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Olmert: Notion of Greater Israel no longer exists
Roni Sofer
Published: 14.09.08, 16:48
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31. these are the best words that i have ever heard
dafer ,   jerusalem   (09.14.08)
from an israeli leader , and mabee from any israeli as a matter of fact . please take this man's advice and do the rite thing for once in your lives , and mabee ,, just mabee this will be for the best for everyone in the region and mabbe the world ...
32. olmert's musings
alexi   (09.14.08)
In his last shot, Olmert goes on abouit withdrawal.As if Israel decided to take these lands in 67, rather the arabs provoked the war. There is no reasonable side to negotiate with that is stable. Israel has tried the Olmert barak withdrawal and where has that led. The hysteria, absolute fear that Olmert has is translated into demographics argument.Jordan is the anwer to demographics. You have to negotiate with strength and stealth. Yoiudon't show the other side your actual hand in advance.You also have to have some conviction. Olmert is an empty nothing, a weakling, a coward, alouse who is worth nothing. Ramon is his kissing lapdog who is a sickening sycophant. Olmert in any case will be leaving the country to join his son in new york eating steaks at high priced restaurants with some of his suckers. Ramon will find himself with meretz with his views and one of the most worlthless idiotic politicians. I don't agree with Ayalon, but at least he has conviction, would and has fought for israel. Olmert has no conviction, espouses his wife's views, and is a military coward and does everything for him and himself to avoid combat.
33. Oh, yeah??? We must read different Bible because my Bible
Rivkah   (09.14.08)
says Israel's territory is going to greatly expand after the upcoming war with Syria and Lebanon and Jordan and Egypt. Look up the verses in a Young's or Strong's Concordance keyed to the Authorized King James Bible and find out the Egypt will become uninhabitable for forty years, Iraq (Babylon) will become uninhabitable forever, Jordan loses all its princes and territory, and Lebanon sees the destruction of Tyre and Zidon (Sidon) and Syria's Damascus is destroyed to a heap of rubble. Who is winning the war that is upcoming and described so clearly in the Bible? Israel. Israel will have to govern a far bigger land mass than it does now. Hold onto your hats, Ministers: you are about to behold the opposite of what you believe. The Dhimmis (Jews) win because God loves them. But then the Jews will make a great mistake in trusting a German led E.U. that is an Assyrian bloodline that has an inborn hatred of Jews. America and Israel will suffer much destruction at the hands of Assyrians (Ezekiel chapter 23 repeats in history in the latter days). But the destruction will come from Germany and the EU, not from Russia whose attack will be thwarted by an earthquake and certainly not from Jordan or Lebanon or Egypt or Syria or Iran. The Germans are the ones to watch out for; but America and Israel are being deceived, even now.
34. #4 - Of course Yoni - too little too late.
Andy ,   ramat hasharon   (09.14.08)
35. Rivkah - Did you forget your meds today?
Dovid ,   Modiin   (09.14.08)
This is a Jewish site as Jews we only believe in one G-D. We don't believe that he has a son or ever came down to earth die for us. We don't believe that jessus is the messiah or in the king james bible. We don't believe that G-D made a mistake and had to write a new bible. Quite frankly we don't care what your jews for jessus thinks. I find it completely insensitive that you spread lies about some false god on this Jewish site. Why don't you find a nice site with your type like the cristian monitor or some other rag and post there.
36. Israel will survive the likes of Olmert / Hamas
Secular Jew ,   Negev   (09.14.08)
But for Olmert's faulty judgment the Hamas would not have been allowed to participate in elections 3 years ago. The flaws in his character, his weakness in the face of American demands and his bad judgment have all damaged his nation's security. So don't preach to us, Mr. Olmert. Greater Israel is and will continue long after you have been forgotten.
37. Why is Mr. Olmert filled with internal conflict?
Steve   (09.14.08)
Olmert said: "But eventually, after great internal conflict, I've realized we have to share this land with the people who dwell here...." If Olmert is certain of the righteousness of his cause, why all the internal conflict? I feel confident, one day the Jews will not have to share this land with an enemy people who dwell there. I have no internal conflict.
38. 35 Dovid: You seem troubled by many things. The Israeli
Rivkah   (09.14.08)
Supreme Court legalized Messianic Jews becoming citizens of Israel. Since you are Jewish, God has blinded you to the advent of your Messiah as a servant to graft on the Gentiles to the Jewish faith with Jewish roots, the Gentiles so foolishly forsook when they decided to worship "another Jesus" on "another sabbath" in polythesim of elevating the holy spirit to a separate God. Jews who are blinded by God to His son's coming as a servant are not responsible to know what God has blinded them to. Jews who worship Adonai/ha'Shem and believe their savior is coming as the Lion of Judah have the root faith that God will honor. You are right that the Messiah who came as a servant did not die for you. He died for the Gentiles. But even though he did not die for you, he will come to rescue Israel and judge the nations for how they treatd the Jews. Read it in your bible in the prophecies of Zechariah. Jews are wounded as the Messiah was by friends. That is what the Messiah calls the Jews when he comes as the Lion of Judah. He will tell them he was wounded in the house of his FRIENDS. Only the false Sunday Sabbath, trinity worshipping false Christians do not see Jews as their friends. They will be utterly surprised at their exclusion from heaven. It will be a sad day for them. Pity them. But do not drive away your Messianic brothers and sisters unless you have no part with the Lord of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and He has no part with you. I have a right to speak on YNET just as Jews and Islamics and Christians and atheists and Buddhists and others, do. The preachers who misled Christians and still do will suffer a greater punishment in hell, believe me. They turned the church against even the descendants of the half brothers of Yeshua and the Catholic church became apostate about three hundred years after Yeshua came and died and rose again. That has led untold millions of people to hell who thought they were going to heaven. Isn't that tragic to you? Don't you think they should turn to the root faith and join hands with the brothers and sisters who should not have been persecuted since Yeshua calls them his friends in Zechariah when he comes as the Lion of Judah.
39. #33 Different bible
Yoni ,   Raanana   (09.14.08)
There is one Torah given by Hashem, the The New Excrement that you are spewing your idolatry from has as much to do with the Word of Hashem as Olmert's foolishness. We are sick and tired of your Christian babblings. You appear to be a missionary and that is forbidden by the laws of Israel! Why do you insist on calling yourself by a Hebrew name when you are a Christian? Are you trying to ensnare Jews into Christianity?
40. Ramon preserver of Israel's Identity?
Moish ,   Jerusalem   (09.14.08)
What identity is that may I ask? A Jewish one that abides by the Torah with Shabbos and Kashrut, Shmitta, no chometz on Pesach? or does his loose Jewish identity mean an apartheid so called Jewish state which calls itself Jewish but has no Judaism in it? One that is no different that living in America or in a Muslim state in dhimmitude? Without Judaism, who needs a so called Jewish State to be a thorn in the side of the nations of the world?
41. Go ahead and censor my comments
Hani   (09.14.08)
The truth's been exposed! Palestine has always had indigenes, and there's nothing you can do to stop Palestinian self determination.
42. notion of greater olmert no longer exists in his
good bye olmert   (09.14.08)
43. who is finished
marcel   (09.14.08)
Olmert is finished. This big mouth is facing this bill: resigination, indictment, months and months of court battles, jail time, mail rape, loss of legal practise, possible divorce by aliza once she finds out the truth, hardships faced by shaul and ariel. Who is finished?? there is no justice big enough to deal with olmert who stabbed a dirty 10 inch knife into the heart of israel.
44. Olmert is trying to say that Livni is deluded
Tikva   (09.14.08)
Livni has always said that while she accepts the reality that only the two-state solution will bring lasting peace for Israel, she believes in the right of Jews to all of Eretz Israel. As for me, I agree with Livni's solution. After the all, Greater Israel will still be established when HaMoshiach arrives. If Olmert doesn't believe in that, I needn't say anything else.
45. GREATER israel is still viable, but only in eastern europe!
(09.14.08)
46. He must have bought a condo in Miami...
Steven Wilson ,   Anchorage, Alaska   (09.14.08)
with funds taken by ways not legal. Saturday Night Live is doing an alternate show from Miami.....Live from Miami......It's Ehud Ohmert.....the leader of a stateless country.
47. time to ask "the great I'AM THAT I'AM" what his ...
Psalms 83 ,   selah   (09.14.08)
solution to Israels Palistinian problem is..... IT is Time for each Israeli in Israel and in the Galut to get familiar with the WILL of G-d in the Tanach....then get on your knees and ask G-d to guide you in his Will. to do otherwise will guide israel into a greater disaster....
48. peace is ultimate security
marv   (09.14.08)
Tell that to israel before the 67 war. Tell that to Chamberlain who had the white paper in his hand. No, ultimate security to live in peace means having the military ability to defeat your adversary and ready at a second's notice. Olmert is honest in that he hates the military, he hates the idf and believes frankly that giving up territory means peace. He is a bloody moron, a tzsimi. What injury did olmert suffer in his idf stint? What is real or make believe? How did ariel avoid the draft? How does it look for the PM of israel to have 2 sons who don't do their direct or reserve duty. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree: Ehud is a coward and so are his 2 sons.
49. 39 Yoni: I cannot choose a faith or beliefs for anyone, not
Rivkah   (09.14.08)
even for myself. The bible says, "Many are called, but few are CHOSEN." God chooses. I do not. God decides who will be part of the root of the tree of Jewish faith and who will be part of the grafted on branch. You accuse me of trying to ensnare Jews into Christianity? I cannot save anyone from anything. That is a foolish notion. YOUR Israeli Supreme court ruled that Messianic Jews can become Israeli citizens. YOU are in violation of that ruling if you attack Messianics and try to deny them the high calling of aliyah and Israeli citizenship. It is true: there is one Torah given by Hashem to Moses. And there is one man who obeyed that Torah 100%: Yeshua ben Yahweh. He came into the earth through Mary, but was born long before that from the breast of his father as Job tells you in that book in the Bible. Yeshua said that those who love him will keep his commandments (written commandments of Moses). Obviously, most Christian faiths do not do that and will be utterly surprised at their exclusion from heaven because they honored the sabbath of man (Sunday) instead of the Shabbat of the Lord (Saturday), among other things. They do not love Yeshua when I show them what the Bible says. They prefer the commandments of men to the doctrine of God which Mark 7:7 says is vain worship. You should be trying to ensnare Christians into the Jewish Shabbat and the Jewish Holy Days Yeshua honored. You should pity them for believing lies and commandments of men and hating the Jews that the Lord loves. Since you are sick and tired of my tb's, why not skip them? The words of Yeshua are not excrement since he followed the laws of Moses 100% which is something you cannot claim to have done. But about three hundred years after Yeshua's teaching on earth, the Church changed the religion and murdered many bishops as the mafia took over the church and instituted a false religion. Olaf Hage has such an interesting lecture on how that was done and how the bishops were murdered by someone who was not even a believer who wanted to be Pope. His website is petragrail@yahoo.com . Again, I have to rebuke you in the name of ha'Shem for calling Yeshua's words excrement. That is so foolish, but I understand why you feel that way because people who do not and did not know Yeshua persecuted the Jews and will be judged for that if they have not been already. It is quite likely auto manufacturer and founder of Ford Motors, Henry Ford I is in hell because of his persecution of the Jews. He put a copy of the protocols of Zion into every Ford he sold for decades and wrote a book about his hatred of Jews which Adolf Hitler gave to visitors. It is a sad history for the Jews, but when the Messiah comes as the Lion of Judah, he will judge the nations for how they treated the Jews, Zechariah says. He never stopped loving the Jews, but the devil masquarades as a Christian and then as a Muslim and other persecutors of the Jews. So the Jews think Yeshua hates them when he was one and loves them above all others and blesses the nations who are kind to Jews.
50. Foolish generation...youre paying the price
Yehoshua ,   Yerushalaym   (09.14.08)
What has bewitched you oh chosen ones of the LORD our God? Are your hearts that hardened that you love to speak and debate on a website but take no action to stand for the Torah which has been given unto you?? How can you claim to be a jew when you cannot bear your own laws? When was the last time you have sacrificed for the sins of your people Y'srael? You have turned your backs to your God, now you are paying the price. But He hasnt forgotten you, stop looking at the mistakes other religions make AND LOOK TO YOUR OWN, you, land of Y'srael, HAVE PROFANED OUR GOD'S HOLY NAME AMONG ALL THE NATIONS YOU'VE GONE TO. YOU HAVE PERMITED DEFILEMENT TO TAKE OVER OUR GOD'S MOUNT. YOU HAVE BLASPHEMED AGAINST ELOHIM OUR MOST HIGH GOD, EXALTED HE IS. He doesnt need you to show His holiness, but for HIS name's sake He will show himself strong in your behalf, so that all nations on earth may know that He is the LORD and there is none beside you. But concerning you Ysrael, be ashamed for turning your backs to God and allowing the heathens to take over the land of our God.
51. #1 Idiot
(09.14.08)
Can anyone beet this guy in a race of STUPID? What a EVIL man he is? Kill Israel and look good in the eyes of your enemy/s!
52. 'ere. Mind 'ow yer step!
Gideon Reader   (09.14.08)
You,...you,...OLMERT! Oy! Did you hear what he called me? Olmert! Just like that. What, I'm not a human being, I should be called that? an Olmert. Yes brothers and sisters, the name Olmert has, because of his diligent efforts to make it so, beccome a perjorative. An imprecation. A blatant insult that in an other era would have caused faces to be slapped and swords to be drawn. Rightfully so. I cocnsider Olmert(the polititurd and political philosopher, and personal enrichment expert)to be roughly equal to that bit of matter one tries, often without success, to get off of one's shoes after crossing a plot of grass adjacent to a fire hydrant. So now I am careful to call out to passers by, "Hey. Be careful. dont step in the Olmert!" A PM to be proud of,....NOT!
53. Rivkah, Dovid ,Yoni
Psalms 83 ,   Selah   (09.14.08)
The important thing for Jew ,Christian and those in the Galut at this critical moment in israels history is to be sure we all are in G-ds WILL in our support of israel....and pray G-d will guide each one of us to do and say what he needs to be done and said....once the messiah does come ...he will sort out the petty doctrines each one of us hold.... each one christian & Jew alike will find some of our pet doctrines burnt in fire.... Let us ..Jew and christian alike seek G-ds will ...and put feet to his will for Israel
54. 53 Amen. Jews maintained the true Shabbat and the
Rivkah   (09.14.08)
importance of following the written commandments of Moses which Yeshua followed 100%. The plan of God is for the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and those who were grafted onto that religion. For the grafted in folks, the Messiah came and will come again. For the Jews, the Messiah is yet to come as the Lion of Judah. But in reality, the Messiah has come many times. What?? Many times?? Yes!! Many times! He came as the Angel of the Lord and was seen in the firey furnace of Nebuchadnezzer when Mechach, Shadrach and Nebednego were in it with Him. The Messiah came as Melchisedek, King of Salem that Abraham gave a tenth of all he had to. He came as the Angel of the Lord Daniel saw. He came as Yeshua to graft the Gentiles onto the Jewish faith. But most people do not know that or believe that which is all right. They must believe he comes once or twice or many times. That is a lot of options. Is the Lord one God if he has a son who was born of his breast tissue long ago as Job said? The throne of David, is it one throne although there were many descendants who held it? It is one throne: the throne of David. So too, there is one God: father and son are one DNA since the son is from the breast tissue of the father. He was implanted into Mary's uterus to become part man when before that he was solely the DNA of Yahweh. That is pretty awful. Would YOU want to become part dog to save dogs? Yeshua became part man to save pukey people he loved by becoming like them in some ways. Mary was NOT the mother of God. She was the mother of the man, Yeshua, who also is God the son. Mary was not part of the DNA of Yeshua that was God's. She was part of the DNA of Yeshua that became human. If it was me, I would have said, "No thanks. I'll remain Yeshua and not become part human. Let those humans perish. I've got mine, so who cares about them." So be thankful God is God and not me. I would have given the thumbs down on humanity forever instead of saving them by becoming like them.
55. Olmert: Notion of Greater Israel no longer exists
Geneugun ,   New York USA   (09.14.08)
Israel should always try to have the land which has been designed for Israel more than 2500 years ago by The Lord to Avraham. God Adonai almighty will provide it again sometime in the future, He is never fail in His promise.
56. Ehud Olmert the greatest leader the arabs ever had
zionist forever   (09.15.08)
The leaders of arab states who have attacked Israel in the past have all been blunderers or just were outclassed by Israeli military tactics which is why they lost every time. Nassralah & Ahmadinijad are both to emotional. Olmerts twin brother Arafat a corupt enemy of Israel was an idiot so allthough he did alot of damage through oslo he never achived his goals. Olmert he has political power in Israel and all he is interested in is his love of power, his ego and lining his pockets wants to make any so called painfull concesion if its going to have the international community and the arabs calling him brave, visionry, man of peace etc. Who cares about Israel he will be welcomed into any western country with open arms if he requested to emigrate with his nobel peace prize and healthy bank account while Israelis who dont have the luxury of emigrating to a safer country with enough money to keep them living in luxury have to live with the consequences of Olmerts actions. I hope the arab world appreciates their new champion, build statues, and name streets after him to honour him .. he has hellped them inflict more damage to Israel in 2 years than the entire arab world managed to do in 60.
57. Greater Israel
Larry ,   zefat   (09.15.08)
Greater Israel 30 miles wide.
58. enough to keep Olmert out of jail?
Y ,   Nitzan, Israel   (09.15.08)
Unfortunately, Olmert is right. Only the Mafdal/Echud Haleumi party of 9 seats is in favor of keeping all of Eretz Yisrael west of the Jordan River and even the Mafdal partner is suspect on this issue. But even this eleventh hour plea to the leftists probably won't keep him out of a trial or possibly jail - after all - he didn't deliver.
59. Fear Mongering
David ,   Jerusalem   (09.15.08)
The threat of a binational state if we "don't act now" has been running around for decades. The international community hasn't foisted a two-state solution on us despite all their efforts and now we're supposed to go running around like chicken little because in the wake of Oslo's failure and the Palestinian self-inflicted miasma we may have to declare victory. The international community can't foist a binational state on us. We can just say "no - it is unacceptable" as we have to the Palestinian's current demands in relation to statehood. There are other plans. and options. This isn't an either, or, situation. It almost never is. Politicians just create dialectical double binds as a ruse to advance bad plans. Ignore him. He's almost out of office, anyways.
60. It's time to REVOLT!!!!
Alkalai ,   USA   (09.15.08)
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