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Ancient text sheds light on Jewish-Christian links
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Published: 13.07.08, 16:53
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1. tablets link jewisjhchristain
sara ,   brooklyn usa   (07.13.08)
authorship -were they true prophets or false prophets-who wrote these scrolls
2. YASHOU
A BELIEVER ,   MELBOURNE   (07.13.08)
YASHOU IS THE MESSIAH. THE REASON WHY HE'S RISEN IN THE THIRD DAY IS THE SAME REASON WHY JONNAH STAYED INSIDE THE WHALE FOR THREE DAYS. IT IS THE WILL OF G'D. NUMBER 3 SEEMS TO BE A HOLLY NUMBER. SHALOM
3. wow, christians before jesus
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (07.13.08)
who'da thunkit?
4. who'da thunkit? Anyone who has read up on
(07.13.08)
paganism is who'd thunkit!
5. sounds like another false report...
(07.13.08)
these reports of archelogical finds and records especially those indicating an overly strong interrelationship between Judaism and Xianity are always proven false. Why are they happening so frequently? Probably due to over enthusiastic researchers hungry for a little attention!
6. Messiah to be born 9th of Av
Soraya ,   Los Angeles   (07.14.08)
How can Christ be the Messiah when he was born in Kislev? (25th December?). All Jewish sources agree Messiah is to be born on the 9th of Av.
7. Researchers also discovered Messiah to be born in Bethlehem
Tingiz ,   Georgia   (07.14.08)
Wow, scoop, hold the presses, all these prophecies are in the Tanach, including the resurrection thou wilt not suffer thine holy one to see corruption etc. so what's the big deal?
8. ancient tablets and messiah
elliot ,   point roberts,usa   (07.14.08)
sounds more like mithras of the zoroasters to me
9. Possible wrong dating on stone.
EGW ,   vancouver canada   (07.14.08)
We may be all "jumping the gun" on this. It's EASILY possible, in fact probable, that the dating is wrong. The writer could have been an early "Christian" a "Messianist", whose little sect had this belief. W riting as a dating tool is not a safe method, within , say 50-75 years, since the writer could either have been born in the last pre-Christian years, and written on the stone about the year 50, or even later. Also, the writer could have been taught by a scribe or teacher who's writing style was formed in those years, making it an even later dating possibility.
10. Soraya #6
David ,   USA   (07.14.08)
First Soraya, Christ is the Helenistic rendering of the word Messiah. It is not a name, it is a title. Secondly, Yeshua HaMashiach was not born on 25 December, He was born at Sukkot. The modern Christian teaching that He was born on 25 December is the Roman Catholic invention which was passed on to the Protestant Churches also. 25 December was sthe birth date of Tammuz the son of Astarte the sungod or goddess.
11. Jesus wasn't born on Dec 25, the Catholic church incorporate
Cheryl ,   Michigan, USA   (07.14.08)
the pagan winter soltice into a Catholic holy day to attract more people to the church for more money. Always follow the money.
12. TO 6
BELIEVER ,   MELBOURNE   (07.14.08)
YASHOU WASN'T BORN ON THE 25TH OF DECEMBER. HIS DATE OF BIRTH WASN'T RECORDED. THEY DECIDED TO CELEBRATE IT AT 25TH OF DECEMBER TO REPLACE ONE OF PAGANS HOLIDAYS WICH THE DAY OF THE SUN GOD. BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT JESUS IS THE TRUE LIGHT OF THE WORLD. IN FACT IT IS MORE LIKELY THAT JESUS WAS BORN IN SPRING TIME. SINCE THE TRADITIONS AMONG THE SHEPERDS IN THAT REGION TO MOVE THEIR FLOGS TO THE COASTAL AREA IN WINTER & TO RETURN TO THE MOUNTAINS IN EARLY SPRING. WE KNOW THAT AT THE TIME OF JESUS'S BIRTH THE SHEPERDS WERE IN BETHLEHEM WHICH IS A MOUNTAINOUS VILLAGE.
13. #10 - David, As if we needed more proof...
Joe ,   Ramat Gan   (07.14.08)
As if we needed more proof Jesus wasn't the Mashiah. Soraya is correct when she states that rabbinic sources agree that Mashiah is supposed to be born on Tisha b'Ab. Regardless of whether Jesus was born during Sukkot or anytime between Sukkot and Pesah, Jesus does not meet the messianic criterion of needing to be born on Tisha b'Ab. Christian "proofs" of Jesus being Mashiah (despite being unable to prove that Jesus of Nazareth ever existed) are self-defeating...
14. update:
Aaron   (07.14.08)
On the heels of this discovery, archaeologists in Israel found a 2000 year old copy of The Life of Brian. One researcher involved in investigating the specimen stated: "This is indisputable proof that Jesus gave his sermon on the mount in a British accent, which may come as a shock to many believers who have long assumed he gave it in Latin." Another specialist, who wished to remain anonymous due to the sensitivity of the matter, doubted the specimen's authenticity, since some of the cinematographic styles postdate Jesus by at least 100 years.
15. to #13 JOE: Christians unable to proof jesus ever existed?!?
wildmandxb ,   dubai,UAE   (07.14.08)
Where do you come from? what kind of comment is that? christians don't need to prove it to some one like you! go ahead and prove jesus never existed! you'll be very surprised that he did exist!!!
16. #5 Guess where Revelations comes from? There was a sect
Stewart ,   USA   (07.14.08)
-Jewish - in ancient Persia that had a writing just like it. We Jews didn't accept it so it isn't part of our litergy. Now Christians accepted a version they believe comes from John(? I think). Well it's not like we sponsored it, BUT there is a connection. Why do we have such a hard time accepting that we have always had a main stream Judaism - not always quite the same -, some large minorities, and some small sects or cults?
17. 15
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (07.14.08)
where's the proof that abraham, moses, david, or even mohammed existed?
18. Something to think on
Rina ,   Israel   (07.14.08)
There isn't much time to argue. The world is given and facing a choice: fear destruction (nuclear) or trust YHVH and see Messiah. I once put my trust in YHVH (G-d of Israel). He delivered me from a serious illness at once; the purpose of Messiah: deliverance.Those who turn their hearts to Him shall see Messiah (Ex /Shmot 34:34).
19. I HOPE
YITZAK BEN SHLOMO   (07.14.08)
THAT HISTORICAL JESUS- jew BOY GIVES YOU XTAINS A SLAP ! YOU xTIANS WHY DONT YOU IDIOTS JUST WORSHIP HASHEM ALONE ? PLEASE FOLLOW THE TORAH DONT FOLLOW US JEWS, WE ARE NO GOOD AT ALL ! :-) IF ONLY YOU XTAINS COULD DROP OF ALL THAT GREEK AND ROMAN PRACTISE YOU GUYS ARE THE BEST ! tHIS MUCH I SAY ! :-)
20. to #18
Aaron   (07.14.08)
Exodus 34:34 has absolutely nothing to do with what you just said.
21. #15 - I come from the Holy Land...
Joe ,   Ramat Gan   (07.14.08)
1) I come from the Holy Land, the very same place Jesus supposedly came from. 2) My comment is the comment of someone who has an open mind on the matter, has read the 4 Gospels (even some of the Apocrypha), and has rejected them as wishful thinking put down on paper. 3) Actually, Christians do need to prove to me that: a) Jesus existed; and b) Jesus was the Messiah. Ever heard this "verse" of supposed "scripture"? "Let the children be fed first, for it is not fair to take the children's food and throw it to the dogs." Yes, my friend, this is your supposed "Mashiah" calling all Gentiles "dogs". 4) Seeing as Judaism has been around for at least 1000 years longer than Christianity, the burden of proof does not lie on us Jews. If I tell you that I am G-d incarnate, the onus is not on you to disprove it, the onus is on me to prove that I am G-d incarnate. 5) I'm sure that if you ever read what archaeology and textual analysis had to say on the matter, you would come to the inevitable conclusion that there is no non-circumstantial evidence that Jesus of Nazareth existed.
22. Joshua Never Said He Was the Messiah
Dave Levy ,   Burbank. CAUSA   (07.14.08)
Assuming Joshua (Jesus's real name) ever lived, he was one of many others who claimed to be the Messiah at that time. In fact, Joshua NEVER, said he was the son of, G-d himself, or the holy spirit. That was left to the traitors Mark, John, Paul, Peter and Luke. Paul was so obnoxious..it's worth not commenting on him. Read his teachings for proof. Jesus may have been a teacher, but remember, the Romans only allowed the so-called exchange of food and products in the temple. So, he did everyone a dis-service. Islam and Christianity stole from our religion..Judaism has one G-d, Christianity, 3. The Mormons who believe in reincarnation, also have their angel and tablets..does anyone believe them? Certainly not other Christians. I guess it's all perspective after all...and some false analysis dating back 2,000 years. As far as love, no way in Christian theology. Its a fabrication.
23. This is not uncommon
Joe ,   Va Bch,VA   (07.14.08)
People are failing to realize that there have been many many other deities that have died (on the Winter solstice) and resurrected in three days: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-death-rebirth_deity I'd also suggest you view the first part of Zeitgeist at: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=zeitgeist+part+1&sitesearch=# Enjoy.....
24. Reply to #15
Robert Kuhen ,   Redding, CA   (07.14.08)
Wildman - show respect! I am both a Jew and a believer in Yeshua. You will never win a debate with anyone, (especially a Jew), with that attitude. THAT attitude is the very reason why Jews cannot even hear what you are saying. THAT attitude is the very basis of Crusader thinking. THAT attitude is what drives even Believers like me away from your "Christian" churches. My Jewish brothers and sisters deserve treatment than that. Don't forget that Yeshua was a Jew who came to the Jews. You, (a Gentile), have been invited into the family. Show respect for your adopted family, and love them with the love of the Messiah you proclaim, (to them), to follow. Enough chastisement to you. G-d bless you and keep you, Brother.
25. FOR IF THE DEAD ARE NOT RAISED, THEN THE MESSIAH
Norway   (07.15.08)
HAS NOT BEEN RAISED EITHER, AND IF THE MESSIAH HAS NOT BEEN RAISED, YOUR TRUST IS USELESS, AND YOU ARE STILL IN YOUR SINS. ALSO, IF THIS IS THE CASE, THOSE WHO DIED IN UNION WITH THE MESSIAH ARE LOST. IF IT IS ONLY FOR THIS LIFE WE HAVE PUT OUR HOPE - - IN THE MESSIAH, WE ARE MORE PITIABLE THAN ANYONE. 1 Corinthians 15:16-19 CJB NOW THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK (Sunday), MARY MAGDALENE WENT TO THE TOMB EARLY, WHILE IT WAS STILL DARK, (!) AND SAW THAT THE STONE HAD BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM THE TOMB, JOHN 20:1 HOW MANY DAYS AND HOW MANY NIGHTS WAS JESUS IN THE TOMB? !!! 2 - DAYS – 2 NIGHTS - !!!
26. Duh!!! The Man Never Existed, its a Story
JMK ,   NYC   (07.15.08)
Their god was no more real than Apollo, Zeus, Poseidon, Horus, Mythra and the many thousands of "gods" who were born to a virgin, on Dec 25, died on the cross and rose three days later, it is all astrological allegory tied to the political power of Rome,
27. #6
ilyse ,   usa/israel   (07.15.08)
he was not born on the 25th of dec. he was born in feburary. the hebrew (paul ) and the romans gave him that birthday, it is the winter solace (sun god) holiday for the ancient romans. . paul changed a lot of things because the roman empire were embrassing the faith..... he made things easier for them to convet from there pagan religon to judisam. as time went on the 'new jews" starting doing things different - hence the division between the two people.
28. #15
ilyse ,   usa/israel   (07.15.08)
what you wrote sounds very nice. however in a very nice way i will tell you that you can not be jewish and believe in yeshua. at the same time. they are conflicting religions. i am sorry that you can not see the beauty of HaShem and have chosen to leave our faith and join another. i do not know your backround but i know enough about jews with no backround in there own faith to get lured into being christian, new age, hindi's and buddhist's. i know you will answer me back with some christain "nice talk". will not work - your kind tried to convert me yrs ago, thank g-d that i new enough about my beautiful faith and HaShem not go astray.
29. So what.
Dave ,   Toronto, CANADA.   (07.15.08)
Any idea of a man-god, a messiah rising from the dead, etc. is totally foreign to any normative rabbinic Judaism of any stream. It's also totally foreign to the Samaritan Israelites. It's also totally foreign to Karaite Judaism. So all this recent archaelogical findings may prove is that there were groups of heretical Jews. So what.
30. Ancient Text Sheds
Yehuda ,   USA-Yerushalayim   (07.15.08)
How about looking at Hoshea 6,2 (You have to read it in the original) It has been interpreted in many ways but the bottom line is that "on the third" He will revive US. The word "Yechayeinu" is founing there and the meaning is that after 2 disasters or 2,000 years of destruction "On the third He will revive us" i.e. all the Jews. The tablet most probably is echoing Hoshea.
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