In yiddish Yid is not at all derogatory [ thank you Kim , a new word for my vocabulary ] . In my birth town i had to meet a [ Orthodox , of course ] Rabbi . We were talking and i asked him if he knew my great uncle Smelke .....[ a true Charidi ] He looked at me and said : A faine Yid . A good Jew . Not derogatory at all . You can also say : a faine Goy , not derogatory neither .

I have one and I actually do have some porn on it, though mostly music. It's convenient, easy to carry and generally agreeable. No reason to object to this lovely piece of technology.

Yes Rebecca every sect has it's extremists. That being said, excusing such extremism as you do is stupid. I merely ask you, what if you were the lady who was abused by those extremists? Would you merely mutter and turn away? Religious extremism is no different than any other extremism and should treated in exactly the same manner. Apparently the only law you believe to be proper is rabbinic law.

There's something very ominous about the modesty patrols. As is shown in this article, it can taken and abused. Furthermore, it is really contrary to the tenets of democracy to which the state of Israel was founded on. Also, ones observervance of Torah should always be something that is voluntary. The minute that society-even a portion of it-or the state get involved in enforcing it, it threatens the freedoms of speech, religion and expression citizens are entitled to. On "Yiddishkeit" I don't particularly like this term, as for me its a term that excludes Sephardim, Mizrachim, and other Jews who were not in East Europe. It's a term, if used at all, that should stay in Yiddish where it belongs. Another issue is that, in many East European languages, the term is used as a rather nasty 4 letter word against Jews. It's something that's associated with the anti-semitism that many Jews sought to escape when they made Aliyah to Israel.

people within an ethnic group can call each other a slur and it is just another generic insult. someone outside that ethnic group uses that same word and it is then a racist epithet or smear. it all depends on the context in which it is used.

people who bahave this way.

But they are not representative of the entire group. Are all members of the secular community people who marry their son's wife and kill their grand-daughter? NO! Please! Understand that Haredim do not want Israel to be blown up like Iran does or that buses should be blown up like by Hamas. NO! We want all Israelis to be happy! But happiness comes from keeping the faith of Moshe Rabenu and preparing for Olam Haba by keeping our loving Fathers commandments with love and fear. Learn Torah! That is what our ancestors were tortured for for twenty centuries! To serve our God who loves us! Will their suffering be in vain?

Why can't Israel be like Italy and Ireland? These countries are very religous! All the citezens are of the same faith, an official goverment backed religion that has many laws and rules and they all keep them. How come Israel isn't like them? Why must Israel be different? Why can't Israel be like England that went through a period of puritanism under Oliver Cromwell? George Washington looks Haredi. America was started by Haredi looking Christians. Every country has deep respect for their religion EVEN IF THEY DON'T KEEP IT AS MUCH AS THEY SHOULD! WHY IS ISRAEL THE ONLY COUNTRY WHERE THE MEDIA AND PEOPLE DON'T RESPECT THEIR OWN RELIGION? Why can't you be country like all others and completly embrace your religion?

The main difference between the Taliban and the Hareidim, is that the latter don't use AK-47s or carry out suicide attacks. But who knows for how much longer?

...hands on a woman. I would beat the ever living gefilte fish out of him.

When a Jew talks about a Jew , it's never derogatory . When a non Jew uses this word , it can be so . This word is then the same as youpin , youtre or smous in French asnd Dutch . Insulting . The same with Jewish jokes . When a Jew tells one , we can laugh . The same told by a non Jew , and he is an antisemite . All depends who and in wich context

All the citizens are of the same faith ....you wrote regarding Italy . What about the Jews who live in Italy ? What about the masses of non religious Italians ? Why we can't be the same ? Simply because here the religion interferes much more in our daily life . Are there buses in Italy on Sunday ? Yes . Trains , cafes , restaurants , cinemas and so on ? Yes . Here ? No . If our country had to be as others , the seculars would'nt have any problems with the religious .

Charlie boy - put a sock in it why don't you and stop being such an ass and start paying attention. This article is about a specific group of Haredi 'Zealots' - And it is THOSE that I am referring to. So, in your haste to educate me, you've made yourself look like an Idiot..........again. Same thing with the ‘Beautiful Synagogues” article - if you cannot separate architectural preferences from religion then you’d better go and get yourself an education – or keep quiet.

You wrote : THE charidim , not those . When i'm writing a tb who refers to some people , i write THOSE . Otherwise it would be the whole community . So before trying to teach me , go to school . And , Charlie is only for good friends . Regarding those synagogues , you don't like them all ? no problem for me . Al Ta'am....But coming from you , it has a taste of your anti religious ideas

Write those , not "the" So don't try to teach me . Better go to school and be less hatefull .

Where is say : HERE , No , i'm refering to Shabbat , not Sunday of course

You are just an annoyance now. I think you have a problem with religion. You seem dazed and confused most of the time when you write. Maybe go and sit in a corner and meditate if you can. Otherwise, don't read in TBs what people didn't write and make up your own conclusions about them – YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW ME!!!! Now, I think we are done here. I've nothing more to say to you, not on this subject, not on any.

I have'nt any problem with religion , only with hatefull people . People who don't know what they write . And you are amongst them . Poor old "lady" , i'm sorry for you .

Although i dont condone these actions i have to point out that every county has a minority of religious zealots that try and take the law into their own hands. WHat this article is failing to mention is how isolated these cases are here. The main majority of Haradi are not like that and do not support these actions. The author is trying to make a mountain out of a molehill by comparing them to the freaks in Iran. Thats ridiculous as the women in black in Iran are sponsored by the government. You never hear of gays being hung, or women stoned to death for their lack of modesty here. This articles only purpose is to try and fool the people into thinking this is a major problem and demonize the religious...........more leftist sneaky tricks that i see alot are fooled by here.

Where Jewish fundementalist men have physically attacked women. Maybe they had dispensations from their rabbis to do that. I was on a run last night, and one young Man in Black approached me to donate to his yeshiva, even though I was in shorts and a tank top.

And another TBer asked about the hangings of homosexuals, etc in Iran and could it happen here..... My Dear Child..... Just look around and ask yourself if it could happen in Israel.....Yes it will.....Evantually

Maybe its the Pally's dressing up as Haredi and giving the religious a bad name, maybe its leftie Israelis who are trying to provoke trouble leading to a civil war, Hey, maybe its santa claus trying to steal Hannukah and leaving all the little jewish children without 8 crazy nights..... Maybe its a bunch of moles, trying to push their hills into mountains, or maybe its human looking pengiuins fighting back over global warming... Or Maybe,,,, just maybe,,, its religious jewish people who ACTUALLY think they are doing Gods work and feel that this is the way to live...... A Plague on both your houses.

There are no modesty patrols. "The modesty police are not an organized phenomenon," says the fine print. Also, Rabbi Shlomo Amar's son is not even religious. His motivation wasn't modesty patrol. Go look into that story and see what a giant lie this article is.

If it is fact that the herediim find "modesty patrols" not to their liking, why not do something concrete about it. Talking is meaningless, actions are required. One thing I will say, if anyone even says a word to my wife or daughter because their forearms are uncovered, he better be ready to fight for his life.

I saw your post and look at it with interest, as they are usually well thought out. I still wouldn't be calling another Jew by a term that could be used as a slur from the outside. There are 2 more good reasons: 1) The person could be offended. I know I would be if another Jew called me by such a name. and 2) One could be perceived as being a self-hating Jew. This is a particularly ugly label to have-and what makes it worse is that it comes from within the community. Frankly, I'm quite happy with being Jewish, The last thing I want to do is give the wrong impression by carelessly using such words outside the realm of Yiddish culture.

Such a hate filled "person" !

If you delete the maybe : it's [ i add : some ] "religious" people who actually act ......Yes , then it's right . Those "religious" think that god has send them to fullfil this despicable job . They think that god is not patient , that they have to punish those "sinners" Not all of them are so , and it's a very secular , but objective , Israeli Jew who says it .

While I agree with you regarding making generalizations about the Heredi as Telula did, I must say I was really taken back when I read you saying she is the most hateful person. As long as I have been reading these talkbacks (two years) I have never seen anyone display as much hate as you Charles. You have nothing good to say to anyone who disagrees with you. You love to call people nasty names and call them ignorant. For hateful Charles, you win the prize. You have a big log in your eye and only stone for a heart. I am very sad for you. I hope you will someday see your need.