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German prof.: Sportsmen slain in Munich knew of pending attack
Eldad Beck
Published: 29.06.08, 09:19
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1. Professor Arnd Krüger
Voice of Reason ,   Here & Now   (06.29.08)
Anouther in the growing list of fools who think they have something to say. Too bad this "high class" news service chooses to give these kind a platform. But we have learned to expect that from this "site.
2. his trusty copy of mien kamph always at his side.
Yonatan ,   Nahariya   (06.29.08)
Nazis are alive and well in Germany. Three percent of the German population still believe in the Nazi party and support it. That is a staggering eight million plus Germans and only the ones who openly admit their support! This absurd prof probably also wears foil on his head so the mossad cannot read his thoughts. Lets turn the tables and declare open hunting season on all nazis and sympathetic supporters, dead or alive but hopefully dead.
3. Variations on an old theme
Chaia ,   Netherlands   (06.29.08)
This is not new, but a variation on the theme that the Jews staged the Holocaust in return for the State of Israel; one that most Arab governments propagate and anti-semites like to believe in.
4. BS
gabriela ben ari ,   Jerusalem   (06.29.08)
5. A Storm In A Tea Cup
Abdel Karim Salim ,   Jerusalem - ISRAEL   (06.29.08)
I would say that German professor came up with this inconceivable conclusion to stir a big fuss in media circles for the ultimate purpose of making headlines and gaining considerable publicity. Yet there are countless people who firmly believe the 1973 Yom Kippur War was a pre-arranged plan with the full knowledge and consent of some senior Israeli government officials since, they argue, Israeli military intelligence was fully aware of the Egyptian and Syrian army deployments in an offensive posture both west of the Suez Canal and on the Golan Heights.I do remember very well the late Israeli chief of staff David Eliazer publicly made a threatening statement to both Egypt and Syria almost one week before the outbreak of that war on October 6,1973...
6. German security
israeli ,   israel   (06.29.08)
must have also known, that's why the security arrangements were lax.
7. #2, #6
Chris ,   Mainz, Germany   (06.29.08)
Yonatan: I mostly agree with you, except for three percent being "only" 2.5 million people here (no denying that this is still far too high a number of course). Israeli: Actually from what i know, they were so lax during the entire olympic games, in all areas, to show a more friendly and open Germany where you don't have security people and policemen everywhere - which the terrorists then abused.
8. There is severe logical mistake in his thysis
John ,   Europe   (06.29.08)
Athletes DID NOT KNOW that Golda will order revenge. And they did not have any way of knowing this, specially that this kind of Mossad operation was NEVER performed before. So, they did not have any reason to sacrifice themselves, for it would not gain anything.
9. WOHA
Yisraeli   (06.29.08)
whats all this talk with accusations of anti semitism, nazism? I dont get it. Is someone reading what I read in another language? I dont know what others read but what I read him saying is that the athletes knew of the poor security and knew they would be putting their lives on the line by staying there yet stayed by showing no fear and standing up for our country in face of the possible threats, as the jews of Hebron who did not allow themselves to be intimidated by the arabs. If he was saying anything it was as to how brave the Israeli athletes were. So what the hell did he say was anti semetic? where is he displaying himself as a nazi? I dont get it.
10. #7, Chris
israeli ,   israel   (06.29.08)
I was just kidding. I am too young to remember, and although I have seen and read quite a lot about the tragic event, it's not like it is unfolding live, in real time. Still, it is a harsh thing coming from a prominent professor. I mean to suggest that these athletes accepted the role of "sacrificial lamb" just like that. Or that perhaps they committed some sort of collective suicide. Yes, it is some sort of twisted blood libel. You know, in fact, Hamas, Iran, Al-Qaeda, Hizbollah, etc., are threatening us with destruction. In 1967 Nasser threatened to drive us into the sea (again, something that I only read). Yet in fact we continue to live in Israel. Does that mean that we are knowingly sacrificing ourselves for the sake of our country? I think this professor's remarks are in very poor taste. And due to the fact that we uphold freedom of ideas and speech and similar values of modern day democracy, people should think twice before they open their mouths. You know, a sort of si tacuisses. Or as our own learned scholars said: "Ye, wise ones, be careful wIth your words!"
11. Wat's the Point?
Mike ,   USA   (06.29.08)
Why complain about other being anti-semetic, or Nazism, and forget democracy. For those living in Israel, you have the Olmert Machine. The most corrupt, dictator like fool in any democracies history. Forget, the past, because it is repeating itself. Olmert is allowing it, because he is the reason for Israel's slow decline into its end. I think all who died for the State of Israel have been dehumanized more then the words if some idiot professor. Just look at the actions of your government.
12. Am I reading the same article?
GZ ,   NYC, USA   (06.29.08)
Was the security at the Olympic village inadequate? Of course it was. Was the Israeli team aware of that? Most likely. Nothing anti-Semitic about stating that. Did the Israeli athletes make a "decision to stay, sacrifice themselves"? Although one can't say it quite that way there is nothing anti-Semitic about it. On the one hand you have a one in a lifetime chance to participate in the Olympics, on the other -- a possibility of a terrorist attack. Most likely they decided to stay simply because it is a human nature to hope for the best.
13. israelis arent suicide bombers
us ,   florida, us   (06.30.08)
israelis aren't suicide bombers - unlike some people, jews actually value life. i dont think that israelis would have put knowingly put themselves in that situation - to be martyrs? no.
14. Bad work, professor
Soeren ,   Cologne/Germany   (06.30.08)
The security situation was not good at the Olympic village. The games should be the "happy games" and, more important, the German police was quite unprofessional at these times when it comes to terrorism. Professional anti-terror units (GSG 9) were built-up only AFTER this terrorist attack. The only ones who knew that a terrorist attack would occur were the terrorists themselves. The German authorities were perhaps a bit naive while the Israelis probably knew that there's always a risk in life. Life has always been a bit risky for Israelis because of terrorist threats. But nobody knew about this specific assault. The real scandal was the behaviour of the Bavarian government after the assault – they refused to let in Israeli special units ("sayeret matkal") which were far more experienced, far more professional, had specialized equipment and weaponry and knew the terrorists. Germany at these times had only some ordinary police forces and some paratroopers (who didn't even have radio communication and finally even shot accidentally on each other). The scandal today is that there is a professor in Germany who engages in a "blaming the victim"-solution (giving the victims "their share" to what happened) – when he connects Israeli culture to an alledged "readiness for a sacrifice". Knowing that there might be an abstract risk becoming a victim of a terrorist attack is totally different than intentionally sacrificing himself. While some of the sportlers were desperately fighting against their murderers – I'm sure nobody "intended" to "sacrifice" himself. Bad work, professor... go home...
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