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Keep them out of Knesset
Esterina Tartman
Published: 01.07.08, 16:11
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1. Thank you, Esterina!
Enzo ,   london,uk   (07.01.08)
This very important new bill is a great step forward and it will safeguard the Country against the dangers of hypocrites and traitors.
2. make martyrs out of mole hills
Pontius Pilate ,   Apollonia   (07.01.08)
banning these people from the knesset absolves them of the responsibility of being politicans who are judged by their voters on their effectiveness. with their banishment they will no longer have to worry that they have not improved the lot of their people; they can now claim they are being politically persecuted. sometimes it is better to just look the other way and let people like these make some noise. afterall, i seriously doubt Ahmed Tibi poses an existential threat to israel. indeed, had Pontius Pilate decided not to crucify some strange cult leader with annoying political opinions named Yeshu history would have taken a very different course
3. ONCE IN A WHILE
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (07.01.08)
Ynet gives people who believe in our srtength and dignity a change to voice their opinion. As a media outlet with a very welknown anti Jewish agenda this is still very rare and should be praised. For someone to state some clear facts and truths on this website is refreshing and unusual. Maybey we will witness some more objective journalism by Ynet.
4. Brilliant! At long last!
Sheila ,   Jerusalem Israel   (07.01.08)
5. The Arab citizens of Israel.
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (07.01.08)
The Arab ideas aimed at the elimination of Israel, which have remained unchanged since its establishment in 1948, are now shared by the Arab citizens of Israel who openly define the establishment of the State, whose prosperity and security, freedom and democracy they enjoy, – "nakbah" – "catastrophe." Their representatives in the Knesset, who swear allegiance to "the State and its laws" as well as the media that speaks for them, demand the elimination of the Jewish character of Israel, and the abolishment of the "Law of Return" which guaranties that the State of Israel is the Jewish Home. They also demand that all its Jewish symbols (flag, emblems, national anthem) should be eliminated, and that it should become "the State of all its citizens," - in other words, it should be prepared to turn into an Arab state as described at : http://xrl.us/bi3hx
6. 100%correct!
oded   (07.01.08)
it is this debilitating desire to have everyone love us, that propel israeli goct. in the past to alow our 5th colum arab citiziens to be elected as equal partners to the knesset. dumb move! they are contributing nothing to us or their cinstituants , and only muddle the pond! good for you esterina , a voice of sanity!
7. Many nations are destroyed from within by traitors.
Rivkah   (07.01.08)
8. 5 - don't overgeneralize
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (07.01.08)
your claim stands next to "all jews are colonial zionists". of course it is not true, but neither are your claims about "arab ideas" shared by israeli arabs. if you look and listen carefully to the non-sensationalized news, which reports mostly only the negative things, (or better yet, come here and find out for yourself) you'd learn that your generalizations are overstated. for example: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3559045,00.html
9. MK Esterina Tartman - well said.
Dara ,   Rosh Ha Aiyn - Israe   (07.01.08)
10. FIFTH COLUMN GIVES YOU CONFLICT & LESS PEACE OF MIND
MOSHE ,   US   (07.01.08)
YOU CAN NOT LIVE NEXT TO THESE arubs WHEN YOU HAVE THEM IN YOUR BELLY ( SUCH AS THE W-BANK ), ON YOUR HEAD ( SUCH AS THE JUDEA & SUMARIA IN THE NORTH ) AND IN YOUR FACE ( SUCH AS GAZA ) WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO LEARN THAT YOU MUST HAVE MORE SELF ESTEEM THAN TO ALLOW THE arubs TO HARM YOUR LOVED ONES. FORGET WHAT OTHER NATIONS SAY, THEY WILL NEVER LOVE US, AND THEIR MORAL & ETHICAL CHARACTER GOES AS FAR AS THE DOLLAR BILL. GROW UP & KICK THE arubs OUT NOW. EVEN FROM THE WEST BANK & GAZA. GET THEM OUT ! NO PAY OFFS. ORDER THEM TO LEAVE NOW ! OTHERWISE, JEWISH IMMIGRATION WILL END & JEWISH ISRAELIS WILL EMMIGRATE.
11. Arab votes=undemocratic
Antonio ,   Haifa   (07.01.08)
The reason for democracy (a.k.a. political voting) is to have self-determination. So how can the Jewish people have self-determination in our own country, if we allow foreigners to vote and influence our elections? The next step needs be to end Arab voting rights altogether. This is not an Arab country, they are foreigners here and should not be allowed to spoil our democracy.
12. great translation
yoni   (07.01.08)
I am sure Estrina coulnd't right such a good article, the translator "saved her"!
13. When you talk about "state"- real state
John ,   FL, US   (07.01.08)
Here we don't have state, instead Zionist entity colonial project, that have the temporary force which allow them to steal land, assassinate people, attack other countries, to preserve the interests of group of fanatics and western interests, because of that your racist analysis don't make sense
14. And for this, they called Esterina Tartman a Fascist?
Jake   (07.01.08)
15. At last :a NORMAL contributor in ynet !!
trumpeldor ,   eurabai   (07.01.08)
16. MK's bigotry..so what next, home confisctaions?
Edithann ,   USA   (07.01.08)
Israeli's a great democray..only for Jews... It's alright to have dual loyalists in America and in all of Europe...but not in Israel... Oded,:,what makes 5th columnists so objectional for Israel when there are Jewish /Israeli 5th columnists in every government around the world..especaily in the UK, US, France, Italy, Germany..and on and on...do you deny it?....
17. #11 only knows Zionist history, not real history!
Edithann ,   USA   (07.01.08)
Antonio, for someone who lives in Israel you don't remember that the Palestinians are the original owners of the land..and were displaced by force of arms...Palestine is an Arab country and Palestinians rightful owners...
18. #17 This is real history? This is rubbish.
Jake   (07.01.08)
"Palestinians are the original owners of the land..and were displaced by force of arms...Palestine is an Arab country and Palestinians rightful owners." There is no such a country called 'Palestine' in history, ever. Even the Renaissance and explorers' maps, one after the other, call the land Judaea. Including the first world map ever to use the name America (1507). The vast majority of the land of Mandate Palestine was not privately owned, and even the land that belonged to Arabs mostly belonged to absentee landlords and not Palestinians. You also failed to address the extremely valid points raised in this article. An Israeli Member of Knesset cannot be allowed to travel to and fraternize with enemy states.
19. Estarina is hot!
AJ ,   Washington, DC   (07.01.08)
20.  5ft colums
to edithann---   (07.01.08)
by defenition are treacherous, anti-the state they reside in.. no, i don't see your point at all- - you don't see us congressman from iraqi or iranian descent, preaching and advocating for the the destructions of the usa. the will be out of office in 24 hrs. as for the"" land of palestinans""-- are you serious? there has never ever been the land of palestin , there 's no palestinan language, culture ,religion , tradition, or any """palestinian""" sign of statehood or people. it is the greatest myth of the 20th century, invented by arafat in cairo in 1964.... well before there was any """occupation"", which is another bs myth..... read real history recounts , like mark twain's recount of the land of israel in the 18th century. no arabs , just hard working jewish immgrants , turning the land into oasis....
21. Keep out everyone who did not serve in the I.D.F.
jason white ,   afula,israel   (07.01.08)
Irregardless of religion.No arabs,then no hara-dim,no new immigrants or ones that did not serve. Enough with those that never defended Israel passing laws and determining our future. And anyone who has not done reserve duty in the last three years should not sit in the knesset. Except for army invalids!
22. Hypocrisy
Faraz ,   Meldreth, UK   (07.02.08)
Perhaps those whio lie on their CV's should also be excluded from the Knesset. Oh no, but that was only a minor oversight, wasn't it Ms Tartman...? With people like that making policy, this law comes as no surprise.
23. Interesting Parallel
Faraz ,   Meldreth, UK   (07.02.08)
Wasn't this same point of view expressed about the Jews in Germany in...oh.....1933? How ironic that an Israeli should make such a statement....and how pathetically sad.
24. Palestine = Jordan
Yoni ,   Jerusalem   (07.02.08)
The UN partition never indicated a country by the name of palestine. Palestine was the entire area of what is modern day israel and jordan. The borders of Israel were of course altered by war as happens to every country throught the history of the world. A new state called palestine is just coming up now only because the jordanians reject the palestinian refugees and deny them citizenship. Israel has gained much land through wars that were waged against her but in the end we must work with the present and not the past. Today Israel is Israel and it is impossible to try to relive 1948 or 1967 since things changed drasticaly over the last few decades. Jordan is the real homeland of the palestinians and is occupied by a vast majority of palestinians today. This is the only real solution to the palestinian problem. Nothing Esterina said should be considered news. Oh you mean we shouldnt have traitors in the knesset making decisions? wow what a good idea I cant believe that this actually made news!! how sad!
25. To number 24
Observer   (07.02.08)
Israel did not exist, and the people who created it are not natives of this land and are all invaders... You are not a population from within that gained land and so forth... This is not Bosnia and Serbia... The best description of modern Israel is that it resembles the Kingdom of Jerusalem established by the crusaders...
26. I don't agree
Israeli   (07.02.08)
Actions that truly put the state in danger should be outlawed. me or an mk going to Syria does not put our country in danger in any way this law is stupid. any information Tibi can givein person can be sent through an email. Faraz- what does this law have to do with 1933? did the nazis have the same law?
27. #17 There's one history Edithann
Cynthia ,   USA   (07.02.08)
And you're not in a position to distort it. Palestine was never a country. In addition, an estimated 70% of the Arabs who left Israel in 1948, left without ever seeing a Jewish soldier.
28. The enemies within
David   (07.02.08)
The indisputed fact that certain elected officials took part in rallies in enemy countries in support of enemy forces- enemies that have expressly declared and reiterated their intent to destroy Israel both from outside and from within- should never have been tolerated. It is an act of treason in itself, and no other charge should have been necessary to force their dismissal from the government.
29. Esterina Tartman is a beauty!
daniel   (07.02.08)
And a Zionist too! Women....our secret weapon...
30. To MK E. Tartman. ALL Credits Goes To You.
Maansingh ,   The Netherlands   (07.02.08)
You say :”.. our silence is our weakness. Our silence empowers our enemies “. FINALLY someone is speaking up. ALL credits goes to you, Mrs. Tartman, for breaking the silence. You say :”.. time has come to restore some sanity ..”. I agree. IT was long, long, long overdue !!! You say :”.. restore some of our dignity as a people “. YES, that will be the result. NO sane person will mind that ; No sane person will object to that ; NO sane person will go against that.
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