We have too many groups we do not need here,messianic non Jews,hara-dim,neo nazis and the fifth column. Time for us to clean out our country and make sure these groups leave as soon as possible.

First of all, David and Linda you are in our prayers. The Lord is WITH you, He will NEVER leave nor forsake you. He promised you that, and He is not a man that He should like. We love you and pray for the salvation of your enemies... For the rest that do not believe Jesus was and IS the messiah, you are in for a BIG and unfortunate surprise the moment you leave this world. Christians are among you to spread the Truth...to spread Love, concern, compassion, peace. You either believe or you don't. Its not by force nor by lies that we spread the Gospel. Pride got satan....dont let it get you too. BELIEVE! Peace and Love for Jerusalem! In His precious Name, H.G

Wrong. They are called former Jews. The contradiction cannot be bridged.

Jesus was a Jew as were most of the apostles. The writers of the gospels (100 years after the fact) wanted to separate definitively. So they twisted Judaism, appropriating what they wanted and claiming it as their own, and let the "difficult" parts fall. One who believes Jesus to have been anything other than a carpenter, rabbi, teacher or philospher, i.e. "the Christ", ceases to be Jewish and by definition becomes a Christ-ian.

. . . The Jewish reaction to messianic "jews" is not an anti-Christian phenomenon. It is that messianic "jews" are deceptive proselytizers of the worst sort. Jews for Jesus, and the like, are organizations mainly run by Christian missionaries without any Jewish background and they prey on Jews seeking spirituality who don't have too much knowledge of their own religion. Although I have a problem with proselytization because I think it is morally wrong to wrest people from their religion, I have no respect whatsover for "messianic jews" who deceptively say that you can be Christian and Jewish at the same time. You simply cannot. And if you need to use deception to trick people into joining your religion, what does that say about your religion? It would be more honorable to simply tell people that they are Christians and that the money and organization behind their movements are largely missionary Christians with no Jewish heritage and who, themselves, do not practice "messianic Judaism". So - there is never an excuse to harm people for their beliefs, but there is also no excuse to deceptively try to convert people away from their heritage.

The Arabs sent a bomb to this Christian family. It has nothing to do with Jews. This Christian family has close ties with Arabs whom they want to convert. Something went wrong between Arabs and Christians. The bomb was sent by Arabs.

It is very unfortunate that you have labelled Jewis believers of Jesus Christ as a "sect". If you knew anything, you'd know that Jesus' disciples were all Jews, the early church was all Jews, and Jesus himself was a Jew. With your secular attitudes in general, is it any wonder that the Roman Catholics accuse you of being "Christ killers"? Your orthodox Jews are the very hypocrites that Jesus talked about very often. Pretending to be religious but being phony. Same on the unbelievers whether Jews, Muslims, or atheists. I'm coming on a tour of Israel in September and am trying to make plans to meet with Palestinian Christians. Perhaps I need to try to meet with the Messianic Jews too.

How can anyone - let alone a Jew who knows first hand of persecution and terrorism - continue a sentence that starts by agreeing 'violence is wrong against innocents'... with 'however', 'but', 'nevertheless', etc... any of these imply that there are special situations when violence against innocents would be justified - and then you give an example. Which is also wrought with a poor attempt at logical deduction. You are going to judge the identity of a group of people because a media source wants to speak out against the violent harassment this group is subjected to?? The continued attack against Sderot, and the rest of our country for that matter, doesn't inspire such controversy - then why are Jewish terrorists inherently justified in their choice of victims? Finally, your 'evidence' that this group of people are a cult rather than a sect of Judiasm seems awfully vague and lacking substance. Furthermore, you don't pay attention or listen to the very people you are judging - they don't claim to be Christians. SO, NO ONE is trying to say Christianity is Judaism.

his/her heart. Sunday sabbath Christians are not Jews in their hearts unless they REPENT of breaking the Second Commandment to honor the Sabbath day (OF GOD, not the Sabbath of man). The Sabbath day was changed to Sunday by the Council of Laodicia. Revelation describes the Church of Laodicia as APOSTATE. The Church of Philadelphia is small and is a true church that honors the sundown Friday to sundown Saturday sabbath of God. Sunday Christians and many others call the Messiah Jesus which was not his name in any language. Jesus is a Portugese man's name, not the name of the Messiah according the The Dictionary of Surnames by Oxford Press. JOSHUA is the English translation of YESHUA, that noted reference book states. You worship another Yeshua called Jesus and I'll bet you honor a Sunday sabbath, breaking the Second Commandment to honor the sabbath of Adam and Moses and David and Yeshua. It is the Sunday unrepentant Christians along with the other tares who pretend to know God but do not who will burn with fire. Religious unbelievers are the children of the devil, as Sunday sabbath keepers have shown throughout history that is what they are.

This does not help Israels image of being a civilized and democratic state that protects the rights of it's citizens. You find Jews that are atheists or New Agers, practicing Hinduism or Buddhism or anything else. But if they are a believer in Jesus that means they can't be a Jew? I see a contradiction here which stems from prejudice. Singling out a group of people and treating them like this is the very thing that plagued Jews in many parts of the world they have dwelt. I don't have to accept or like someones beliefs but this doesn't mean that I treat them less than a human being. I thought this was only in the radical Islamic regions. I can disagree but still show human kindness and respect their right.

rob is a typical lfet wing moron he puts words in your mouth which you never said they have a very cavalier attitude to truth and morality that it is why i do not engage with them

Deuteronomy 10: 16-17 Take heed to yourselves, lest your heart be deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; and the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and He shut up the heaven, so that there shall be no rain, and the ground shall not yield her fruit; and ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you.

Go forth and multiple, make the world a better place. Do good righteous things. Instead of being dead people waiting for Jesus or a new Messiah to come back and correct it for you. The WORLD IS SUPPOSED TO SEE MESSIAH IN YOU. PEOPLE OF G-D. RISE UP! REPENT! Its not about getting people to believe / worship in magical Jesus flesh and blood so they can get to heaven, or bringing people into this type idolatry. When the PEOPLE DON'T LISTEN G-d sends righteous ones in the Spirit of Messiah, not because your doing such a great job.

oh my Gosh, Jesus was the greatest Jew that ever lived and how many of you ever read for yourself the New Testiment. The Father sent him and look how we treated Him. "He came to his own (Jews), but his own recieved him not " God forgive us.

you can't change your race. A J ew is a jew by blood line, not religieous belief. What about atheist Jews? Are they no longer Jews?

It was either orthodox Jews or Muslims that placed this bomb at a family's door under the auspices of a holiday gift...it wasn't a Messianic Jew doing the terrorism!?!? Maybe you meant to say the orthodox Jews are the supporters? Really, how did this even get posted?!

So, are you the one who left the bomb?

I'm shocked - how can anyone living in Israel think any kind of terrorism is good?

Then are Jews who don't accept Rabbis as ultimate authority by definition not Jews?

Laying aside personal beliefs and religous affiliations, hurting innocent people is never right and should never be accepted. Otherwise, we become just like the Nazi's, Hamas, Hezbolah, and all other fanatics who believe murder is the only way to get their point across. You have the right to disagree, but never the right to bring destruction upon the innocent. If you do not condemn this action, don't expect anyone to condemn the actions of those who seek to kill Jews around the world.

Into Jesus....not the Jews anymore. So some of you need to stop puting dirty laundry (rags) onto the back of Jews. Halacha does not say that a Jew who is a Christian is no longer a Jew....just a fallen Jew.

Wow...so who decides who's Jewish and who isn't? It seems that Jews can't even get this straight amongst themselves. Many in Jerusalem would claim that Tel-Avivans aren't Jews as a whole population! Is your Pharisidic Talmud distorting your understanding of Judaism? Are you to busy practicing ridiculous customs, rather than recognizing any kind of faith in your hearts? Keep reading your empty written prayers, instead of finding truth in the Torah my friends and praying from your hearts. God wants a relationship with his people, not mechanical dolls. But go ahead, keep telling yourselves Christian Jews are not Jews. Of course, a non-observant non-believing Jews is still considered a Jew, because after all- they're Jewish, right?

Furthermore, the issue of identity is most complex and can not be defined by outsiders. This is basic sociology. Even within the Messianic sect there are differences that fill out the broad spectrum between Rabbinical Judiasm to Jewish Christians.

In response to Nossontzvi: So hide behind your brotherhood and let others live in peace - don't blow them up because our forebearers received the same and worse treatment.

Kate b from the UK, I am sorry because I too would like to believe that neither Judiasm or Christianity is capable of this kind of violence. Bu that simply isn't the case. History is evidence against Christianity; and current events are evidence against Jews - the orthodox community has a very violent 'purity police'.

with that attitude, you should be a suspect!

Thank you for the sympathy, Lebanese Christian. You are both an Arab and a Christian, yet you have more sympathy for a Jewish family than most Jews in this forum.

Jews are more blessed than Gentiles if they believe in the Messiah and more cursed if they do not. The Gentile woman came to see Yeshua and when that was difficult, she was told by Yeshua, Why should he give the children's bread to the dogs (Gentiles)? She wisely replied that even the dogs eat crumbs from the Master's table. So Yeshua helped her because of her faith. She understood the covenant of salvation was given to the Jews first and then to the Gentiles. The Jews are the root and the Gentiles are a grafted on branch. Which is greater? A tree without a root dies. A tree without a branch grows another one. Yeshua put the Jewish race before the Gentiles. The Jews who look for their Messiah, past or future, are the root that is blessed more than Gentiles. The SATURDAY sabbath Christians are a grafted on branch. The Sunday Christians are mostly religious unbelievers like the Moslems and Hindus and Buddhists and HareKrishnas. Yeshua said religious unbelievers are the children of the devil, which the Sunday Christians have proven themselves to be for thousands of years as they worship "another Yeshua" called Jesus, a Portugese man's name not the name of the Messiah according to The Dictionary of Surnames by Oxford Press.

Not only left wing morons put words in your mouth . There are many others who do it , left or right , seculars or religious . But for some . it's a way to "discuss" .