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Messianic Jews: We're subjected to harassment
Roni Gal
Published: 21.03.08, 09:12
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31. Rob , fight with words
charles ,   petach tikva   (03.21.08)
I meant to say "fight" with words , not violently .
32. #19 imagine for a moment that Jesus was Jewish
John ,   USA   (03.21.08)
And he belonged to a sect that believed that sacrifices were actually symbolic of the man (not literally taken to appease a god like the pagans held too concerning sacrifice). Now imagine for a moment that understanding this Jewih belief, he decided to try to become their version of a sacrifice so that they would not longer see their sin in Israel / substitute (this was my peoples punishment for transgression / captivity), and sacrificed himself in this manner as a man. If it worked like it was supposed too, the world would have entered into self sacrifice, and there would be no wars, starving people, or violence. What a Messiah to conquer the world with no violence. Don't believe the incorrect Christian view of a Tzaddik concerning Jesus. Vicarious atonement is a JEWISH THING. Don't blame Jesus because Christainity made him the antichrist. Even though I disagree with their bogus belief system (or other bogus Jewish belief systems), it is never an excuse for violence and racists hatred anyway.
33. thugs
disgusted ,   bad neighborhood   (03.21.08)
The lesson of purim - evil is within us, within our own communities, and tolerated by our leaders. So do everything to protect individuals and to reform those communities.
34. I look at it this way...
John ,   USA   (03.21.08)
Christians falsely believe that Jesus is a replacement for an Orthodox Jewish version of a "non symbolic" sacrifice (which is against the Holy Word), and mixed it in with other beliefs concerning paying off or feeding a diety. Kittim continues to this day. Some Jews think that this is what Jesus taught that he was, because they actually believe the Christian view or version of who Jesus was? Come on people......OYE!
35. ARAB TERRORISTS SENT THIS BOMB!!!
Dani Berg ,   Ariel, Judea   (03.21.08)
Let Ami fully recover from his injuries! Obviously, arab terrorist sneaked in Ariel to place this bomb! Do not hire arabs! Do not let arabs come near Jewish homes! No arabs - no terror!
36. Messianic Jews: We're subjected to harassment
Lloyd ,   England   (03.21.08)
"Messianic Jews" are Christian converts who define "Jew" in a racial sense. They are sometimes also known as "Christian Jews". In the UK their groups are often segregated into full and associate membership by race. For example, the Application Leaflet of the "British Messianic Jewish Alliance" (http://www.bmja.net/) says "Full membership is limited to those of Jewish descent, whilst associate membership is open to all who wish to support and be involved in the Alliance". In the BMJA's Constitution (also on its website) it states, "Non-Jewish believers ... are eligible for Associate Membership. Associate Members cannot vote at General Meetings of the BMJA, nor be members of the Management Committee. The foregoing clearly constitutes racial discrimination. Who gets the blame for it? Not the Evangelical Christians who support groups like the BMJA. Use your imagination
37. Caleb Myers
Leah ,   Jerusalem   (03.21.08)
The first sentence about him should read "Caleb Myers, one of several Messianic Jewish lawyers..." The point is that he is NOT the representative of the Messianic community. Also, Messianic Judaism is NOT a cult. Please correct these errors.
38. Hey Everyone, Here's the REAL question:
Leah ,   Jerusalem   (03.21.08)
How can we get a NEW heart (Jer 31:31)? How can we possibly be reconciled to God (Ps 2:7-12)?
39. Bomb is wrong, but messianic is not judaism
Uri ,   Bs As, Argentina   (03.21.08)
Not only "extremists" don´t recognize them as jews. All conscious jew, reform, conservative, orthodox, don´t recognize them as part of Am Israel. It´s so sad that a bonr jew became an evangelical messianic, and it´s a fallacy that an evangelic presents himself as a Jew and goes forth to convert us to his sect. No to bombs , no to hurt or kill people. But no to messianic "jews". We have already lots of problems to solve, to worry with proselitists. bye, shabat shalom.
40. #33 LOL You didn't even read the Megillah
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Did you notice at the end, we ANNIHILATED OUR ENEMIES!!!
41. Violence is never an answer to non violence
Yitzi ,   Jerusalem   (03.21.08)
Messanic Jews are Xhristans. They are dead wrong and no Jew should ever be influenced by them. Publish their pictures, ostracise them defeat their conversion plans by any non violent means. I hope the boy and his family recover and go back to America or wherever they belong and leave us Jews alone. Those who bombed him should get full punishment for the crime committed.
42. Call a spade a spade "messianic" Jews....
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (03.21.08)
aren't Jews at all. They're Christians. Lets stop using that BS term messianic Jews. I pray this kid is ok, though...and I hope the perpetrators of this vile act are cought and punished.
43. More likely Muslims
Jackie ,   Florida, USA   (03.21.08)
Since David and Leah Ortiz were preaching mostly to Muslim Arabs in the area, trying to convert them to Christianity, it is most likely that they were targetted by a Muslim terorist group.
44. Messianic Jews
Dave ,   Jerusalem Israel   (03.21.08)
The Supreme Court of Israel ( Bagatz ) has ruled on several occasions that born Jew who has accepted Jesus is not permitted to make Aliyah per the Law of Return. And in essence the person despite what they say have rejected their Jewish roots. The Supreme Court of Israel is not a right wing fendementalist organization. There very good reasons why a Jew beleiving in Jesus in a enthma to educated Jews. Most Israeli Jews althohg educated have not had a minimla jewish education and do not see the problem with this. when I ran a ocmpany in Holon and Jerusalem I ended up firing some Anglos , who began promoting Jesus to jewish co-workers. I then madde a policy that on principal I would not hire a Messianic Jew. Please note that in the American Messianic Jewish community they take great pride in pulling one over on aliayah officials. If the alyiyah official knows that they are messianincs thier aliyah would never be facilitated.. Unfortunatly they network and share how to beat the system. A jJw beleiving in Jesus as messiah or the son of god or god makes as much sense as having hallah or glatt kosher pork.
45. Messianics
Lenny ,   NC USA   (03.21.08)
Well, I have read t hese talkbacks, and there are truths and half-truths expressed. My wife and I are Jews by birth, we keep Torah, a kosher home, Shabbat, have NO associations with organised religions, christian or otherwise. We do believe that YaShua Ha Moshiach has come and will be returning at the time that the Scriptures say that HE will. We are anxious for HIS return. We try not to be offended when people mistakenly call us "christians." There are many churches, (we don't believe in churches), who claim to love Israel, and jada, jada. One comes to mind, john hagie, and a host of others; they don't love Israel, it's only a lame ploy to stir up their congregations and make them feel rightous. This is but rubbish, and has no place in following Messiah. In closing, the Prophet Jeremiah says that in the last days they will exclaim! "we have received nothing but lies, elohim that are not elohim, -they will be looking for the Elohim of Moshe, and saying, "where is HE, we need that Elohim!" let's pray that when this happens, there will be teshuvah! Thank you, Lenny
46. stop calling yourselves Jews
Jeremy ,   Jerusalem   (03.21.08)
You are not Jews. You are Christians. Putting on a kippa doesn't make you a Jew. You follow a fasle religion. Christianity. Stop trying to confuse Jews in order to convert them
47. to 34 , John
Hiram ,   Sfat   (03.21.08)
Can you clarify your thoughts ? I tried to understand bus to no avail...what exactly do you mean to say ? Tks
48. Leah....it comes through "self sacrifice"
John ,   USA   (03.21.08)
YOUR THE SACRIFICE (Psalm 51:17). Christians can know G-d too (have life), in a world of idolatry.
49. It's a Christian "sect" (they worship the J-man)
Former 'Messianic' ,   Jerusalem   (03.21.08)
It's telling that while Arabs could have done it and likely did in retaliation for their proselytizing of Arab youth, yet they take this opportunity to bash real Jews and promote themselves once again as some form of Judaism which they are NOT. Not ONE actual Jewish organization from Reform on accepts Messianic "Judaism" as a "sect" of Judaism. They have their own "conversion" courts where any goy can become a "Jew" by fulfilling ONE requirement---that they believe in J---s. This is a CHRISTIAN SECT by EVERY definition. Get a clue YNET!!
50. Not possible
Jacob ,   Abbotsford- Canada   (03.21.08)
It not possible that in these time, there is people that fight for religions. and don´n respect the idea religion of others.
51. wake up!
sherith   (03.21.08)
Is a secular Jew a Jew????A religious Jew a Jew???? YHVH Blessed Be HIS HOLY NAME, knows ALL that belong to "Yisrael"...your job is to show mercy upon your brother! A JEW IS A JEW!!!! AND THE ENEMY IS AGAINST THE JEW, Regardless! You have the enemy surrounding you on all sides, the days are short and there will be much weeping and mourning! Turn your hearts back to YHVH and do good and turn your hearts back to YOUR BROTHERS!
52. Simon bar Kokhba
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53. Mercy and justice
Rina ,   Israel   (03.21.08)
I am ever thankful that Israel serves G-d of perfect balance: Mercy and justice. He's not interested in any ...isms, neither in traditions, but looks to the heart of man. His instructions are all about human relationships intended for all mankind. May Israel rise to be the light to the nations!
54. 46 - God's blessed Abraham's SEED, his PHYSICAL descendants
Nate   (03.21.08)
And no amount of Rabbinical propaganda can change what God clearly said - if you're born a Jew, you die a Jew. God calls unbelieving Israel a "harlot" yet says He will remain faithful despite her perversion and unbelief. If you don't believe me, read your scriptures - God said it, not me.
55. God bless you.
Lebanese christian ,   Beirut   (03.21.08)
My prayer for the yound boy. May Yashou bless you & protect you.
56. Jesus is the Jewish Messiah
Marcel ,   Florida   (03.21.08)
How sad that the elite religious Jews of Jesus' day were offended,exposed as hypocrites and their religious business threatened by the One God sent as the Lamb He promised to provide to Abraham . The Passover Lamb His people still reject. Soon the national blindness of Israel will be healed when their present god ,America is destroyed and they will learn that Jesus is their messiah. Just as they were blind to their brother Joseph sitting in great power in Egypt ,again they will be shocked and mourn for their sinful pride filled ,failed ways.
57. MESSIANIC JEWS ARE A CHRISTIAN SECT ! THEY ARE DANGEROUS
Ron   (03.21.08)
58. #15 - J.Christ was Jew, so how a Jewish cannot be christian?
Yossi ,   Chicago   (03.21.08)
59. Messianics are also harassing those of them who leave Christ
Aryel Tsion ,   Susya Israel   (03.21.08)
Messianics are now complaning to be harassed by religious Jews. As former Messianic Pastor who converted to Judaism (see www.shalom-center.org/jewish.htm) I experience tha Messianics and Christians themselves haresses those who step out of Christianity and regard thos less than a dog. So stop complaining and look to yourselves dear Messianics.
60. #15 I disagree, Jews who accept Christ are righteous Jews
observer   (03.21.08)
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