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Rabbi in Vatican says wartime pope let Jews down
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Published: 06.10.08, 22:12
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1. TIME FOR A CATHOLIC "YOM KIPPUR"
ROLAND SEENER ,   LONDON ENGLAND   (10.06.08)
2. YO RABBI, REMEMBER THE LAST WAR IS WITH EDOM ROMANS XTIANS
NOT MENTION NAMES? ,   ..............DACON9   (10.07.08)
RABBI, WHO IS YOUR G'D? YOU DONT MENTION NAMES? WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF? DOESNT SEEM LIKE YOU FEAR THE ONE HOLY G'D OF ISRAEL AND ALL THINGS ARE YOU A JEW? REPRESENTING HOLOCAUST VICTIMS? NOT TO ME, NOT WHEN YOU MINCE WORDS, NOT WHEN YOU FEAR OFFENDING THE OFFENDERS, AND YOU ACT LIKE THIS BEFORE G'D BEFORE YOM KIPPOR? YOUR ANOTHER ONE THAT HAS TO HAND IN YOUR KIPA AND ZTIZTIT. I AM FED UP WITH THESE APPEASERS AND WEAK PATHETIC MEN CALLING THEM SELFS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL. IT WAS ROME THAT KILLED US MR RABBI,,AND YOU ARE NOT GONNA MENTION NAMES? AND BE GENTLE? I AM NOT ASKING YOU WHY.. I AM TELLING YOU THAT YOU'RE A FAILURE
3. Why Vatican dose not recognize E Jerus &W.B part of Israel
e.m Jordan is Palse ,   s.f   (10.07.08)
Isn’t Vatican play double standard? Dose Vatican knows the history of Judah and Samaria? Dose Vatican believes that the Joshua or Jesus was born as a Jewish in Bet Lekhem? Isn’t right now Vatican following the same policy that followed in ww2? Dose Vatican has the secret agreement with nations of Islam regarding to State of Israel? If not then what is the reason that Vatican won’t recognize the E. Jerusalem and Yehouda and Shomron is part of Jewish State?
4. then, how much is the Vaticans budget?
(10.07.08)
surprise; it can't afford funding even a few victims
5. WARTIME POPE
Aloha Bob ,   Waimea U.S.A   (10.07.08)
Greetings from Hawaii - I recall reading several years ago: 1 - Hitler ordered Pope Pius XII to be kidnapped, but a German general warned the Pope, who said he could demonstrate his bonafides by releasing a certain number of Jewish captives, which he did; 2 - After World War II, the Rabbi of Rome converted to Catholicism, presumably because of the Church's assistance to Jews. I'm not Catholic, but I'm wondering if anyone has any more information on the above items, true or false. To mix our warm ethnic greetings, Shaloha!
6. Rabbi Shear Hashuv Cohen¬s comments
simon russo ,   the caleta.Gibraltar   (10.07.08)
The Head of the Catholics does not have to especially go out of his way and stick his neck out for people not of his following or faith.! Cohens comments are superfluerse,unwarranted,arrogant,and does nothing to better relations?
7. pius XII didn't speak loud, but consider this
dany ,   turin   (10.07.08)
In italy lived about 40.000 Jews before the war. About 7.000 died because of shoah. The most of the survivors, escape death hiding in convents and monastery. Could it be possible without a Vatican order? best regards
8. Why didn't the pope excommunicate
jason white ,   afula,israel   (10.07.08)
all catholic nazis and fascists?
9. # 6
Bill ,   US   (10.07.08)
I think the Head of the Catholics should have been more outspoken when two of his followers, Eichmann and Hitler were butchering millions of people. Pius had no problem threatening excommunication to any Catholic who attended pro-Communist rallies but pro-Nazi rallies? No, then it was important to remain silent. Let's not forget that the Nazi party would never have come to power in Germany without help from Germany's Catholic party.
10. #6, ever hear about basic human decency?
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (10.07.08)
The various Christian denominations often preach about saving the souls of those of us who don't follow Christianity, and about how they want to bring us to salvation from Hell. So are you thus claiming that it simply doesn't work that way when it comes to saving our actual lives, eh? If the leader of a large, if not *the* largest, Christian denomination, can turn a blind eye to genocide in his own back yard, when gathering the Faithful to help and prevent it was possibly within his power, or at the very least lower the death toll and save those they could... Then maybe, just maybe, that kind of behavior needs to be condemned. If you cannot look beyond the way people pray, and how their envision who they pray to, and realize that before that very Almighty Lord we are all equal, and all held accountable... then maybe that is the biggest problem of all, in our inter-faith relations.
11. Well, gee, #6. I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition!
Jake   (10.07.08)
12. Dany #7, Italian clergy acted on their own initiative
Jake   (10.07.08)
It is correct that 85% of the Jewish community in Italy survived the Holocaust, which is one of the highest survival rates in German-occupied Europe. It is also correct that many Jews in Italy were saved thanks to the protection by lower ranking Catholic clergy. In general, Jews in Italy were better integrated into Italian society than in many other European countries, and they had forged close ties with their Catholic neighbors. However, this is no thanks to Pius XII, who was the leader of Catholics around the world, including in Germany, and he could have used his unique position to galvanize the faithful against the persecution of Jews outside of Italy, as well as in Rome itself when the city was occupied by the Germans. Cardinal Roncalli, later Pope John XXIII, by contrast, worked directly with the Jewish Agency to save Jews in eastern and central Europe and arrange for their safe passage to freedom, often disobeying directives from the Pope himself.
13. WWII -Popes-Rabbies
mark ,   canada   (03.06.09)
'Did the Pope do enough?' Many people with probably far more courage than I, did things for others during that war that many would be to afraid to do today. Then again, do not underestimate the human spirit. Someone is saying they did it quietly. I would think that there are two axes grinding here, each with their own ideas as to what may have been done, opposed to what was possible--at the risk of your own life in those circumstances. Until the uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto, no one knew that such raw courage existed in the human spirit. By many accounts that I have read, there were rabbies who advocated doing nothing, "if Hitler only knew" and later, 'If Stalin only knew" by the Russian nation. The rabbies who advocated doing nothing, condemned countless numbers to death. They were all martyrs, and their courage is honored--forever. If each and every person who died in that time had resisted, --I wonder what would have happened. I also like to ask the question--'Do we, when we do something for one another, sing our own praises from the roof tops, or, do we need to have others sing our praises on every street corner? I cannot condemn anyone, people tried to do their best. Only God can say with real certainty. May the millions who perished be in our hearts and minds. However, are we doing enough-- today --for one another, for we are the living. Nothing more can be done for the dead.
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