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Foreign Ministry fears anti-Israel mood in Germany growing
Roni Sofer
Published: 28.10.08, 13:04
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1. CAN'T BLAME THEM
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (10.28.08)
It is the Israeli government that tells the world that it is not our land ,gives it away and kicks Jews out of their homes in the middle of the night , so why should Germans think any different .
2. fear of germany
elliot ,   usa   (10.28.08)
be afraid--that is why they were first kept divided and then incorporated into europe but they are either uder your foot or at your throat!today their prejudices are shared by liberal chattering classes and oil interests.
3. MANY GERMANS VOLUNTEERED ON KIBBITZES - LISTEN TO THEM
andrew ,   miami,fl   (10.28.08)
4. wanna get it folks ???
avi   (10.28.08)
google "recapturing - america - ehrlich" ... you'll be changed for ever.
5. # 1 - You are right
Nethanel ,   G. Etzion   (10.28.08)
As an immigrant from Germany I only can agree that Israeli Hasbara is bad to non existant. Most Israelis individuals or groups coming to Germany are non-religious or leftist, so how a regular German should get a different view? Amos Oz is all present there. Germans and Europeans just quote them or from Haaretz style media. As Jews, we should rely just on ourselves and not on allies who do not help when it is critical. If you really want a good argument with Germans, just ask them why Poland still occupies German territory and settled them after all Germans were expelled. As the Germans, the Arabs lost a war in 1967 and they pay for it. So simple.
6. Germany and Obama
j ,   j   (10.28.08)
it seems germans also love Obama...wake up people!
7. Listen to Them
Shimon ,   Cincinnati, USA   (10.28.08)
The Germans are telling you that the Palestinians have won the battle for public opinion in the media. Granted, the Germans are reacting to years of being the children of the perpetrators of the Holocaust and it's guilt, and that they never liked the Jews anyway (which is one of the REAL reasons H***ler succeeded) but learn more quickly and start being 'the victim' and stop being Goliat to their David. The last paragraph was brilliant, because it's so true AND SHOULD BE THROWN IN THEIR FACE by the same Israelis that are "tearing their hair out". It may not sell more tickets, but it's a gut punch they richly deserve.
8. Anti Israel mood growing
Talula ,   Israel   (10.28.08)
So, no news there then. And really, why should we care. No-one is going to take care of us and our country - that's down to us. It's time we stop worrying what everyone thinks of us. Besides, I'd still rather be Israeli than Palestinian - because the international community have all but stopped caring about them.
9. Pornography on YNET?
Cohen ,   Jerusalem   (10.28.08)
What is this photo of Peres and Merkel? I thought Ynet was a respectable site and not one known for pornography. Shame on you Ynet. I hope Peres can keep his pants zipped long enough for us to get out of the Hamas/Hezbollah mess.
10. No surprise here!!
avner ,   jerusalem, israel   (10.28.08)
We are talking of the descendants of the same people that sent us to gas chambers, so nothing new here. The problem is that we expect something from them!
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12. Nothing has changed
Raoul ,   Israel   (10.28.08)
Well, at least this article makes things crystal clear that Germans must be viewed in EXACTLY the same way that they were viewed in hitler's time. No longer can the present generation plead innocence that they were not around then.
13. And really, change that picture!
Talula ,   Israel   (10.28.08)
looks like the pair of them have just got back from a Tzimmer up north!
14. Its because of $
nadav ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (10.28.08)
The Germans make billions from the Iranian economy, its not just the Europeanization of their mentality toward Israel. The "palestinians" as they call themselves, one the PR war last decade- nothing new there. They are backed up from billions of Petro $$ from th Gulf states who have their hands in all the right places in Europe's economy. For all thsoe people criticing Israel's Hasbara- REMINDER- Israel doesn't have the trillion dollar soverign wealth fund that the Saudies and UAE have!! Only so much can be done...
15. Anti Israeli occupation is global, not only in Germany!!
Moise   (10.28.08)
Open up your eyes guys, the only friends Israel still has are a minuscule minority of elite in Europe and North America, who are still holding the decision making centers. Not for too long though, they have lost all credibility and soon they will be ousted. Even in the US the closest allies, the majority of American people are against the Israeli occupation. Open up you eyes and hearts guys and be reasonable and stop your injustice.
16. Islamist immigrant Groups in Universities
GZLives   (10.28.08)
Spread their myths and lies and the left including Jews, take that ball and run with it. At the same time Israel always makes the mistake during their frequent wars of not quickly overwhelming the enemy despite the Left's handwringing. Israel ALWAYS allows things to fester hoping to massage some solution. Israel needs to use the Russian model with Chechnya. Overwhelm, let the public scream and in a few weeks, no one will even remember. Instead the wound is left open and the Arabs are allowed to propagandize. Hamas in Gaza should have been crushed. Hezbollah should have been crushed no matter how many Lebanese ended up dead. Instead look what we have?
17. Shameful
Leah   (10.28.08)
This article reminds me of that famous old quote "the more things change the more they remain the same".
18. Impotent Israeli PR ...
val ,   eurabia   (10.28.08)
...is the problem. The Israeli political voice is not heard in EU. The incompetence and ignorance is the brightest features of Foreign Affairs Office, Knesset and Co.
19. #9 This photo indeed...
Soeren ,   Cologne/Germany   (10.28.08)
... is great... ;-) When dealing with "Israel" – for a lot of Germans two patterns pop up: "guilt-related" and snapshots from the news coverage. The most don't have any realistic idea what REALLY happened in the last 60 years in the Middle East. "Only the Palestinians decided not to found a state?" Who in Germany knows that? Who knows who Al-Husseini was? Who knows that the Palestinians were NOT fighting because they only wanted a state for their own (most believe that!!)? But... FOR WHAT did they fight then? So the problem has a LOGICAL-INTELLECTUAL and an EMOTIONAL component. Crying "antisemitism" brings nothing if one isn't able to "decipher" this phenomenon, to understand the underlying emotions and thought patterns. Myself I'm sometimes engaged in these battles for fighting anti-Israel stereotypes: So I can say that most young Germans are not evil – but they know nearly anything about the realities of the Middle East so their conclusions are utterly wrong. I would like to know if the embassy staff who visits school classes, discusses some questions with the youngsters: 1.) "Do you think it was good that the survivors of the camps found a safe haven in Israel?" –"Yes, but the Palestinians...!" –"Sometimes there are people who always talk about "the fate of the Palestinians" and never lose a word about their responsibility for the fate of the survivors. And some even "love" the Palestinians – because on a certain level they see them as avengers for Germany [Palestinians allow them to counter-accuse]. But... ok... let's see what really happened in 1947. We Israelis are responsible for the Palestinian situation, that they have no state? Ok, let's see if it's true, let's see what logics and history say about this...!!" 2.) "Do you think that it is antisemitism to accuse Israelis for things they aren't responsible for? ...Ok, let's see for what Israel is responsible – and for what it isn't." Means... you have to WORK with young people! It means opening up a universe of history with plenty of interesting questions and miracles to discover. If there is not an EMOTIONAL and HISTORICAL-INTELLECTUAL understanding of why Israel acts as it does – the even more advanced questions make no sense, I guess. While I admit that we have some silly people in Germany, also some antisemites and some ignoramuses. For a German "Israel" has an emotional and an intellectual dimension. Answers have to be found on both levels. And in dealing with young people both dimensions should be addressed – in a way the young people can deal with...
20. The Western champions of "peace" have opted to sell ...
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (10.28.08)
The Western champions of "peace" have opted to sell Israel and the Jews out to the Jihadists The greatest irony of the West's collusion with the Arabs and Iran in their war against the Jews - the logical outcome of the twin delusions of anti-Semitism - that Jews are all powerful and that the Jews must be cut down to size - is the destruction of Israel… If that happens, the West will find itself in jaws of the Islamic Jihadists . More at : http://xrl.us/otzko
21. Might is Right
Chaim ,   Canada   (10.28.08)
The main reason for the gradual change in German attitudes is the behaviour of the Israeli government. When the government negotiates giving away Jerusalem, the world thinks “this cannot be the HEART of the Jewish people. Who would give away his heart?”. When the Arabs rain thousands of missiles on Israel from Gaza, the world thinks “the Arabs are so angry they must have a legitimate grievance”. When Israel does not respond forcefully, the world thinks “the Israelis are holding back because they feel guilty of the way they treat the Palestinians”. The Jewish traits of charity and magnanimity are not understood by the Europeans. They understand that Might is Right. As long as Israel behaves as a weakling and begs the world to understand it, the world attitude will be increasingly negative. If Israel acted forcefully and decisively, the world would respect it and view it positively.
22. # 1 Israel brought this on Itself
Larry ,   zefat Israel   (10.28.08)
You are 100% correct .The stupid Israelis are their own worst Enemies.
23. the germans are just telling the truth
salleh ,   malaysia   (10.28.08)
how can you deny what the germans are saying about the fact That's not your country,' 'It's a shame that a Jewish country was established on stolen land,' 'Israel is treating the Palestinians like the Nazis treated the Jews' and 'We are equally responsible towards the Palestinians as we are towards the Jews.'" why don't you be real? and if you do you don't have to be defensive anymore!
24. Does Peres look......
Cohen ,   telaviv   (10.29.08)
H*rney in the picture above, or am I mistaken?
25. Resurgance of Nazism?
Anti-Semitism ,   England, UK   (10.29.08)
....is alive and well in modern Germany as Raoul (#12) points out. I think he succintly sums up what modern day Germany is all about apart from the honourable exception of Angela Merkel and a few others in her government. It won't be long before the Nazi beast again raises its brutal head in post-Hitler Germany.
26. germans are telling the truth
alex ,   berlin, germany   (10.30.08)
@ salleh, well, i as a german , who is not the least ashamed to be german would like to tell you the truth: the truth is, salleh, you are a total no-brainer and the garbage coming out of the upper orifice of the unholy receptacle of your diseased mind is sickening me to the core. if my forefathers had given palestinians the treatment you claim israel is handing to them, their population wouldn't have multiplied near to fivefold from 1948 to 2006..... old-school german "sonderbehandlung" would have ensured that the entire palestinian population could be ferried to the egyptian border in a 54-seater bus. you better think about drawing such comparisons. i know you won't though -
27. germans
Yaakov Arie Rietberg ,   Parrearra, Australia   (11.01.08)
For the Jews to be hated by the germans is no surprise, seeing that there is historic evidence that they of an arab origin. The country now known as germany is originally from the Assyrian race! Douglas Winnail is able to explain it’s history. Yaakov
28. The Germans owe us
Sasch ,   Cape Town, South Afr   (11.10.08)
Your prejudice towards the germans is incredible! You must be the most hating nation on this planet! You make me ashamed, to call myself a jew. And henceforth I will refer to you as you in this comment as I am not Israeli. You make as if the germans owe you something! What do the current generation owe you? What? NOTHING!!! It is the guilt that keeps getting thrown at the current german generation that changes opinions. Just remember, with guilt comes resentment. Stop the hate! Look after yourselves and take care of yourselves!
29. Treblinka
Thomas Turk ,   Phuket Thailand   (11.10.08)
Maybe the Germans have been watching disgusting, anti-semitic conspiracy theory U-tube movies,, like the Australian ground-radar team that looked around Treblinka for the graves.
30. What about the German Holocaust?
Peter Rossa ,   London England   (11.09.08)
Allways this talk about the Jewish Holocaust and how the Germans must pay, but look how difficult it is to find details on the holocaust that Polish Jews inflicted on ethnic Germans in what was Prussia after the first world war, yes, before the Nazis where persecuting Jews, Jews where massacring German woman and children in Poland. Many of us survived and wonder why the Germans are forever to be demonised for thier inhumane crimes, whilst the Jews can erase the skeletons in thier cupboards. Untill the Jews admit and repent of thier crimes also, anti-semitism will be hard to erase.
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