving it back voluntarily.” (Sometimes, one has to wonder about that last part, but that’s another story.) As the world turns “miracles” and disasters happen to everybody and other than on the basis of “God helps those who help themselves,” bringing him/her/it into all of this is senseless, because it always makes god look inefficient, unjust, etc. from somebody’s viewpoint. The idea that god promised real estate to one group of people and in light of their, nevertheless, constantly having to fight for it, is just as strange as someone else’s belief in forgiveness by proxy, immaculate conceptions, dead people walking out of tombs and then disappearing into thin air, that again being no weirder than supposedly exhorting this bunch to arbitrarily kill everybody who won’t go along with the perceived agenda of their god, none of it having worked out too well for anybody. It just seems that there’d be a whole lot less “smiting,” if we all stopped using god to justify our murderous behavior towards one another and then, adding insult to injury, tried to dress it in some cloak of normalcy, respectability, or heaven help us all, religion. The Old Testament is strewn with heaps of dead bodies, belief in the New Testament kept up that lousy tradition, and if some Muslims have their way, belief in the Quran will outdo both. I can’t, for the life of me, believe that god had that in mind for any of us. Decrying anti-Semitism with anti-Christian comments is no better than the other way around and the irony of that is no less amusing than bringing logic into a conversation pertaining to god/religion/faith, the latter being based on the interpretation of intangibles instead of the physically tangible. Faith implies doubt and is belief without reason; not too compatible with the modern, that is mathematical, definition of logic.
16. i can not understand
lala ,   jerusalem   (01.26.08)
iam not idiot or stupid but i can not understand this antisemitism .. if the one kill a jew it is untisemitism .. if he say jew is idiot it is antisemetism //but iam a mother and many time i say to my son you are idiot or you are stupid or you are selfish .not becouse i hate him but becouse i judge his doing in some thing /
17. #12 Joe
Ephraim ,   Diaspora   (01.26.08)
I was following you and agreeing with you until this last post Joe. Then I suddenly realized that the one who has proclaimed himself the fighter of bigotry was a very good example of it himself. Shabbat Shalom Joe
18. HAHAHA! Israel teaching Europe how to fight xenophobia
Willy ,   Israel   (01.26.08)
The pot is calling the kettle black! Jew and Arabs here in Israel are the most racist kind of people you can find on the face of the earth. I hope they'll learn their lessons!
19. #16 lala
Ephraim ,   Diaspora   (01.26.08)
What you are doing to your son is child abuse. You are his mother. He believes what you say. If you tell him often enough he is an idiot or stupid or selfish, he will believe you and then what you see in his life will be selfishness, stupidity etc. You can do better than that. If you love your son, teach him not to be stupid selfish idiot instead of reinforcing those things with your accusations. He is probably learning how to be selfish stupid idiot from you.
20. to joe ca
soso ,   jerusalem   (01.26.08)
it will not be aquiet death //but a violant one
21. fear of Islam, it's a logical fear.
ygalg   (01.26.08)
just as fear from Nazism. or we perhaps start defending Nazism. calling it naziphobia? antisemitism or racism do not integrate with Islamophobia. there is no threat a Jew will force for conversion nor a color of a person projects ideology, it's simply a skin hue. Islam however ingrate well with Nazism. with slide difference. Nazism is to erase inferior races particularly of Jewish ethnicity. Islam is to erase inferior religions. first the Jewish religion. or at least to subdue under Islamic rule. erase ideologies that promote freedom of thought, end of slavery...etc.
22. Terry 7
Libneniyyeh   (01.26.08)
you're getting boring - like someone who used to post here all the same usual stuff, like a sheep bleating four legs good two legs bad. Who are "we"and who are ÿou", and how the hell do you presume to know anything about anyone anyway? You dont like the Muslim ideology, you say it's not compatible with westernn ideaology, thats funny, cos Muslim and Jewish ideologies are almost identical. Any true Jew, not a hate-filled Zionist who is only foaming at the mouth, will be able to tell you this. And since we both have the 'eye for an eye'teaching in our ïdeology"then please enlighten me as to how we are so different. In reading talkbacks on both sides i sometimes fail to see any difference.
23. one last word
Libneniyyeh   (01.26.08)
if the Muslim ideology is so incompatible with western, then how come so many westerners are converting/?
24. To #23
M. Hartley ,   Atlanta, US   (01.26.08)
What you're not mentioning is the number of converts who leave Islam again which, according to Tarig Ramadan as per the link below, a Muslim blog is 1 out of 4 and may be as high as 3 out of 4. That's not counting the Muslims who grew up in the faith and are leaving it. Also, it may be worthwhile to take a look at where Muslims find most of their converts, at least in the US: in prisons. Well, you can have them! That aside and since you obviously have to, please stick to bsing each other . http://forums.muslimvillage.net/lofiversion/index.php/t12725.html
25. to Joe
ygalg   (01.27.08)
if you have spare time visit http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/index.php or at http://www.israelforum.com/board/index.php? I think you will be a great add up.
26. anyone ever consider...
Greg ,   New York City   (01.27.08)
that the anti-semitism all over Europe COMES from the Muslim immigrants and not from the "natives".
27. to 19 diaspora
lala ,   jerusalem   (01.27.08)
your theory here have two sharp edges and this is what happens in antisemitism / if evry work is judge by a good openion the one will think he is always right and the others are wrong // sure i say i do not hate my son but judge him and sure i correct the wrong he do it and let him learn // my son now is a man a very good one and still i told him sometimes that he is stupid but he laugh and said what i will do you are my mother and know better than me
28. Greg , NY
charles ,   petach tikva IL   (01.27.08)
Yes there is a part of antisemitism in Europe coming from the muslim side , but they are'nt alone , the "natives" , as you call them , are NOT a minor part in this .
29. Europe is anti semitic and now have exchanged
Petra ,   usa   (01.27.08)
quiet, good Jewish citizens for the barbarity of Islam. Europe wont change due to her catholic beliefs that malign all Jews. My advice to all European Jews, Carry a gun and use it if you have to. In addition, all Jewish Temples should have cameras outside their premises to film the criminals who strike by night. Dogs would also be good to attack these night raiders. Europe got what she deserved, brutality in the form of radical Muslims who would gladly slit the throats of their 'hosts. Aren't you proud? Now, white Christians are in danger, just like the Jews. Ye reap what ye sow.
30. # 4 Lydia Poooor dummy
Petra ,   usa   (01.27.08)
your open naked bigotry speaks for itself re: Jews. Perhaps Israel is a bit over protective of her own after 6 million cannot speak for themselves. You are just a sorry prejudiced muslim with unbridled hatred of the Jews taught by the worlds biggest threat to peace, Islam. BTW< Please know that now, Islam is the most hated of all religions as they threaten peace universally. Something about your religions going 'BOOM' around the world. Thanks to you, Jews are loved next to you self exploding numb nuts.
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