my sympathies lie totally with Israel-however: why is Israel allowed to have it- and other countries not? Yes, Israel is responsible and civilized- but nevertheless it does not explain why Israel should have more right than other countries. Just as the US has 'it' and is threatening other countries with sanctions and worse....you cannot TELL another country what to do- you CONVINCE it why it is not a good idea- in the past years diplomacy in the real sense has gone down the drain. Instead of constructive dialogue there is threats, hidden insults- it has turned into bullying rather than ratinal discussion. And that goes for both sides......East and West!

not evrey person is the same. when the white ppl in south africa had the atom bomb and they lost power in 94 they dismantled the bombs knowing what it would be like african leaders with it.ARAB WITH BOMBS IS DANGER TO TH INTIRE WORLD. the west must wake up and not compare israel to arab countries. arabs are like 5 year olds with a gun

Good analogy...the Arabs are like 5 year olds with guns. I would simply add beligerent and hateful to those comments....and rooted in religious zealotry. Folks like the Wisewoman from the fine country of Switzerland hasn't a clue regarding the consequences of her words. It would all be great in a perfect world if everyone agreed to some basic rules but we are dealing with a savagery amongst the Islamic populations of the ME that is unprecedented.

Thanks my point exactly. I blame the West for trying to be democratic with arab nations.... arabs are 500 years behind the west but yet the west is not wise to see that, so i dont know if it is hatred towards israel. Instead of Christan people unite they always go against each other. Jews are a nation. christen see couler and relgioun(cathlic methadist black white ect..) but they all the same. once they understand this they will understand Islam, mentality.

I see your point, and it is well taken. Not everybody agrees to play by basic rules. I read: Israel backs a ME free of nuclear arms... Israel slams, demands...the other side sounds just about the same.....as far as I know Israel has never openly admitted having nuclear capabilities, Syria denies it too, so does Iran....I am asking you: just how would you handle this situation? I read TB and the articles etc... and all I am seeing is comments and interviews that are not in the least helpful or constructive to put it politely.... and no, I don't believe dropping a bomb on a country is the solution. The search for 'weapons of mass destruction' in Iraq was not a real success, was it? We don't want to go the same way with Iran, Syria....

The answer is very simple. We did not sign the NPT. We did get the benefits that member states got, such as Syria and Iran. Being subject to a treaty that we did not sign or benefit from is not only stupid but illegal. Pakistan and India did not sign that treaty either, yet even though Pakistan is about to explode into full civil war, nobody is stating that they should be disarmed, why? Why ONLY Israel is singled out? Racism is the only answer

Because Israel will never give nukes to terrorists to explode on a subway in NY. Are you retarded? And what's with the name??? Who decided you were wise? You?

with West, I assume you mean Europe, or is it the USA you are referring to? Arabs have not always been 500 years behind. There was a time of culture, intellectual excellence in Spain, later in Persia- (Iran) before the religious fanatics destroyed it all in the name of their God... and the prophet... now they are more than 500 years behind I am afraid. How do you think the West should act? Threaten, declare war, drop a bomb? Diplomacy has worked for a long time....There have been many fierce wars in Europe (and Switzerland) over territories for hundreds of years- so don't blame the west for trying to solve this in a relatively peaceful manner.... and I certainly do not think it is hatred for Israel- not every one who disagrees with Israel's wishes, 'demands' and 'requests' is anti-semitic......name calling has to stop too..... You are talking about Christian people uniting? In the West we have countries that are mostly not just ONE RELIGION, in fact, calling countries catholic, pretestant, etc.... is misleading.- this might be hard for you to understand- you are Israeli-Jew? The West sees Israel as the home land of the Jews- but ffirst of all you are Israeli and you happen to be Jewish... as for understanding Islam: it is one thing to read the Koran- and quite another to listen to the interpretation of it from some fanatical Imam.....do YOU understand their way of thinking? How can a Christian understand? Besides what do you mean Christians going against each other? There are no terrorist attacks, no bombs. The only time this happens is when politic and religion join forces (remember Ireland?) I hope there will be a peaceful solutuion to this conflict- for Israel's sake- and ours too. :)

It's funny really - more like pathetic some would argue - but if I took your tb and replaced 'arab' with say, 'negro' or 'jew' you would all be howling your indignation and outrage at my generalisations and crassness. So why be so ignorant yourselves? Actually contrast your accusation of Arab 'belligerence' with facts. Look at the wars and death caused by the US and Israel to sovereign Arab states and compare that with the wars caused by Arab states against the West. There is no comparison of course.

Why ONLY Israel is singled out? Racism is the only answer It's not racism. It's because Israel is a nasty, small, vindictive colony that practices apartheid, builds walls around entire groups of people, attacks weak neighbouring countries like Lebanon and constantly moans in self - pity. And relies on the west for handouts and subsidies .

you said it perfectly. thanx

Thank you for your thoughtful analysis. I don't have an anwer...in an ideal world we would not have enemies who are sworn to our destruction and who are working tirelessly at refining the mechanisms of doing it en mass. The point I am simply making....and I hope the ilk like Invicta can read this clearly, is that the Jews of Europe are no more because of hoping that man would be "less evil". In the cesspool that is this world today you have to make hard calculations about national interests and existential threats in the ME. Have you listened to the sheer disgusting vitriol that spews from the Iranian regime and the Arab countries lately?

Why dont you keep your unsolicited advice to your selfs. Pardon the expression, but European idiots like yourself should not be giving advise to Jews. The holocaust was caused by people like you. Get lost, no offense intended.

I am very surprised at your very agressive (rude?) way of answering questions- . The way I see it: if we cannot even here at TB have civilized questions and answers, then how do you think there can ever be peace in the ME, in the world? Calling people stupid is not accomplishing anything- I am guessing you don't have an answer either- so maybe you should just put a sock in it and enjoy your New Year! Shana Tova, Andy.

It is all fact....the only common denominator is Arab or Muslim. Every conflict is that way....it is that a mere coincidence? The only reason the Arab/Muslim states have not is lack of capability....I can assure you there is no lack of will. You can not deny it. The bigger question is when will the greater Islamic world come into the 21st century like the other religions of our time? It is by far the most aggressive killer in the name of religion...and that's a fact Jack!

#14: thank you Yaron- #15 Moshe- I hope I did not spoil your New Year- I was asking questions not giving advice in case you didn't notice--- I will keep my opinion to myself from now on- leave you to feel sorry for yourself- and oh, this is my advice: if you are having a bad day, don't bring it to TB- , LOL. Just so you know: my family went out of their way to help your people- many Europeans who don't have their names published at the Holocaust Museum risked their lives.... I find your words very insulting.

With a racist like you it sure it. We are not a colony of anybody, we happen to be the native population. As for apartheid, funny that ALL of our neighbors have it, but we have no such laws. We do build partial walls around people that attack us. Don't like it tough. We have NEVER attacked any country. We have responded to attacks, usually after several thousand, but never have we started any conflict. As for the West, well the 3% of the GNP that we get is nice, but not exactly needed. Now for our neighbors, the hand outs amount between 10 and 99% of their GNP. You are hateful, racist moron.

of Arab 'belligerence' with facts." "Look at the wars and death caused by the US and Israel to sovereign Arab states and compare that with the wars caused by Arab states against the West. There is no comparison of course. " OK, let's do look at arab 'belligerence' Morocco and Algeria have fought at least 2 wars. Morocco invaded and occupied Spanish Sahara. Libya fought wars with both Chad and Egypt. Both short and disastrous. The 2 Yemen's before they united. Syria invaded Lebanon several times. Iraq invaded Iran and Kuwait. India and Pakistan at least 3 times. Somalia invaded Ethiopia, and my GOD lets not even cast a over the shoulder glance at Sudan. While as far as I know they have never invaded another country it's only because they are way to busy annihilating themselves. Now these wars are just a quick off the top of my head example of the old arab saying. Me against my brother, my brother and I against my cousin. Me, my brother and cousin against the world. I didn't do my usual research to confirm some of the older wars like I like to, just because there have been so many of them that if I miss one or make a mistake in what I remember it's really just a minor event. Now why do I bring this sad litany up? Because if arab on arab wars have been less destructive and bloody than the ones you've waged against the west it's because you arabs are incompetent "nasty, small, vindictive " LOSERS! That's why we have to build walls around you to keep you blood thirsty savages at bay while we live, much to you chagrin. Get used to it. We ain't going anywhere!

It has been shown conclusively the evolution of a Western and European consciousness in history is largely due to the belligerence and invasions of the Arab and Islamic world. Let's just look at the facts on the two holy cities of Christianity: Rome and Constantinople. ROME: The Arabs attacked Rome in 843, 846, and 849, including the sacking of Rome and St. Peter's itself in 846. Though they failed to occupy Rome, they occupied Sicily and Reggio, devastated Calabria, conquered Taranto and Bari (840) and Brindisi (841), destroyed Capua, and repeatedly occupied Benevento, and attacked Italian coastal towns for decades. After they had conquered the Visigoth empire in Spain, the Arabs and Berbers 729-765 from Septimania and Narbonne carried out raids into northern Italy, and in 793 again invaded southern France (Nice 813, 859 and 880). In 888 Andalusian Muslims set up a new base in Fraxinet near Frejus in French Provence, from where they started raids along the coast and in inner France. In 915, after the Battle of Garigliano, the Muslims lost their base in southern Lazio. In 926 King Hugh of Italy called the Arabs to fight against his northern Italian rivals. In 934 and 935 Genoa and La Spezia were attacked, followed by Nice in 942. In Piedmont the Muslims got as far as Asti and Novi, moving northwards along the Rhône valley and the western flank of the Alps. After defeating Burgundian troops, in 942-964 they conquered Savoy and occupied a part of Switzerland (952-960). Swiss town names such as Saaz still mark the Arabic presence in the area. To fight the Arabs, Emperor Berengar I, Hugh’s rival, called the Hungarians, who in their turn devastated northern Italy. Under the pressure of German kings, Fraxinet had to be given up in 972, but thirty years later, in 1002, Genoa was invaded, and in 1004 Pisa. Pisa und Genoa joined forces to end Muslim rule over Corsica (Islamic 810/850-930/1020) and Sardinia. From 1015 on, Sardinia was protected by the fleet of the Andalusian Emir of Dénia in Spain, who was defeated by allied Italians in 1016 and again after his invasion in 1022. Only in 1027 did the Italians succeeded in defeating the Sardinian Muslims for good; the last Muslim upheaval ended in 1050. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_(846) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Italy

CONSTANTINOPLE: Constantinople, the seat of the Byzantine Empire, was attacked by the Arab Umayyad Caliphate in 674, but the siege failed. The Second Arab Siege of Constantinople (717-718) was a combined land and sea effort by the Arabs to take Constantinople with an 80,000-strong army. The ground was frozen and the Arabs were forced to throw hundreds of their dead into the sea of Marmara, including the Arab naval commander, Admiral Sulieman. An Egyptian fleet of 400 ships and an African fleet of 360 ships arrived in the spring with fresh reinforcements, but successive assaults on the city were unable to cause a breach in its defenses. Many of the sailors who manned the Arab fleets were recently enslaved or dhimmi Christians who also deserted en masse. This battle was a severe blow to Caliph Umar II and the expansion of the Umayyad Caliphate was severely stunted during his reign. It has macrohistorical importance in that, had Constantinople fallen to this massive force of invaders, the Byzantine Empire most likely would have disintegrated and opened up new opportunities for Muslim expansion into Europe 700 years ahead of the Ottoman invasions. The Arab forces now turned to raiding Byzantine territory and making whatever easy conquests they could obtain. The sack of Amorium, Thessalonika and the invasion of Sicily and southern Italy allowed the Arabs to maintain the initiative, although slowly but surely their hold on Asia Minor was ground to dust. The Umayyad Caliphate would within a few years be reduced to Spain and later the Island of Crete. Many contemporary Arab and Western historians look at the Second Arab siege of Constantinople in the same light that modern Western historians look at the Battle of Tours, as a pivotal milestone in history that turned back the tide of Muslim incursions into Europe, ensuring Christianity would be the dominant religion at a time when Europe was in a state of disarray following the Decline of the Roman Empire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Arab_siege_of_Constantinople http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Arab_siege_of_Constantinople Just out of curiosity, Invicta, when were the holy cities of the Religion of Peace, Mecca and Medina, invaded or attacked by 'infidels'? We have heard a lot about the Crusades, but we never hear about the Arab attacks against Europe I mentioned that preceded the Crusades (and I have not even mentioned the Moslem Turks).

But when the EU built a fence in AFRICA to keep out immigrants that is okay. And their fence is twice the height of ours, hummm selective outrage? NATO bombed and invaded Serbia, and Serbia never attacked a single NATO country, hummm selective outrage? Nearly ALL the European countries have had or do current have colonies in other lands, but we have only our own land, hummm selective outrage? All of which had forms of apartheid, hummm selective outrage? Europe has been rescued by the US twice. Survived on US handouts for over a decade after World War 2, hummm selective outrage? Me thinks that Europe has a lot of their own issues to deal with. Glass houses and that sort of thing.

Wise woman Shana tova Yaron What I meant between christen v christen is Sudan for instance they are killed but Muslims, (African countries) but yet they are BLACK so why should u christens care, but, it was Jews lets say in sudden we would care because you are attacking a Jew. Do you understand my point? In Lebanon very time they attack a christen Europe does not care you see him as a Arab get my drift? I know that Arabs used to be civilized but this is now. And they are not. Imagine the pope trying to run Europe on quotes from the bible written but 2008 years ago Do u understand my point?

Europe must not attack Iran YET but unite. What I mean about Christians not uniting look at Russia are the Muslims? Are they Jews? No christens but they will let something happen because of greed power instead of uniting. Iran is playing Russia card, if they all united they would give up the bomb. Europe Can tell them look we both christens we the same why we fighting…. And yes wise woman we know how they think, Some of them think the world must be Islam, it the only way, do u see Jews going in the street and making war for there religion? Christens stopped doing it like 500 years ago converting people buy force(Africa) but now the Islam’s are doing what the christens did 500 years ago

Arab states against the west? Israel is part of the West. This conflict is truly an Arab war against Israel. You don't actually believe all this bullshit propaganda do you? The reason you all haven't attacked more is because Israel Kicked your asses every time. And don't kid yourself about the 2nd Lebanon war. Hezzabullshit got stomped.

#1 from Switzerland. Not surprised that as a Swiss whose leader meets with holocaust deniers, you ask why Israel should have the bomb. Israel's existence is threatened, that's why. Iran's is not.

you are suddenly very quiet...cat got your tongue? OR have you awoken from your drunken stooper?

spite and you know no limits to your hateful Islamo-fascism. You are generalizing instead of showing why Israel really had to fence out the palestinians. For your stupidity and your palis' raw terror attacks on innocent Israelis. Now, if you call Israel a colony you are in spite of the UN and its charter, but you wouldn't care,would you? Just go ahead with your hate filled scribbles. Why don't you invest your poison elsewhere, say, in your terrorist buddies ? Maybe this way you will convince them to stop their crimes against us and humanity.

I hope Invicta,Observer, World observer, Mahmood of Londonium and others (I mean,other Islamo fascists of their like) will take notice.