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Livni: Israel not seeking land grab in West Bank
Roni Sofer and AP
Published: 04.05.08, 18:38
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1. olmert investigation
alex   (05.04.08)
Game is over, olmert will not be able to overcome this one. If he goes to jaoil which is a possibility, he will collapse. This will be repayment for the damage he has caused israel including needless israeli deaths. All of his subordinates will pay the price in the next elections for supporting this weakling. At the least, Livni should have resigned instead of meekly going back to work under Olmert, the neville chamberlain of israel and the author the gaza withdrawal.
2. Tweedly Dee will be replaced by Tweedly Dumber!
jason white ,   afula,israel   (05.04.08)
Let us have new elections now. We need leadership and not slaves to world opinion.
3. I can assure you Kadima has no agenda period
aaron ,   ra'anana   (05.04.08)
except self-enrichment
4. American-Israeli relations.
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (05.04.08)
As Hamas gains political ascendancy in Gaza, Iran exports Islamic radicalism throughout the Middle-East, Lebanon faces the possibility of a Syrian-backed Iranian-funded Hizbullah revolution and Iraq explodes into sectarian violence, the least we can say is that American hegemonyin the Middle-East is shaky. A s a result of this reality, the Bush Administration has made a calculated, tactical foreign policy shift back to supporting “moderate” secular dictators and despots over “aggressive” Islamic dictators who represent a greater threat to American interest. In so doing, it has chosen what it considers to be the lesser of the two evils. Non of this will work in Israel favor as noticed at : http://xrl.us/bj5qh
5. Livni wants quick resolution to Olmert's LATEST scandal??
hymie zoltsveis ,   NYC USA   (05.04.08)
Of course Livni wants the LATEST Olmert scandal to end. She has a ham in the oven that she wants to eat, AND she does NOT want her suicidal giveaways to end. One way or another, Livni and Omert must go. They are suicidal anti-Zionists
6. Occupation is a 40 year long land gab
Micha ,   IL   (05.04.08)
7. I agree with #2
eddie ,   london UK   (05.04.08)
Olmert was a replacement to Sharon, but he didnt have the stature or experience to be PM. Now Livni, who was - nobody - is going to takeover from Olmert. What a sad joke!
8. please dismiss peres & co also!
jan ,   holland   (05.04.08)
Gush Katif forever!
9. I Promise We Will Keep Building Here In OUR Land
Yishai Kohen ,   YeShA, Israel   (05.04.08)
With G-d's help. If the Arabs want to live Jew-free lives, thn they'll have to do it elsewhere- in THEIR 99.9% of the Middle East. And if they continue to be greedy and try to steal OUR tiny 1/10th of 1%, then they will end up with LESS than the 99.9% that they currently occupy.
10. Stop the coming disaster now!!
Y ,   N   (05.04.08)
There should be no pali state. It will be a miniature state, overcrowded and living on international aid. A hotbed for islamistic fundamentalism and dispised by its arab neighbours. The solution is simple. Gaza goes toe Egypt and Israel and Jordan egrees on a comon border in Judea and Samaria. This is the only solution. Say no to a pali state!!!
11. Fire Livni!
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (05.04.08)
Israel needs land. Our little country is growing rapidly. The centers are congested and we are choking in traffic jams. We are being forced to live one on top of the other in crowded apartments on narrow streets. We don't have land to bury our dead. We need land. The greatest gift we received was the victory in 1967 which has allowed us to settle in our historic land, for the first time in 2000 years. This is the Land of Israel, the home of the Jews. Every inch of this land is ours to settle and we must be allowed to do this freely and in safety. It is axiomatic that G-d gave this land to the Jewish people alone as sole proprietors. Mrs. Livni has no authority to abandon that right.
12. Stop with the explanations already
Reality Check ,   BaGolan   (05.04.08)
Time for the palis to do the explaining" Why is it that the palis were given full control of gaza and showed their appreciation not by seeking further peace but by mass murder and terror? Why is it that the palis released from our jails as good will gestures are allowed to immediately returned tot heir terror cells? Why is it that the palis have revolving doors in their 'prisons' for terrorists? Why is it that pali schools OPENLY teach and promote hatred of Jews without any comment from Rice or the UN? Let the terrorist palis start to eplain their actions before we do anything further!
13. # 10 borders....
Jan ,   Holland   (05.04.08)
Mirror the exact size of Yesha inside Jordan, mirror also the exact size of Gaza and the Golan to the other side of the Israeli borders. Expanding is the answer to terror!
14. Livni: but Jews will kill us if we don't
observer   (05.04.08)
15. Truly hideous
Chrisona ,   Chicago.IL   (05.04.08)
"Livni pointed to Israel's 2005 withdrawal from the Gaza Strip as proof that Jewish settlements "are not obstacles." A truly hideous thought and an unforgivable comment.
16. Jason White, Afula, Israel: "Slavery"
Steve ,   Fla.   (05.04.08)
Jason, is there a Jew in Israel that is not a "slave" to world opinion? That does not have a seville mentality? I don't believe there is. You've got the government you deserve Jason. Don't you? Look at your average Jew in Israel. Ask him. Say: "Aren't you a slave?" Every Jew in Israel has got to be a slave to world opinion, otherwise Olmert would not be "king" / prime minister in Israel. Kadima would not be in power! Just as we have Bush -- this pathetic leader -- because the American people deserve him, so you have Olmert Jason because your fellow Jews like him or are satisfied with corruption or are apathetic or they are at the beach in Tel Aviv or what have you. You have the government you deserve Jason because your fellow Jews like being slaves. You are a bunch of slaves.
17. Olmert is a crook and Livni ia an idiot
Leah ,   Netanya israel   (05.04.08)
If Israel was to pull out of the Shomron and Judea then kassams will be fired at Netanya, Kfar Saba, petach Tikva, Jerusalem, Afulah, Tiberius.....should I continue? Now you dont have to have much in the brain department to work that out do you ms Livni? Now if you were to learn Jewish history ms Livni this land is not yours to do what you want . It belongs to the Jewish people forever, deeds are in the Bible.
18. THE REAL STORY OF THE "PALESTINIANS" IN JUDEA, SAMARIA,
Norway   (05.04.08)
AND THE GAZA STRIP http://www.rotter.net/israel/ EYEWITNESS TO RAMALLAH LYNCHING "I know that I'll have nightmares for the rest of my life." http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/lynchwit.html THIS IS THE ENEMY http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/3732
19. forgive us for building houses on our land?
yahn goodey   (05.04.08)
our weak "leadership" invites bullies to think that they have us on the run-----in fact the land grabbers couldn't find such champions in their own ranks ----abbas and his mafia gang--who are not interested in the land so much as they are interested in exterminating all of us-------if they could get rid of us they would turn back to what they do best anyhow--------fighting amongst and murdering each other.
20. demands of leadership
alex   (05.04.08)
There are times when israeli leaders have to stand up and say no to their friends like the US.Begin attacked osiraq, he didn't seek permission from the US. In 67, when israel preempted they did so against the good wishes of the US. Livni failed when she didn't resign from olmert's gov't, and when she cannot say no to Rice. Barak is almost a total failure but he acts like a chicken acceding to every US request. Livni cannot be PM as she failed the test. Olmert is only there because of sharon's stroke. It now appears that he will be caught in his own web of corruption, but regardless as Oren points out, he must be removed from the PM as he has lost 2 wars and is out of his depth.Gillerman, Shteinitz have some steel in themand along with Yaalon can lead israel. Olmert, Barakl, Ramon, Livni and Mofaz and Yishai have to go as they have eroded israel's deterrence. A new generation of leaders is required.
21. Thank You Minister Livni
Jerrold Cohen ,   Seal Beach, USA   (05.04.08)
Thank you, Minister Livni, but a quick look at maps showing the shrinkage of the area of the West Bank controlled by Palestinians over the past 60 years immediately makes you out to be a liar. There is no question that Israel is a land thief from the maps. A child studying a first class in geography can clearly see it.
22. "Jerrold Cohen" Forgetting Pali terror ?
GZLives   (05.04.08)
sorry "Jerrold or whatever your name really is but like the usual Islamist/Leftist selective memory, you simply forget that Arab terror and murder has caused their land to shrink and NOT any so called land grab that you'd like to ascribe to Jews. of course I have little doubt from reading posts by you that you'd feel quite comfortable with all the usual stereotypes of Jews from the last few centuries. Here's something to think about Jerrold or Mahmoud as I believe your name is closer to ... Had the Arabs NOT attacked Israel in 48 instead of the 150,000 of them who stayed behind in Israel and now enjoy a better life then they would in any other ME country, there'd have been no Arab pushed out, no Arab village which was in fact used as Arab military bases during Israel's war of independence, destroyed, and you'd have nothing to chastise Jews about. Alas, your Arabs couldn't resist the same urge they so clearly continue to manifest. That urge to kill infidels and especially Jews. The only land grab Mahmoud "Cohen" is the one you Arabs have been actively attempting for 60 years only to come up against us time and time again. And if you continue to try, you will end up with less then nothing. In case you're missing it, you can see here, we've all lost any patience with this and are all on the verge of supporting full scale all out war with a clear winner and clear loser and I think you know where that will end ... So take your talk of "land grab" and stick it where the Florida sun DON'T shine ... "Jerold" :)
23. But the question comes...
GUH   (05.04.08)
Why are settlements being built in the West Bank? What possible reasons are there for doing this deed which is, as explained a thousand times over, an illegal act under international law for which you have flagrantly violated in the last forty years and counting? After all, the cost of building the settlements and maintaining their inhabitants is quite immense. Then there are the security concerns as settlers are openly hostile to the Palestinians they live among. I reiterate: Why are settlements still expanding? Is it in retaliation to anything? Admit, Mrs. Livni, that the purpose of building these settlements are only to annex as much of Palestine as possible; while you continue to convince Mahmoud Abbas that peace is "just around the corner," you keep building them. From the day that the Oslo Accords to 2006 the number of settlers in the West Bank has risen from 111,600 to 282,400. I'm sure you're very familiar with "Saint" Baruch Goldstein and his treachery. Such will eventually sabotage these "peace talks" you are running and open another round of violence. Is this your intention? Because it seems to me it most certainly is. It is exactly how you even became a state, from a small to large minority (you were still a minority before the partition); you were like the settlers of the West Bank, immigrating and squatting in streams with the British Army as your protector (rather than the IDF); what happened when these British did not let you continue your work? You can ask your father that question. See how he'll answer!!! BEGONE THIEVES!!!
24. GRAB? JEWS SHOULD EXPAND AND ENJOY THE LAND.& RETURN JORDAN
.ISRAEL WANTS JORDAN ,   RETURNED......DACON9   (05.04.08)
25. # 23 ISRAEL TOOK CONTROL OVER THE SO-CALLED "OCCUPIED
Norway   (05.05.08)
TERRITORIES," AS A RESULT OF DEFENSIVE WARS! THE ARAB POSITION, WHY IT IS CALLED OCCUPIED TERRITORIES: * The 1956 war was a result of a conspiracy between France, the United Kingdom and Israel in violation of Egypt's sovereignty. Egypt claimed several legal justifications for refusing Israel use of the Suez Canal, including the right of self-defence." THE ISRAELI POSITION: In contradiction to the UN Security Council Resolution of 1 September 1951, Israeli and Israel-bound shipping was prevented from passing through the Suez Canal, the blockade of the Straits of Tiran was tightened. Incursions into Israel of terrorist squads from neighboring Arab countries for murder and sabotage increased. The Sinai peninsula was gradually converted into a huge Egyptian military base. Upon the signing of a tripartite military alliance by Egypt, Syria and Jordan (Oct. 1956), the imminent threat to Israel's existence was intensified. CLEARLY AN ACT JUSTIFYING WAR! PRE 1967 SIX-DAY WAR: PERSISTENT SYRIAN ARTILLERY BOMBARDMENT OF NORTHERN GALILEE FOR 19 YEARS! Arab terrorist raids across the Egyptian and Jordanian borders. Massive military build-ups by the neighbouring Arab states. Egypt moving large numbers of troops into the Sinai desert, ordered the UN forces out of the area. Blockade of the Straits of Tiran, military alliance with Jordan. ISRAEL FOUND ITSELF FACED BY HOSTILE ARAB ARMIES ON ALL FRONTS. AS ISRAEL'S NEIGHBOURS PREPARED TO DESTROY THE JEWISH STATE, ISRAEL INVOKED ITS INHERENT RIGHT OF SELF-DEFENCE, LAUNCHING A PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE against Egypt, Jordan and Syrian forces on the Golan Heights. THE ARAB POSITION: "The war in 1967 was an unprovoked act of aggression aimed at expanding the boundaries of Israel, and the territories captured during this war are illegally occupied." "The territories must be ceded in order for peace to be achieved." ALL THE WARS WERE IMPOSED ON ISRAEL BY THE ARAB STATES. PLO, Hezballah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad etc, are all military tools of different Arab regimes, that are continuing the war - which their own armies once lost. "Where the prior holder of territory had seized that territory unlawfully, the state which subsequently takes that territory in the lawful exercise of self-defense has, against that prior holder, better title." (Stephen Schwebel, 1970) FROM WAR TO WAR WITH ISRAEL: http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts%20About%20Israel/History/HISTORY-%20The%20State%20of%20Israel
26. how many settlements inside the green line?
(05.05.08)
zero settlements means no land grap
27. To Islamists and their Leftist useful idiots
GZLives   (05.05.08)
adding a porch to one's home in Tel Aviv is a "land grab " screw them all ...
28. Livni should share a jail cell with olmert, perfect pair.
Bunnie Meyer ,   Santa Monica,CA USA   (05.05.08)
29. There is NO land grab
Brod ,   USA   (05.05.08)
The West Bank belongs to Israel since the time of their forefathers 4000 years. Modern Israel is in Ancient Israel as a fulfillment of GOD's Covenant of restoring Modern Israel in Ancient Israel. Jeremiah 31:1-17, Ezekiel 36:24-38, Ezekiel 37:21-28 and Ezekiel 39:27-29. The usurpers of Israel's land are the Islamist-Jihadists who originated from Southwestern Arabia in the 7th century. Israel has all the rights in the world to develop and bloom its liberated biblical and historic homeland of Judea and Samaria.
30. We Already Have It!
David ,   Israel   (05.05.08)
I'll let FM Livni in on a dirty little secret: there's nothing left to grab. We already have Judea and Samaria. The fact that we pretend not to, and don't want to stand up and say it outright, doesn't change the fact that we control Judea and Samaria. Its was ours, is ours, and always should be ours. Building on your own property isn't a "grab." The fact that there have been various squatters here since the second commonwealth doesn't nullify the deed. Go build woman, and get over yourself.
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