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Sign of Jewish weakness
Yaron London
Published: 26.03.08, 11:58
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1. Author misinformed: Fatah took credit for the blast!
Dodi Maimon ,   Ariel, Israel   (03.26.08)
See Maan News: Fatah Batallion already took credit for blast that wounded Amiel Ortez. Messy Jews got to take a stand against arab moslem terror. Instead, they 'turn cheeks'. Soon their 'cheeks' will be full of shrapnel. Leftists love to bring rift between Jews & Christians: it serves their arab terrorist masters. 'Radical religious Jews' have a right to expose messys, but we will not bomb them. Christians should help Jews hold to the Land & fight terror. Or arabs will get them. That's G-d's will!!!
2. YES
DM   (03.26.08)
THE MACABEEM WERE WEAK TOO!!! PRAISE THE HELLENSTS!!
3. Although nothing compares to SHAS
Simon ,   TA Israel   (03.26.08)
In the same way that Shas has been conducting a hate campaign and inciting violence towards Israels gay jewish population the same people that serve in the army, pay taxes and work for a living. Their behavior is on a level not seen since the Nazi era where along with 6,000,000 jews 500,000 gay men were also murdered , why? because they were considered to be different!
4. London waaaay off target
JPS ,   Efrat   (03.26.08)
Yaron London sounds like he has almost no first hand experience with missionaries. He's got it totally backwards. Far from being "those who persecute missionaries", he fails to understand that the stated goal of missionaries is to undermine other religions. Missionaries are an intolerant cancer in any society, Jewish or other. They work to undermine any religion that is not theirs, and they do not hide their purpose. It is sheer stupidity to be tolerant of missionaries who themselves are by definition intolerant of Jews. The goal of these evangelistic Christians is to convert people to Christianity. The believe that only they know the "truth". Tthere is no such thing as a practicing Jew who believes in Christ, just like there is no such thing as a practicing Muslim or Buddhist or Hindu who believes in Christ - if they do, then they are a Christian. We do not fear "competition". We fear Christian missionaries whose goal is to subvert Judaism and Jewish society. London better read again about Freedom of Religion - it is the freedom to practice your beliefs without people trying to subvert them. Missionaries are subversives.
5. Missionaries
Jewess ,   Israel   (03.26.08)
As far as I know, the police are not sure who did this. These people were missionizing amongst Arab Moslems too and other Moslems were furious. I am against what was done to this boy. Missionaries should be thrown out of the country. We have one teeny, tiny Jewish country in the whole wide world, so missionaries: Stop bothering us.
6. London wrong - missionaries are subversives
JPS ,   Efrat   (03.26.08)
There is no "competition" when it comes to freedom of religion. The goal of missionaries is to convert people away from their religion and accept Christianity. Missionaries by definition are intolerant and have no respect for their fellow human beings. I do not "fear competition". I fear that a scumbag missionary will go after my family or friends and exploit any ignorance of Judaism to try and convert them to Christianity. Missionaries are by definition evil, hateful people who will only "love" you if you abandon your religion and go to theirs. Yes, the bomber should be arrested, tried, and jailed if found guilty. Yes, the injured boy should be visited. No, there should be no tolerance of missionaries in a non-Christian society. We show strength by rejecting missionaries. They certainly have proven that they reject us.
7. question
tal ,   israel   (03.26.08)
who is targeting who??!!
8. question
tal ,   israel   (03.26.08)
who is targeting who??!!
9. Violence - Missionaries - Confusion
Giuseppe ,   Italy   (03.26.08)
The issue as I see it is one of violence, not that those attacked were defining themselves as Messianic Jewish persons. I really am saddened by the confusion in some of the talkbacks from this article and the last article Ynet also had of this story. I don't like Mormons, JW's, Christian Scientists and others walking around Italy trying to convince others of their faith beliefs, but even though I don't like or agree with them, we should never hurt them! Jewish people must never resort to this kind of attacks on other Jews or Goyim even if we don't like them. It is dispicable and should be condemmed as such, period.
10. What's wrong?
daniel   (03.26.08)
First time I agree with Yaron London...
11. You have it backwards
JMK ,   NYC   (03.26.08)
It is the Christians who have an inferior product, who lie, distort and prey on people weaknesses, ignorance, stupidity, youth and infirmities, they have the weird religious theory and have the inferiority complex and steal another's holy books and twist it to destroy the Jewish people and allow only a few to survive to bear witness to their apostasy. Where are you coming from?
12. I guess Judaism will join Islam in the list of
Rami ,   Nazareth, Israel   (03.26.08)
UNTOLERENT religions
13. Sign of Jewish weakness
Gary Gibson ,   Fort Lauderdale, USA   (03.26.08)
I commend the wisdom of Yaron London and in particular his last sentence: "We thought that the Jewish State will free us of this fear, yet again it turns out that a prisoner cannot free himself; the prison is within the soul." Jew or Gentile, we are all men! As Cain was warned in Gen. 4 the Yitzer Ha Ra is in us all...and we choose to be captive to it. The scriptures clearly state...Hashem is our Savior and Redeemer....and believe me, He doesn't need our help! The commands and laws can all be kept by one word, correctly applied: LOVE. If we put Hashem first above all and then love our neighbor as ourself, we will truly be children of the Living G-d, and seed of promise given to Abraham!
14. This is a turf war among other Missionaries Freaks!!
dovid   (03.26.08)
If someone would review past police records they would know that the bombing was a turf war among other Missionaries Freaks in the area. The Missionaries Freaks use the same tactics as a rapist and preys on the weak. In the missionaries case they prey on the spiritually weak, desperate and poor. Missionary activity is illegal and they should have their Israeli citizenship revoked and sent packing.
15. What a violence against other thinking Jews!
Yishai   (03.26.08)
When one reads those talkbacks regarding Messianic Jews, it is scary to see how violent people become!!! I thought Judaism was a peaceful religion, but now I am starting to doubt this. The victims of the past become the agressors. Scary.
16. Excellent perspective
Len Hummel ,   Cebu, Philippines an   (03.26.08)
Your article give a reasoned and rational perspective on religious bias and hate. People ought to be able to share and defend their faith, ... those who hate them (or worse) seek to kill or injure them are no better than terrorists.
17. Sign of Jewish weakness
Carol ,   California   (03.26.08)
Yaron London needs to stay on the issue : a 14-year old boy was nearly killed by a terrorist act. Why the tirade about missionaries? --as if to infer "he deserved it." Consider this horrific act as not acceptable in the State of Israel to any person regardless of race, color, or religion.
18. yaron london
david ,   haifa   (03.26.08)
is a symptom of jewish weakness. He had no problem inciting violence against anti-disengagement protesters. He should go back to interviewing children where his lack of intellect and discrimination were not so obvious.
19. #15 - If you believe in jxsus you are not a practicing Jew.
dovid ,   modiin   (03.26.08)
If you believe in jxsus you are not practicing the Jewish religion and are not a practicing Jew. Israel is a Jewish country. We Jews are a very peaceful and caring nation. We are tolerant of other religions; however, we draw the line when other religions setup missionaries to prey on our weak. We have a few anti missionary organizations that educate those that have been misinformed and brain wash into believing its ok to be Jewish and believe in jxsus. Those anti missionary organizations would never do everything that is illegal and against the torah. Especially try to blow someone up. The bombing has nothing to do with us. Some of these missionary freaks have a hard criminal past and present. Do your homework and you will find out it is nothing more than a turf war between other xtian missionary and nothing to do with (real) Jews.
20. This column is a sign of ...
Ephraim ,   Tel Aviv   (03.26.08)
Yaron London's weakness. Israelis like Yaron London who target the Jews who fight against missionary activities are post-Zionist post-Jewish post-human morons.
21. Rami - you have it backwards
JPS ,   Efrat   (03.26.08)
We are very tolerant of other religions. You don't see Jews going out to convert Christians or Muslims. In fact, we're not allowed to do that. However, you do see Christians being very untolerant or intolerant and forcing their beliefs on other people. As Jews, we are offended, insulted and threatened by messianic Christians who do not tolerate us for our religion. If messianics will live their lives peacefully and not try to convert us, then we have nothing against them and they can live in peace. If they are intolerant and cannot leave Jews alone, then we will reject them.
22. #15, you are correct.
Anne ,   USA   (03.26.08)
These talkbacks are a perfect example, and this article is correct.
23. Fatah informed that they tried to kill the boy
Gerry ,   NYC, USA   (03.26.08)
Since it was the work of Fatah, this guy shouldn't attack Jews. This is a pure provocation by Mr. London.
24. author is an ignoramus
Esther M.   (03.26.08)
but that's par for the course in IL journalism
25. a challenge to Jews
Josie ,   Israel   (03.26.08)
People who get converted are those who don't find spiritual fulfillment in their present belief. How many Israeli Jews go to India and start practicing Hinduism or Budhism? Don't you think its time to think why and how? Jews are renowned to be intelligent. So think and find a solution. It does not pay to hurt/kill the messenger.
26. good news
david ,   california   (03.26.08)
Yeshua or Jesus or Joshua whatever his name, the Messiah was Jewish. The apostles and disiples were Jewish and the early church was Jewish . Christianity is a Jewish born religion proclaiming the "good news" that the messiah has come and faith in him will bring salvation and forgivness of sins. Today there are belivers and unbelivers just like back then. The message from a loving and compassionate and forgiving God is Good. Because evil men take the name of God and his message and do evil things does not make God and the message evil. Men are to blame and responsible for the evil they do. 15 year old Ami Ortiz' now lies in the hospital with severe shrapnel wounds from bolts and nails placed in the bomb -two broken arms- bolts in his lungs-3rd degree burns and hands and thigh were torn apart. The blast from the third floor broke car windows on the ground. This was fruit of an evil heart, Yet the Messiahs message to us is to pray for your enemies, love them, not there deeds but the persons soul because he is in deep danger of eternal judment and in need of a changed heart and salvation. This is the message of the Good news that Christ came into the world to save sinners. This is good news for us, not evil since we all need this salvation.
27. Goim!
Phoenix ,   Israel   (03.26.08)
The Self Called Messianicas aka Christians have no business in Israel. Shameless liars calling them selves Jews when they have nothing, nothing, nothing to do with us. Go away!
28. #1 - Dodi
Scott ,   Haifa   (03.26.08)
Most of the "Messys" children fight along side of the Jewish in the IDF against Arab radicals. The majority of the Messianic Jews absolutely hold to the fact that the land of Israel belongs to the Jews and that is why they fight in the IDF, even though they have the option to live a sweet life somewhere else. Turning the cheek applies to persecution for the gospel, but that won't stop them from pulling the trigger on a bomb laden terrorist...Christians do help you hold the Land, fight terror and believe in your right to be here.
29. #26 - david, Your messiah also said...
Joe ,   Ramat Gan   (03.26.08)
Your messiah also said that, "stone would not be left upon stone" when it came to the destruction of Jerusalem. There are, however, numerous structures in Jerusalem from the time of J*esus partially intact, with stone remaining upon stone- the Western Wall for one. J*esus is nothing more than a false prophet and certainly isn't Mashiach. Trying to argue the contrary is like trying to argue that the world is really flat. You have, by all means, the right to maintain erroneous beliefs, but pushing your erroneous beliefs onto others is not only a violation of Tora (which your messiah commanded you to observe), it just isn't a nice thing to do...
30. "Messianic Jews" are, more correctly, Hebrew Christians
Raymond from DC ,   Washington, DC USA   (03.26.08)
The Law of Return originally applied to those subject to persecution as Jews, even if they were not halachically Jews, but denied access under the Law to those who had adopted another religion, as in the famous case of Brother Daniel. Obviously, the immigration from the FSU shows that criteria is no longer enforced. London is right about one thing: Those who are neither knowledgeable nor proud of their Jewish heritage are the most vulnerable to missionaries. I had my own encounter with this cult - and it is a cult - years ago. So I know of what I speak. That some of them serve in the IDF is appreciated, but it is irrelevant. Non-Jewish immigrants from the FSU also serve, but they know better - or should - than to promote their Christianity to their fellow soldiers.
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