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Neturei Karta: Zionism Jewish nation’s true Holocaust
Neta Sela
Published: 01.05.08, 18:18
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31. It's unfortunately true
(05.02.08)
The government doesn't properly take care of the survivors with the reparations recieved- so the holocaust is a tool for the leaders of this dumb country to enrich themselves/the state
32. #4 There IS a cherem on them
Shalom   (05.02.08)
All other religious Jews despise what they stand for, and won't allow them to be part of their communities. They are a group of attention-seeking, uneducated wackos. One of the leaders is the son in law of the "Burka" lady, from Ramat Beit Shemesh, being held by police for child abuse.
33. Will Ynet stop
Alex ,   Toronto   (05.02.08)
reporting every time one of these crazies opens his mouth? They're irrelevant and just as good as Hizb and Iran. They've met with Ahmadinutjob and Nasrallah and hugged and kissed them fervently. Stop giving them prominence. Enough already.
34. Naturei Karta
Dave ,   Canada   (05.02.08)
To make them feel like "the good ole times", why not ask Putin to send over a regiment of Cossacks?
35. Pretend Jews who are paid to perform
GZLives   (05.02.08)
They were on Arafat's payroll and undoubtedly they are now on Ahmadiejad's. These people are the "Jews" the Anti Semites and Israel bashers pull out to show the world that they don't hate Jews at all "here are very pious Jews who agree with us" and point to this vermin. What's even more disgusting is all you're looking at are anti semitic whores who dress up as Jews and pretending to be legit for a price. They don't deserve a single word in any Israeli or Jewish publication.
36. Can't figure NK out
Cleopatra   (05.02.08)
Really cannot figure NK out, totally bizarre behaviour. I can understand standing up for the wrong things that Israel does but that should not involve belittling and/or denying their own people's suffering. Shocker
37. Naturei Karta are traitors, but on this point he's correct:
Hmm ,   USA   (05.03.08)
I don't support treasonous anti-Torah scum like NK, but he's right about one thing: "Zionists used the Holocaust in order to attain reparations, the Holocaust doesn’t interest them. They use the topic of the Holocaust cynically by exploiting it as a tool with which to establish a country and receive money, but nothing more than that.” This is unfortunately true. The fact that you think otherwise about your corrupt govt is sad and shows the level of ignorance that is pervasive. Look up some of the quotes of Weizmann and bengurion regarding the holocaust back when it was happening, and you will understand what this nutjob is talking about. Or some of the rescue efforts they prevented. Look at how the reparations did not get to the actual holocaust survivors, and you can see exactly what this guy is talking about. He's a wacko, his group is illegitimate, but in this instance that comment he said is true. Painful, but you can't ignore the truth just because it's coming from an evil naturei karta freakshow. I suspect that this is actually govt propaganda and that is the reason ynet reports on it (which everyone seems to be complaining about or wondering why). The more they have nutjobs and wackos like hamas and NK making absurd (in the case of hamas) or legitimate (in the case of that comment I quoted) grave accusations against the "zionists" the more people will ignore the REAL ISSUES and not look into the REAL CRIMES that were committed by the zionists against Jews. They will just get all riled up and say, AHH Not These NK Nutjobs again! These Hamas liars!..... But search for the kernel of truth. The rest is diversion to make you NOT think about it.
38. Hopefully G-d wisdom and justice will prevail
Nikmat Dam Avadecha ,   Hashapuch   (05.03.08)
As we know that PAL terrorists seek "soft" targets. If suicide bomber struck on Shabbat, the street would be closed off and police and "normal" people with arms would hardly come to the defense of their traitors. May G-d's will be done.
39. Zionism
Petr Vojta ,   czech republic   (05.03.08)
The bigest danger to real Jews living according the scriptures is Zionism and not constantly demonized Iran. Zionism is unfortunaly CANCER spreading to the whole world from Middle East. Very good "doctor" is needed and very quickly.
40. the NK - oxymorons
Hinda ,   SF Bay Area   (05.03.08)
The NK have aligned themselves with the terrorists for more years than was necessary. To even admit that your parent was in charge of the Jewish Affairs of Araputz's PLO regime would be to me a disgrace and something akin to what Hitler would have. But then again Araputz loved hitler's regime - and that in itself is a history lesson.
41. The doctor you had in mind #39 is Dr Mengele?
GZLives   (05.03.08)
Petr, I think you must have gotten lost on your way to the Guardian or BBC websites ... These posts are only laughable here and instant end of any credibility. Now you'll have to change your name since no one would bother reading anything from Petr in Czech Republic after this silliness.
42. Why does YNet give this fringe group airtime?
3JAy ,   ISRAEL   (05.04.08)
If i claim ro be the messiah, would you print that too? Very poor journalism.
43. Well...
sadunkal ,   Berlin & country   (05.04.08)
I'm not jewish (and I'm not a Nazi) and I never knew what Zionism was until a few weeks ago. I'm just looking for more information. I can understand the negative reactions in all these comments. But almost all of them are about NK's views about Israel's right to exist. I don't have a problem with Israel's existence. I just want to know what the future holds for Israel, and therefore the whole world. So could you please try to comment on the last paragraph too, where the rabbi says "Zionists used the Holocaust in order to attain reparations, the Holocaust doesn’t interest them...:" Obviously he's talking about the radical Zionists. (I suspect that many of you see Zionism as love for Israel.) Is he wrong? Why? I read very interesting articles about all this and I'm inclined to believe what he says about Holocaust.
44. To Gilad #13. NK people Should Be Re-Educated.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (05.05.08)
You write :".. they (i.e. Neturei Karta) know shockingly little about life or the world ". THAT means the Neturei Karta people should be re-educated by the Government of Israel. WHY ? Because we can NOT have ignorant people living in Israel, calling themselves Jews and behaving viciously anti-Israel. This anti-Israel mentality can NOT and should NOT be tolerated by the Government of Israel. CONCLUSION : No wonder that the State of Israel, who in a few days time will be celebrating her Sixtieth Birthday, has faced so many wars and is facing continued outside threats to her existence at the present moment. BTW no one should throw stones at them or their houses. WHY not ? Because that is NOT civilized.
45. To Petr Vojta #39. Being Blinded.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (05.05.08)
SO you regard Ayatollah-Iran as a safe-haven for "real Jews". I find this, your assessment, somewhat STRANGE considering the declaration by President Ahmadinejad to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. Don't you think the NK people will also be wiped out at that time by Iran ? You write :".. cancer spreading to the whole world from Middle East ". I would say it is radical islam which is spreading like a CANCER to the whole world from Middle East. Petr, how come you have not noticed their worldwide activities ? Have you become BLINDED by their, i.e. radical islam, preaching ? Because of being blinded -- you can't see things properly !! I think you need a "doctor" to treat your cataract.
46. You Can Pick Your Friends .....
Christy ,   Boston, US   (05.06.08)
.. but you can't pick your relatives, or those who claim to be of the same faith!! My condolences to those Jews who cringe when the group Neturei Karta is mentioned! I am a Christian who understands that not everyone who calls themselves a fellow believer, is someone you have anything in common with!!
47. re meir hirsch
Yves ,   simin   (05.07.08)
Halo First I want to say sorry to reply to this discussion. My opinion is surely totally non competent and very unwanted. Despite all that, allow me to join: Why? But people who suffered directly or indirectly (through their parents traumas) are often not declined to talk about these happenings like not inflicted people. They might just feel that their personal suffering is exploited. Ad in this case there might be a relation. Real suffering is simply hard or impossible to understand. You have to try to understand this more deeply and kindly... But of course it is difficult to be kind in times of war. Why? The relation between Zionism and Holocaust is a historical one. So you should also understand history. Holocaust as a genocid of a whole people with one specific believe was though not at all new in history. And even the word „holocaust“ has been used for exampe for the armenian genocide before the Jewish Holocaust. But of course, in order to explain their suffering people tend to feel that their suffering is unique in the world... Why? But why did Jews die in the Shoa? My parents were hiding Jews and risking their lifes thereby. My grandfather was killed clearly against his will in 2nd Wold War. I believe, that it is not GOD that kills Jews or other people for any reason. It is people who kill people. If GOD would kill people willingly he would simply be a murderer of first degree, right? You dont want to belive that. So it is actually ill or sick to believe that JEWs did die „because they assimilated and left the Torah teachings“ as Meir Hirsch does. But be kind and pitty the sick and suffering. What do you have to loose? Why? As Meir Hirsch says: You cant question GODs will. But nobody knows GODs will. And why shouldnt Israel have a state? Nobody really objects. People only and at all times want justice. And regarding the Moshiach and an the Israel state: who knows, Maybe the One Jews are waiting for already is and were here. How would it be possible otherwise? Ya, you have to be a believer in order to believe. Kind regards, Yves Gabriel
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