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Haredi parties rally to amend Bread Ban Act by Passover
Neta Sela
Published: 07.04.08, 16:54
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1. Law does more harm than good
Jeff ,   Jerusalem   (04.07.08)
I wish all of my fellow Israelis (and indeed, my fellow Jews around the world) would not eat chametz on Pesach. However, using the government to enforce this mitzvah will only exacerbate the divide between the religious and the not-yet-religious. Jewish education and the free market will curb chametz sales on Pesach far more effectively than a law ever could.
2. IDIOTS ! LISTEN !!!!
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (04.07.08)
DO WANT TO FOLLOW PHARAOH OR g-D. hAV E YOU FORGOTTEN Moses and Aaron who repeatedly confront the Egyprian pharaoh? Have you forgotten .." LET MY PEOPLE Go_ ".. so that may people may celebrate a festival fo Me in the wilderness. When you eat bread during these holy days you are saying the very words of Pharaoh..." Who is the Lord that i should heed HIM and let Isarel go ?" Think the importance of staying as " "MY PEOPLE " " the ONE PEOPLE " !!!! think ! OLMERT- LISTEN THIS IS NOT A CULTURAL ISSUE BUT THE VERY IDENTITY OF YISRAEL !!! EXPERIENCE THE DAYS HOW OUR FATHER AN MOTHER AND OUT BROTHER WERE LIBERATED. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THE REDEMPTION AND LIBERATION AND THE SALVATION BROUGH UPON US ON THAT DAY ? WILL YOU'LL DIE IF YOU SET YOUESELF ASIDE JUST FOR A FEW DAYS ?
3. Such a law simply can not work!
Eric ,   Montreal   (04.07.08)
Think of Israeli Arabs? Will they be subject to this law as well? Is it correct to force Israeli Arabs to eat Matza during the Passover period? Of course not! And if the answer is indeed no then what will happen with the numerous Arabic restaurants in downtown Haifa? Will they be selectively forced not to serve bread just because jews may want eat there? It all sounds like nonesense and impossible to manage. The whole thing is becoming ridiculous!
4. The International Court in the Hague?
Eric ,   Tel Aviv   (04.07.08)
Are they nuts? The International Court will not only uphold the decision to allow the sale of bread, but will probably require that it come with a kilo of bacon. This is the same court that ruled a nonviolent solution to terrorists is unacceptable.
5. Can't we instead pass a law to ban Haredi/religious parties?
DkS ,   J'lem, IL   (04.07.08)
I think that will be the only solution to mend fences between the secular and religious publics in IL. The longer these lunatics/fanatics are in the Knesset (or government for that matter) the more damage they cause to intra-Jewish relationships. It will surely help a hell of a lot more than banning the sale of leavened goods during Pesach. Plenty of seculars don't eat chametz during Pesach anyway. Now these freaks want to decide what can be on my plate or not during this period of the year or any other? Where is the coercion going to end? When are seculars and moderately religious people going to rise up and say "until here and no further?" It is none of their bloody business what I buy or eat. Nobody is forcing religious people to buy or eat chametz. Why do they think they have the right to force their way of life unto others? And most of all: why the hell do we LET them? What is WRONG with this country?
6. To Yitzak ben Shlomo
Pastaneta ,   NYC   (04.07.08)
Stop shouting... What I do or any other person do is NONE of your business... f I choose to eat bread or bake bread during Passover, I will do it... I don't need fanatics like you to try and impose their notions on me! BTW I love my bread machine...
7. Clean your own kitchen Haredi members
Yonatan ,   Nahariya   (04.07.08)
The Haredi Parties have been responsible for keeping the most corrupted government Israel has ever seen in power. The Torah tell us even the appearance of impropriety must be avoided. So how can these Haredi members disdain leavening in bread when their hearts and pocket books are full of it? These so called Haredi parties are sheckered and need replacing like all the other parties in the Israeli Government. Where do they think this ruling came from? It was up to them to bring down the government but their inflated love of money kept them from doing what was best for all of Israel. In Míshlê Shlomoh it says if you trouble your house you will inherit the wind. Stop worrying about the small things you Haredi members and do the big things that count. If you had taken down the government you would not be facing these problems!
8. #5 You'd love to ban religious parties and religious Jews
Miriam ,   Israel   (04.07.08)
from Israel. Hah? If that's the case and Israel has no Jewish values and completely Torahless, what right do Jews have to claim ownership of this country?
9. I back #5; #8 needs to learn...
Michael ,   Ra'anana, Israel   (04.07.08)
About the separation of church and state in a democracy. As long as Israel remains a practical theocracy, we will have no justification for calling ourselves a democracy. Just as the US cannot force democracy on the Iraqis, you cannot force the secular to become religious. Enough coercion already!
10. What a waste of Time
Silvana ,   Glasgow   (04.07.08)
Israel is sitting in the middle of all hell let loose and these idiots have nothing better to do than to ban levened bread??????????????? 8) So, if I eat Matzos at Passover can I claim ownership of Israel? Get your acts together this is not the time to be squabling like old women over Levened or not Levened
11. Sure Way For Haredi To Accept Bread on Pasover
karen US/Australia ,   Australia   (04.07.08)
Just tell Shas that the bread is laced with money and they'll get the biggest loaf.
12. Let them eat cake
mori   (04.07.08)
Haredi need a matza enema. i do not want anyone telling me what to eat anytime. Look i made a deal with god. he does not bother me and i do not bother him with my needs. we do our own thing whenever we want. moses (chuck) was a free spirit. who knows what was going on at those mountain get togetehrs with god. If god was so perfect in his thought and did not want me to eat a slice of beacon, he would not made the pig taste so good. So listen Haredi I will do what i want and i will eat matza on passover whether you like it or not. Makes one hell of a Ham sanwich. Try it !
13. To Pasteneta :)
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (04.07.08)
My post souldnt concern you if you are NOT A JEW ! Concerning your bread machine you may bury yourself together with that beloved bread machine, when your time comes : ) Be it know that the downward moral spiral of humankind, begining with the sin of adam and Eve, it didnot stop there at eden, it continued with the murder of abel and the killings committed by Lemech..it is all disobedience that opened many other doors to other sins.And the sin of disobedience originated from PRIDE, PUFFED UP EGO , the instruction was i,e NOT TO EAT FROM THAT TREE! NOT TO EAT PORK !..... it follows NOT TO EAT BREAD..if you know the test still continues to date.The quetion is if you want to obey or not by feeding your PUffed up ego! Listen if you have ears or you follow you disobedience and follow your ego and get inflated like the YIS and BREAD. Let me tell one or two things more about Micah's universalism and tolerance. " For let all people walk everyone in the name of his god and we will walk in the name of the Lrd G-d forever and ever. So you take note you walk your path and love your bread and bread machine, if that favours your taste bud. We will follow our Lrd the Lrd G-d of Redemption and Freedom. The Salvation of the Lrd G-d of Yisrael is in one people MY PEOPLE.What determines Gd's to remit judgement is His realization that the people were turning back from their evil ways. Be it known the emphasis of the ethical behaviour is charatheristic of ever Isralite. In the case of non- believers repentence is proven by an etical and behavioural, rather than a theological and ritual transfomation.We have the law , so be it we will keep it weather you, the like it or not ! We have the TORAH cross over this site if you have the obedience. Honor you parents, follow their advice and keep it.If you dont honor the special season that marks the Glory and Redemption of the Kind Act of Salvation you choose death but not life.You will not die if you dont eat bread for a few days. : -)
14. Passover and Bread War
mark ,   Canada   (04.07.08)
Thank Heavens I am not a Israeli who has to do without bread. Justice--we all scream for Justice. If we don't get what we see as justice we go somewhere else, and hopefully we will get what we want from another source. The way I see it, Someone went to court to overturn a ruling that allows bread to be sold. I would suspect that it was the bearded wonders, who would ban everything that "they" feel is not up to their brand of religion. I don't for a minute believe that they are a majority in Israel. I say, practice your religion in private with your God (not Allah), go to the temple you like, and bend your stiff necks before your God, and mind thine own business!!! No one is putting a gun to anyones head-- except for the Bearded Wonders who want to put a gun to every Israeli's head and tell them they must not buy bread on Pesach. Well, since the Bearded Wonders do no work (as far as I can see) except agitate for bread laws, I would say that the worker who may have to work 8-10 hours a day, just may not have had the time to buy bread . Should he go hungry, so that the non worker can order his life, to conform to a non workers brand of God?? I don't think so!!
15. To no. 8, Miriam
DkS ,   J'lem, IL   (04.07.08)
No, I do not wish to ban religious people from Israel. On the contrary, the woman of my life is (moderately) religious and I have tremendous respect for her and her family. I myself observe the holidays and visit synagogue occasionally. What I'd love to ban, is the ability of various sorts of zealots to dictate their often distorted values to others who do not share them and do not want them. Aren't there any serious problems in this country that need solving? Don't they think that the IC in The Hague has better things to do than deal with a case of religious nutters who wish to impose their practices on others? Jewish values go way beyond eating Matzot and forcing women to dress 'modestly'. If those are religious 'values', then they sure as hell are even emptier than the values of those secular Israelis who don't even know they're Jewish!
16. bread
colin   (04.07.08)
I hope the datim and the haridim read this mail.as I am informing them I will daily eat bread and rolls at Zion Square in Jerusalem EVERYBODY INVITED,
17. To Yizahak ben shloma hahamor
Pastaneta ,   NYC   (04.07.08)
I am a Jew, even a Cohen. And you can curse whatever you want, it won't move me a bit.
18. Haredim
Pastaneta ,   NYC   (04.07.08)
who dodge the draft, live off the income tax of others and only pray can shut up and try to reform themselves... They are a plague on the Jewish people, not the people who want to eat bread on Passover!
19. Is Judaism so weak...
Dorothy Friend ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (04.07.08)
... that it can be defeated by people eating as they please? Are we so unsure of ourselves that we have to stoop to the level of countries that forbid kosher slaughtering?
20. To Pastaneta of NYC
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (04.07.08)
Yeah right , self- claimed jew and a Cohen bread too :))))) LOL Instant Cohen , listen, for Cohen like you anything ( bread,bacon...etc ) goes there in NYC but not here.Instant Cohen , dont move. Sit where you belong !
21. it's wiser to follow Hashem's laws than oppose them-no bread
debra ,   usa   (04.07.08)
during Passover.
22. Olmert is ONLY worried about his Coalition falling apart!
klaus ,   Jerusalem   (04.07.08)
23. Seperation of Church and State....5,8,9
Abba ,   Rehovot, Israel   (04.07.08)
I agree with you 9, partially. I think the only real way to reconcile is to create a system of government that has a seperation between church and state. But I want to see the whole package. A true democracy, no identity as a jewish state, just a democratic one. Open immigration, representives to the kenesset being individually accountable to the constituents in the area they hail from, etc...All over the world, where a country is called christian, muslim, whatever, it's generally the case it shares a like majority. In fact, the only way to keep the jewish majority here would be to enforce demographic ensurances. I have no problem with anyone who doesn't want to be jewish, go be something else, BUT, don't pervert the way of my people and my ancestors people and turn it into something it's not.
24. #9 If "democracy" means giving up Torah and Jewish religion
Miriam ,   Israel   (04.07.08)
who says, Israel needs it? Israel's priority must be Torah law. If G-d's Torah can work together with democracy, we can have them both. But if not, then out with democracy. BTW as if Israel is a democratic country now. It's more democratic than the rest of the Middle East, but a far cry from a true democracy as in the U.S.
25. To Yitzakh ben Shlom
Pastaneta ,   NYC   (04.07.08)
Not instant Cohen... One by descent... And one who is also Israeli... And who doesn't like the talibanization of Israel... You and your memalmel are just useless...
26. To: Pastaneta al islamia of NYC
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (04.07.08)
This time, another new try eh ...instant by descent too eh.... ,,, Oi Vay ! . BTW instant imaginative cohen listen...look at you self- inflated ego...so puffed up....now stay relevant and engaged to Hashem.....or hang that bread / bacon over your neck...its caught between you tooth ....we see that clearly .....after just 2 post of yours ...quite ok for instant and imaginative Cohen like you...there in NYC ....now go wash you face ....see you .....cheers :-))))))))
27. as a "goyim"
Matthew   (04.07.08)
I have to say that the heated language between brothers on these talk backs is fascinating (and sad). However, I will weigh in, though I confess it is not my business. Whatever religion you hold to, I believe that religion by force is no religion at all. So God made the Torah and gave it to man. Fine! But Rabbis cannot force people to obey it. If you wish other Jews to be observant then you should lead by example. Invite secular Jews over for Shabbat! Don't look down your nose at them because they are different. Instead of always pointing out how other people are "wrong" show them what is right by your example. My grandmother used to say "you catch more flies with honey..." I think that is true with men as well. You can hardly blame seculars for resenting the Religious when it is that who, almost exclusively , give their time and their lives to defend the country, and when what they see of religious Jews is Shas, prostituting themselves and selling Jerusalem (isn't there something about that in the Torah?) for some govt. funding. Of course, perhaps the seculars could be more understanding and rather than ridicule religious belief be understanding ans realize that these beliefs mean alot to people. And try not to antagonize. I mean, does there have to be a gay parade in Jerusalem? That venue was acknowledged to have been picked because of the religious character of the city. Is that necessary?
28. Blame the judge
Josh ,   Beit Shemesh   (04.07.08)
for making a provocative, insane ruling that clearly goes against the intent of the current law. The proposed changes do nothing to change the current law that has been in effect for 20 years. It simply makes it more difficult for the next anti-Jewish judge to make an equally ridiculous ruling
29. You know...
Pastaneta ,   NYC   (04.07.08)
a fanatic like ben Shlomo when all he can do in a debate is insult others...
30. Levened Foods in Israel...
Chris ,   Boston, MA, USA   (04.08.08)
While I completely respect the religious traditions of those who follow them, there are plenty in Israel who are not religious (as Jews) or are not Jews at all. Why should they have the beliefs of some forced upon them? If a reform Jew/Christian/Arab were to throw bread at a celebrating Jew, this, I would find disrespectful, however, I cannot grasp how one group can force a view upon another group...
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