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Israel teaches Europe how to fight xenophobia
Neta Sela
Published: 24.01.08, 21:10
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31. #27 lala
Ephraim ,   Diaspora   (01.27.08)
Why is it that every time something is said to people like you which is intended for good advice, it is immediately called anti-semitism? I am the farthest from anti-semitism as anyone in the world. I love the Jewish people with all my heart. If you can justify your calling your son stupid idiot by Torah then use your own judgment. But don't call my words anti-semitic. I read Torah every day and I have never in my life found one scripture which says correct your children by calling them stupid idiot. That is verbal abuse, not love. But go on living in your world of hate and discontent if that is what gives you happiness.
32. #29 Petra
Ephraim ,   Diaspora   (01.27.08)
I am a little confused by your post Petra. I usually agree with your posts so maybe I just don't understand what you are saying. You say Europe is anti-semitic. Is all Europe anti-semitic or do you have a specific nation in mind? Maybe Germany or Poland. Maybe all Europe is anti-semitic and I am unaware of it. I like you live in the US. There are many anti-semites in the US but I don't consider all US citizens as anti-semitic. Perhaps our government can be considered so or they wouldn't be trying to establish an enemy state right in the middle of Israel, but I am not anti-semitic and I am in the US. I wish to support my Jewish brothers so it would be helpful to me to know just what you mean by Europe is anti-semitic. I do not wish to support any nation that is anti-semitic. I don't want to visit them or to support them through commerce. I have no choice in the US. This is my home. Since I am considered goy, I cannot go to Israel to live.
33. #5 Lord Hidious
Ephraim ,   Diaspora   (01.27.08)
Believe it or not, you said one thing I must agree with. With your attitude you will be in hell keeping the ovens hot, but I for one will not be there to greet you.
34. Ephraim , we are not your brothers
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.27.08)
and sisters , again a LIE ! . we don't accept missionaries , thieves and liars as our family .
35. Petra , # 29
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.27.08)
Have you been in Europe once , or in the last year ? i was , and where i was , i have seen many Charidi people walking around without fearing anything .And there is also a large muslim community there Of course , all Jewish institutions have security measures , but Jews are not in panick . Europe wont change due to her Catholic beliefs that malign all Jews . You wrote . You forget that hundreds of thousands Jews were saved by those Catholics and other Christians . So a little bit moderation and more objectivity should be showed .
36. To # 29 with best regards from "Eurabia"
gabi ,   Nbg, Germany   (01.27.08)
"Europe got what she deserved, brutality in the form of radical Muslims who would gladly slit the throats of their 'hosts." ____________________________ Instead of spreading your hatred about Europe start looking at your own country! And please stay where you are as people like you are not welcome here. Gabi
37. M. Hartley and Ephraim...
Joe ,   Los Angeles, CA   (01.27.08)
Please understand that the point of my talkback to Lord Sidious was not to debase Christianity; the point was to follow the thought train of 'Lord Sidious' to its inevitable conclusion. For a person call a group of people 'the spawn of satan', by quoting a member of that particular group of people whom the person worships as G-d, this is tantamount to saying that the person is a satan worshipper. Please bear in mind that I, as a Jew, do not view myself as being the 'spawn of satan', nor do I consider Christians to be satan-worshippers. I have many Christian friends and, while I disagree with their belief system, they don't try to convert me to Christianity, I don't try to convert them to being Noachides, nor do either us beat each others' heads in over the subject of religion. When, however, people justify racism with half-baked logic, they need to have somebody else finish what they started just to see how errant their thought processes are. Like I said before, I don't expect to change these people. The only reason I spend my time responding to people like these is because their factless beliefs get people killed and I refuse to stand back and their idiotic comments go unrefuted. While there are people out there who have committed themselves to one side or the other, there are, however, people still on the fence as regards to the Jewish people and our right to live in the land of our fathers. These are the people I speak to. As regards using religion to justify our presence in the region, please note that I have never, in one of my talkbacks, said, "We have a right to be there because G-d gave it to us and not the Arabs". My belief for our right to be a nation in the land of our fathers is based on the following 3, non-religious, points of discussion: a) on 3+ attempted genocides against the Jewish people by the Arabs in the last 60 years; b) from the standpoint of international law, Israel is the only sovereign nation holds the strongest claim to the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea; and c) Jordan (originally named Transjordan) was founded by the British as a national homeland for Palestinian Arabs, making the 'need' for a Palestinian nation west of the Jordan superfluous. Again, if my finishing the thought processes of Lord Sidious offended either of you, I am very sorry. Please note that this is not what I believe. I come from the standpoint that when people come to conclusions based on half-baked thoughts, their illogic needs to be pointed out to them. Again, I'm sorry for offending the both of you...
38. Joe
Ephraim ,   Diaspora   (01.27.08)
Thank you Joe for your explaination and apology. I agree with you regarding putting these kind of people in their place. I also agree with all your reasons for the right of Israel to exist as a nation in Eretz Israel. For me though, I would add the religious reasons also. I firmly believe that G-d gave that land to the Children of Avraham, through Yitz'chak, NOT YISHMA'EL, and also through Ya'cov, NOT ESAV! It is your land, I am willing to fight along side of you to make sure you keep it. I apoligize for the ignorance of the government of my country who are trying to divide your land. Though Charles who posts here often and attacks me for saying I consider you my brothers, that is how I feel. You are my brother as all righteous people are my brothers.
39. Joe , don't apologise to ephraim !
charles ,   petach tikva   (01.28.08)
he is'nt worth it . he is a messianic missionary who with his "nice" words tries to convince TRUE Jews that he loves us . Wait untill he discloses his true goals , then you will see what he is .
40. to ephriem diaspora
lala ,   jerusalem   (01.30.08)
iam sorry .i do not want to tell you that you are antisemite nor iam never be antisemite // but sure if you say that iam antisemite or iam idiot or stupid i will never be angry becouse the word will never kill me or send me to prison .we all are human may be wrong may be right // but sure the bullet kill the fire will burn /// even the word hurt me but i say may the other is angry or may he is jelouse /// lastly iam not a jew nor israili but iam living here in jeruwsalem // iam not sorry that iam living in this city
41. Amazing
Michael ,   Oxford UK   (02.16.08)
It's a little like going to the USA to learn about gun control
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