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'Girls, go to the back'
Neta Sela
Published: 02.07.08, 07:29
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1. How many seats in middle must be empty to be a kosher bus?
Bunnie Meyer ,   Los Angeles, CA USA   (07.02.08)
2. To those "rabbis" [ ? ]
Bar ,   Israel   (07.02.08)
return to live in the 15th century . No problems with buses or trains , MP4 , TV or Gays parading .
3. 'Girls, go to the back'
Yonatan ,   Jerusalem   (07.02.08)
The reason being that (religious) men don't have the power to control themselves, if they worked for a living they would be too tired to indulge
4. Then charge more for the extra fare collector
Eric ,   Tel Aviv   (07.02.08)
If they want the absurdity of forcing women to the back, charge the men in the front more to pay for the extra person to collect the fares from women (must be a job for women, thus offering more jobs to women) and more security as there is someone to check that it is safe to open the door and that it is only women entering in the back. This would also offset the additional cost of adding controls and an operator seat in the back. If the religious community wants to be discriminatory and pretend that this is the dark ages and religious men can not control themselves around any female (regardless of her age) then let them pay for the extra service.
5. This is so wrong. Rethink and redo. This is not the way.
Johnny ,   Stockholm Sweden   (07.02.08)
6. kosher buses, treife minds
hs ,   cph   (07.02.08)
"...and will cause the collapse of the ultra-Orthodox transportation layout in Jerusalem..." Baruch Hashem!
7. Enough with these mullahs!
jason white ,   afula,israel   (07.02.08)
Make the men walk.
8. Ban ban Taliban
Yosef ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (07.02.08)
These ultra orthodox are out of whack. They are religious fanatics.
9. I am a religious woman and....
rachel ,   chutz4now   (07.02.08)
think that "these rabbis" need to lock themselves up in Mea Sherim. Maybe if THEY need to travel to hospital etc should walk or have private busses with curtains (Blue for Boys, Pink for Women). Do we NOT teach anyone to think any more? Maybe we should also teach men to control themselves!!! I would NEVER sit in the back of a regular bus.
10. boycott
Michael ,   Haifa   (07.02.08)
give them a taste of their own medicine...cancel all buses to their areas and let them set up their own private bus service
11. Islamist rulings ....
Hiram ,   Oswiecim>Katowice   (07.02.08)
Ultra Orthodox communities are at fight with the State of Israel and trying to impose intellectual and religious dictatorship. This is the result of 60 years of idiotic tolerance and undue utilisation of "religious minorities" as support to government build-ups ! With such talibans in Israel , who needs ennemies ? Untill Israel is secularized , even it it maintains ( disappearing) traditional Jewish values, we will not solve our problems. There is NO difference between our bearded Talibans and those of AFghanistan...both are intellectually limited, both are a danger for the progress of society, both are women's worst ennemies ! We have to make our choices....or accept regression .....
12. Send them to Tehran where they belong
Simon ,   TA the free city   (07.02.08)
Prehaps if they learnt to behave like human beings and control their sexual urges they wouldnt have this problem. No doubt they will threaten violence and curses if they dont get their wicked way, which is their usaul tactic. The public must stand up to this religious coercion and clearly send a message that this kind of beavior is not acceptatble in a modern day democratic society and all this from a minority that dosent work ,pay taxes, or serve in the army. Whats next we should be asking ourselves?
13. if they don't like PUBLIC transportation...
rpc ,   modiin   (07.02.08)
they can pay for PRIVATE transportation. Because they can't control their own penises, women shouldn't be second class citizens. Not in this country. No way. It''s so wrong and I can't BELIEVE we waste MY taxed money on cowtowing to these fanatics
14. Double decker buses
(07.02.08)
the ladies travel in the upper deck, and the man sit in the lower deck !
15. Dear Taliban,
John ,   Jerusalem   (07.02.08)
These are PUBLIC bus lines we are talking about here! And the light rail, when it comes on line in another 20 years time, is another means of PUBLIC transportation. If you don't want to ride on it, then don't, that's your choice. But don't expect the majority of the sane public to conform to your burka and ski mask wearing ideas of modesty and religion on PUBLIC transportation. If you don't like it, then start your own bus lines. But for God sake, leave the rest of us alone already with the Taliban style of extremism, this is the 21st century after all, isn't it?
16. Don't want to see next to a woman? Walk!
Heresasolution ,   israel   (07.02.08)
17. Again, typical disgusting behaviour!
israel   (07.02.08)
The girls should sit where the hell they want - if the penguins don't like it - WALK!!
18. Can someone give any basis in Halachah for this
Yitzchak ,   Yerushalyim, ISRAEL   (07.02.08)
Can someone give any basis in Halachah for this? And no "My Rav or Rebbe said so" is not and acceptable answer.
19. LOL I'll make sure to always travel in the front part
gabriela ben ari ,   jerusalem   (07.02.08)
and if TaliRabis want to have it kosher, men will need to good at the back, women at the front, then we'll have it fair enough !
20. Why the incessant need to vilify Chareidim?
Shalom   (07.02.08)
What do you care what they come out with? They are not demanding you to change your lifestyle; when was the last time the average YNet reader was interested in a bus to the center of Geula/Meah shearim? YNet has one agenda, and one agenda only.
21. Lunacy
Jerry ,   Eilat   (07.02.08)
Perhaps the transportation solution should match the thinking of these 'rabbis' in terms of everything they suggest. They should ban all use of means of conveyance invented after 1800. Then they would be in synch with their clothes and we all would be a lot happier.
22. to # 18
Hiram ,   Oswiecim>Katowice   (07.02.08)
Ytzik, there is NO Halachic rule regarding this kind of recommendation, decision,request, diktat or whatever you call it .....In the same fashion that there is no halachic ruling against the MP4 ... THere is only ONE thing which has driven generations after generations of zealots to regression : FEAR !
23. To # 20 SHALOM
Hiram ,   Oswiecim>Katowice   (07.02.08)
Shalom, I understand your concern. I do not thikn anyone if vilifying Haredim....however, most of the posters consider - like I certainly do - that faith , religion is a private relationship with God....and that NO ONE has the right to impose religious diktat on anyone . This is the basis of freedom of cult. Religious obsurantism has had tragic consequences in many countries of the middle east area not to speak of all of those who believed that being driven from their hometown to Oswiecim was a " just punishment for sinners ". Intellectual diktats of any kind are a danger for mankind....this is why no one should accept religious interference anywhere ....but eventually inside a shul, a mosque or possibly a church .
24. #20, are you familiar with Rosa Parks?
rpc ,   modiin   (07.02.08)
25. whats that fuss? you move to the back of the bus
jerusalem   (07.02.08)
if these men want so badly to "preserve modesty" and they do actually see this as a "privilage" then they should be the ones to move to the back instead of telling the women where to go. I dont hear the women complaining; the men should worry about their own modesty, stop blaming women and try to correct themselves.
26. kosher smosher.
amused ,   jerusalem   (07.02.08)
these people clearly have way too much free time on their hands. time to get jobs already. "kosher bus." I've never heard of anything so rediculous in my life.
27. 20 "Vilifying ...," I think not. If what they want to do
Stewart ,   USA   (07.02.08)
, they do to themselves fine. But when they expect from others, that is the problem. I don't see New York Haredi demanding this of the MTA. They'be crazy if they did. They'd be told politely to get their own transportation. Ah, but Israel has been folding to these bullies for decades. Time to set some limits especially one requiring service in the IDF. Who cares if you got to stick them in uniform and have them push a pencil for their entire term.
28. With all of the laws, how can you even begin to enjoy Hashem
Wake up!Yeshua ,   fulfilled the law!!!   (07.02.08)
29. Back of the bus rosa!
motti ,   passaic, nj, USA   (07.02.08)
This isn't halacha is is pretty disgusting misogyny. Israel needs to stop kowtowing to haredi pressure.
30. ITS THEIR BUS!!
Matt P ,   oleh chadash   (07.02.08)
Dont tell me that the chareidim have less of a right to buses than you do! They are citizens and require that it is this way. Just as you demand to ride next to your partner, they require public modesty (or whatever they interpret that to be--although i express it otherwise). You will never need to go to Geula or mea shearim besides to instigate or start a fight. Let them have their buses and stop complaining PLEASE.
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