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Ultra-Orthodox criminals
Tali Farkash
Published: 26.08.08, 16:32
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31. Zeal us?
ZeeknayTzfat ,   Tzfat   (08.26.08)
BS"D/ In Chabad we don't have these squads and can only pity the very few ghetto areas where these things happen.Every Jew being that she/he is just that "Jewish" has not only to do their share but very important not to drag the ways of Torah down in the filth.Those zealots who decide to do this are themselves people with hate and this is their outlet with a Kosher stamp.The leaders must be zealous in stoping violence.
32. Tali Farkash calls it right.
Rachel ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (08.27.08)
There is no excuse for the brutality being visited upon women in any part of our society, whether secular or religious. Groups of men who engage in this type of behavior are in fact, committing a "criminal conspiracy" and should be prosecuted as such. They are no different from the mobsters who shoot innocent people on the beach. Also, women should be trained in self-defense and not let themselves be victimized. Jerusalem is not Karachi, Pakistan, and the haredim have no right acting like the Taliban. Nor do they have the right to act as police, judge and jury. Every woman should be outraged at this attack or any violence being committed upon their persons. And anyone who insults Tali for expressing her views should renounce their faith as they have obviously ceased being Jewish and human beings. "Get lost" is too lenient, Tali. Sending them to jail makes more sense.
33. 'chasity police' op-ed
Yohanan ,   Springfield, USA   (08.27.08)
Good article. Hope the journalist doesn't mind, but I copied it (in it's entirety) and put it on my Myspace blog.MY profile's here if you'd like to see it and what people think about it (and my comment supporting it.) :) http://profile.myspace.com/259365912
34. I forgive Andy and others who think I am a idiot
Yaakov Sullivan ,   NYC   (08.27.08)
As a intellectual I see many people who are not developed to criticise me. After all I've red many books and know what I am talking about. As an actor (straggling) I met lots of famous people who tell me I have a future in acting and otherwice. I hope for the great future and fortunately many people here on this board support me. Those who are not will see their mistakes in the years to come. Even Karl Marx got to be influential after his death only so I am optimistic. Shalom.
35. Well written
gabriela ben ari ,   jerusalem   (08.27.08)
36. tal ...........
woman ,   jerusalem   (08.27.08)
when there is a rule to conduct the society and a god to judge the people ... no need to these people and must be under social rule and god will judge their doing
37. The God Squad looses the Plot
Simon ,   TA Israel   (08.27.08)
They really have lost the plot, These vile people who preach "i am hollier than thou" who judge and slander and force their so called morals on everyone else , seem to think they are above the law, committing acts of violence and fanning the flames of hatred dividing the Jewish nation even further. All this from a community who do not work, pay taxes or serve their country. Its time they were dealt with once and for all.
38. good .. sullivan
muna ة ,   jerusalem   (08.27.08)
i remember a woman with little abilities but she is proud of these abilities ...good sullivan and i think you have a good personality to be a star
39. Somewhere else
Mervyn ,   Jerusalem, ISRAEL   (08.27.08)
I suggest you withdraw the suggestion to "Please go beat up people somewhere else." They might do it; perhaps park rangers at Ein Gedi. It seems that some Yeshiva is breeding the next generation of thugs.
40. Yaakov Sullivan
jman ,   neve yaakov   (08.27.08)
If you are an intellectual then I think you should learn how to spell, you might actually look intelligent. Tell me, do you actually believe that JC is the son of G-D? If so then how was he born. Do you follow JC? Is he the one that made the laws that you follow? BTW your ramming J for J crap down peoples throats isn"t any better than the Chastity Squad.
41. Violence more widespread that chastity squads
Y ,   Nitzan, Israel   (08.27.08)
It goes beyond the chastity squads. There are many accounts of women (including religious women) being verbally abused and assaulted on busses for refusing to sit in the back. These attacks are spontaneous, perpetrated by "regular" chareidi men. I remember press stories of women being assaulted by chareidi men while going to work at the Education Ministry in Jerusalem. Then there are the stoning of cars on shabbat in Jerusalem and Beit Shemesh. I don't care that chareidi live by their own mores and culture dictates but for too long our police have been passive in confronting Chareidi violence.
42. #37 Well if you plan to get a bunch of your girly friends to
teach us a lesson. ,   then bring it on!!!   (08.27.08)
43. Ultra-orthodox
Yehudi ,   Jerusalem, Israel   (08.27.08)
There is much about the ultra-orthodox that is not true to Jewish tradition.
44. The hypocrisy of the Orthodox Chastity Squads
Daniel ,   Tel Aviv   (08.28.08)
My family moved to the USA from Minsk, and Khorezm and Latvia. Every branch of my family was orthodox. I grew up in a home where toilet paper was pre-divided into usable sheets for Shabbat; where lights were not touched and money not handled on Shabbat. Where my Grandfather prayed daily shachrit mincha and maariv. Kashrut was respected and kept vigilantly. I was taught to respect G-d and the beliefs of others. I was taught not to force my religious beliefs on others but to respect our differences. Yet when we came to Israel in 1979 for my Bar-Mitzvah the story of a woman. being pelted with garbage for driving near Mea Shearim made the papers. I am saddened that after all this time. Israeli police still seem to have no ability to reign in these vigilantes. Violence against women, gays, Christians is not acceptable behaiviour and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law!
45. Yacub sullivan , the non Jew
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (08.28.08)
You say you're an intellectual [ hm hm ! ] can you explain to me how someone can be a catholic , believing that the messias has come unther the name of jesus , and at the same moment claiming to be Jewish , Jews who still await the TRUE Maschiach .
46. Until Israel assures EQUAL Rights
Petra ,   USA   (08.29.08)
for both its male and female population, she can't claim her inheritance of ' a light to the nations.' The state is as responsible for the welfare of it's females as well as her males. By allowing this stage setting of"religious" hatred, towards Jewish women more acts of terror are commited on all females from age birth to the grave. When the state sanctions a force of thugs who beat and shame any woman on a bus( much less an entire society) they are co-conspirators in these acts of violence in the name of 'religion'. Now, I see why so many Jews are secular. This is how you treat you wives, your mothers, daughters, your bubbies, the same women who DEFEND Israel? Whore houses are fine, but OY! a woman who sits in the front of the bus!! Face it, Israel is still a chauvinistic male dominaed 'good ol boys' club. For our greatest of all faiths' to be highjacked by nasty old men w/ beards, who refuse to WORK, or SERVE the state in her defense, who needs these leeches on society? The state and her 'religious' gangsters who harm women are NOT religious, they are the Jewish Taliban. Clean your own house oh Israel. You limit your goals by this ancient sin of hurting women just because you can....
47. When did 'chastity' involve violence towards women only?
Petra ,   USA   (08.29.08)
The filthiest thing I can think of is 'religious criminality."
48. I lived with them they're the worst kind
Uzi ,   London   (08.31.08)
I lived with the ultra-orthodox most of my life and they're not as holy as they want to show to the world. Besides of not working, doing nothing to society and not lifting a finger to defend Eretz Yisrael they're also heavy drug users and into drug deals with Colombia, they treat their wifes and daughters like the Taliban. It's time Eretz Yisrael put them to work, they can work and study, why should we work for them? Thank G-d I'm free from those people, I'm a modern orthodox guy today, I was oppressed, abused by the ultra-orthodox for 22 years!!! Put them to work and those people give Jews and Judaism a bad name! They're drug addicts, totalitarians and criminals! Many young people would escape from that secret society if they could...I been traumatized thanks to them but thank G-d I rescued all my brothers from those oppressors!!!!
49. to #4 She is a draft dodger
jason white ,   afula,israel   (08.31.08)
50. the Jews & God -- the Arabs & Allah
chop-chop   (08.31.08)
The lines are getting blurred. They must be going to the same schools, getting the same education, by the same teachers with an identical curiculum. The end results are the same.No regard for others; women ,like their muslim "conpadres" are relegated to inferior status by sex crazed men of God ( the books used in the yeshivas must be very educational) I fault the cops. They are the one who should be braking bones. Since the thugs in black behave like their ancestors from the middle ages, they should be punished accordingly. A PILORY in the middle of a square in Jerusalem; naked but not stoned like their arab brothers... for the 1st offense...!
51. What about a special police unit?
Maskil ,   JHB (ZA)   (09.02.08)
Perhaps what’s needed is a special police unit dedicated to dealing with ultra-Orthodox criminality in its various forms.
52. #48 is right and they like to mooch off those who are workin
birdy ,   ua   (03.05.09)
and ask for tons of money under the guise of ztedacka charity, well i am done giving charity to those who will not work or do anything to rasie money for themselves or their ilk. keep on having kids 10- 12 or however many they do not put in for service for the g-ment, and then hold out their hands for money to give lavish parties. what they are really , BUMS. an i for one am done supporting them. chabad is the worst.
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