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Rabbi: It's okay to multi-date if you're old
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Published: 14.08.08, 08:15
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1. What no comment Mirriam or beacon of morality?
Simon ,   TA the free city   (08.14.08)
2. LoL and you guys are pointing finger at Iran
Logic ,   Logicland   (08.14.08)
Any person who would embrace this nut jobs views . Is defenetly not a sane person.
3. even
lili ,   jerusalem   (08.14.08)
that she is old better not to do .. i think in friend ship you can be with a group but in dating you only to be with only one
4. Who cares?
Nadav ,   Misgab   (08.14.08)
5. In My Opinion
Reuven Brauner ,   Raanana, Israel   (08.14.08)
I have found Rabbi Aviner's opinions and attitude to be very odd. He is very strange.
6. How can this be Immoral?
Married woman ,   Israel   (08.14.08)
With all due respect to R. Aviner, since the religiously observant unmarried are normally not having any physical contact, and dating customs are unlike those of the non-religious, a woman going on dates with several different men is basically having social interaction with a persons of the opposite sex. It is in fact healthy for marriageable women to meet as many men as possible in order to help her make a better choice of her life partner. This is made more necessary by the fact that the religious establishment is becoming ever more stringent in its requirements for separation of the sexes from Kita Alef onwards. Now there is this dreadful fashion for segregated guests at weddings, once a socially sanctioned Kosher way for the young eligables to meet
7. #2
(08.14.08)
As a person who respects Rav Aviner, I have to interject. First, I can understand that someone can look at his rulings as being crazy. Crazy to people who may not hold themselves on a high moral ground. In this case with the dating 2 people at once, you can look at it this way.... If you are dating 2 girls at the same time. One for 4 weeks and the other for three. You are not sure which one is better for you so you wait it out...so far sounds logical right? So now you find yourself out with Girl #1 at the local cafe where you are discussing how you would like to raise a family, where would you want to live, life goal...all these things that a person should know. Well, in comes girl #2 and she comes right to you thinking that you are out with your sister because why would you be leading her on? She then finds out that in fact she is a girl you are dating. The scene becomes very uncomfortable, she makes a slow exit and you don't here from her the next day (you had a date). The girl ended up going home very upset, crying to herself and thinking that she was rejected because the other girl is prettier. Girl #1 also was uncomfortable and didn't want to make a scene and ended the date as normal, this was the last you also saw her. She felt like she couldn't trust you. Now you sit alone and think was dating two at once logical? Is logicland all what you hoped it would be?
8. LOL... thank you Ynet
MK ,   USA   (08.14.08)
Having finished reading many depressing news articles concerning the Russian war with Georgia, this article was a blast. I wish everyday news were this funny. The world would be much happier and healthier. We need more and more of Rabbi Aviner and the Al Azhar Muftis to issue outrageously hilarious Fatwas lol.
9. Immorality according to the Rabbis
Roxy ,   Israel   (08.14.08)
It is time to stop listening to this patriorical nonsense. Any person can date anyone they chose at one time. Just like men date more than one woman at a time, pretending to look for a wife(we all know they want as many sexual partners as possible),a woman has every right to look for the best quality man to be her spouse, one who can earn a good living,is kind and can support a family, if she is limited to dating only one at a time she will never find that, as long as the men are dating two or more at a time!
10. it's ok for some, but not others
mike ,   israel (formerly usa   (08.14.08)
more rabbinical logical gymnastics. good stuff.
11. I guess it's ok if their not sleeping together.
(08.14.08)
two questions: What age does the rabbi term as old? and can a man date a couple women at the same time?
12. Wow - men on this board sure hate tasting their own medicine
Levy ,   Israel   (08.14.08)
Two-timing (or three or four or five...) is a way of life for most men. As usual, men are horrified when women do the same thing - work at the same jobs, and now maybe do something to ensure contributing Jewish babies to the world while more and more men are doing anything to avoid responsibility later and later into life. Why don't you be your own rocks of morality instead of depending on women, while you back them into corners?
13. #2 Logic
(08.14.08)
You apparently know very little about Israel. The vast majority of Israelis really don't give a damn what rabbis have to say about dating...or much else for that matter.
14. #1 & others In the religious world there's NOTHING IMMORAL
Miriam ,   Israel   (08.14.08)
about dating more than one as there is NO physical contact whatsoever until marriage. Unlike some seculars and goyim whose only purpose for dating is testing waters.
15. immoral from both sides
YOEL   (08.14.08)
I experienced a dating with a girl who practised that. Even if I didn't have no evidence she did it, I felt very uncomfortable, and refused to meet her again. The only feeling of being as fresh meat sold in the supermarket... And the person takes her time because the pack in front may have a better color, or date more recent... I felt it was disgusting. I always learnt not behave towards others in a way I wouldn't like people behave towards me. That's why, I don't, and I will never meet 2 persons at the same time. It takes longer time, but I need to find a moral person like me.That's why I don't care waiting for the one who would share the rest of my life. The rabbi's opinion is "open", but I would not follow him. For me, everything has to be "Kosher" from the very beginning. This means we have to base relationship on total confidence. At the end, I will never cheat; and my wife will never doubt on me, even if I speak with another woman in the street...
16. best article ever
(08.14.08)
I'm still laughing. Thanks, Ynet.
17. rabbi aviner is an idiot!
eddie ,   london   (08.14.08)
18. # 14 Mirriam its 2008 not 1008
Simon ,   TA the free city   (08.14.08)
you do make me laugh! Seculars and Goys, shows your contempt and hatred towards any one that isn't a right wing religious extremist. Nothing immoral in the religious world? oh what like throwing acid in a young girls face or breaking in to a single womans apartment and beating her senseless in the name of religious modesty? So if you talk of a religious world , therefore there must be a secular world. so why do you judge and slander everyone by your so called religious morals when secular people do not live by such religious rules? And don`t quote that nonsense about its every jews obligation rubbish. And so what if a secular guy wants to date to test the waters? Thats his right, as much as its your right to be religious?
19. Good news! I've been waiting for the go-ahead!
Miriam ,   Israel   (08.14.08)
20. TBers unfair critisism of religion on this page is pure hate
Besalel ,   Kew Gardens, NY   (08.14.08)
While I grant you that our religious leaders do not always place us the in the greatest light, Rabbi Aviner does no such thing in this article. It is commonly accepted throughout the entire Western world that relationships (including dating) is between one man and one woman. Heck, Hollywood has made a million movies about a woman having to choose between 2 men and date only one. How many rap songs are there about a person being upset that their boyfriend/girlfriend is seeing someone else behind their backs? There is nothing new or strange about Rabbi Aviner's statement, it is commonly accepted everywhere. The TBers here, like Pavlovian dogs, drool all over themselves with statements of "Mullahs, Ayatollahs, Idiots, LOL, etc, etc." whenever there is a Rabbi in the story. It is no more than pure hate towards the Jewish religion as it stands today.
21. i am so reliefed now!
ayelet ,   israel   (08.14.08)
22. Not something that a rabbi has to decide.
David ,   Hartford USA   (08.14.08)
A rabbi has no business sticking his nose into who someone can date. If anyone listens to this opinion (and that is all it is) they are short-changing themselves. Go out and date- 1, 2, 3, 10 people at a time. Enjoy life. "Immoral to date more than 1 person..." The rabbi's warped view is immoral.
23. Why does anyone even pay attention to this Idiot
Talula ,   Israel   (08.14.08)
Women can date as many men as they want. Men are there to be dated and secular Israeli men in particular are just too handsome to stick to one. Call me what you want, but I bet I'm happier than most stifled religious women that need to ask a rabbis permission to live her own life. Spread the happiness!!
24. see: http://www.aviner.net/
Sergio ,   Qiaryat Arba   (08.14.08)
People accused by married women of sexual molestation should refrain from dealing with women's issues... But this guy is OBSESSED with sexual stuff, and, in spite of having been even FORBIDDEN to give responsa on matters of family purity by several Bate' Din and very big rabbis (not last Rav Lior and RAv Mordechai Eliahu) see: http://www.aviner.net/ , and the writings and lessons by REAL rabbis, he keeps on doing as he wishes and spreading his shtuyot and even lies.
25. Rabbis and their laws
eddie ,   london   (08.14.08)
The rabbis have a knack for making up nosnense then passing it off as "Torah". In fact, they do nto really accept the Torah,a nd the "oral law " inthe talmud is a denial of the Torah or a new testament. Hence they permit many disgusting acts forbidden by the Torah, eg the wearing of Shaatnez in the Temple, eating forbidden fats, child abuse etc etc. They are a very arrogant group of people, and they think they are latter day prophets, when in fact they abrogate G-d's law.
26. Does the rabbi's dating experience make him an expert?
Lenny ,   Carmiel, Israel   (08.14.08)
27. #19 Hi there, Miriam. So we've got another Miriam in Israel.
Miriam ,   Israel   (08.14.08)
Apparently our religious status is not the same if you suppose that this Rabbi or any other Orthodox Rabbi for that matter gives any Jew the "go-ahead" for physical contact before marriage.
28. The kosher twilight zone.
Petra ,   usa   (08.14.08)
Hey! here's an idea, let the Rabbis 'take it on the road'. They can do a morality play in each city and see how no one shivs a git!
29. It doesn't matter what "Rav" Aviner says
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah   (08.14.08)
See http://www.aviner.net
30. No. 23 Talula
NYC Girl   (08.14.08)
Excuse the religious reference, but Amen to your comment about secular Israeli guys.
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