1. Israel should not seek to make peace at any price.
There is no hope for the Jewish state surviving in the nastiest neighborhood in the world if it presents itself as inwardly irresolute and unwilling to engage in war. The Arab adversary should always be fully aware that Israel is resolute, steadfast and more ready to wage war than agree to a fraudulent peace. If the Arab and Muslim world rejects Israel, it must live with the consequences of its enmity and become the ultimate loser. A Jewish state, which no longer seeks to make peace at any price will prosper and grow. It will also engender respect from both its friends and its enemies. As to the Palestinians peoplehood: http://xrl.us/osjrj
| Robert Bernier , |
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2. This can only benefit the Hatikva party
Let's hope that this opens the eyes of the right wingers who had pinned their hopes on someone who had betrayed in the past.
The only home for them is the Hatikva party. There should be no compromise on one core issue: the holy land of Israel. Once you lose that, you've lost your soul, then your security, and eventually you'll lose the whole country.
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3. Olmert Joins peace Now
Since Beilin is now leaving, perhaps Olmert can join them!
| eddie , |
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4. Can't Anything SHUT UP that Olmert fool?
Though he is corrupt and stupid and lurks in single diget's on poll of how dismally Israeli's regard him he will keeps up his leftist "give away Jerusalem and most of the land of Israel for useless pieces of paper promising peace from Arabs.
He is the most colossal fool ever produced by Israel, except maybe Ehud Barak.
| Claudia , |
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5. Have any Arab countries honored their dead ...
by giving land to Israel? I don't know of any Arab country ever just giving land to Israel. Do we have an Abdul Aziz Memorial Kibbutz? Or an Al-Saud Memorial West Bank? If anyone out there knows of an land in Israel ceded to us by Arabs in honor of any dead Arab, or for any other reason, please post. I am just curious.
| Just Curious , |
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6. Marcella #2: Where can I find Hatikva's platform?
Does Hatikva reject the existence of God? I read Hatikva is a secular party.
The Jews right to the land of Israel is Biblical, isn't it?
Without this 'religious' component, isn't Hatikva an ideological movement like most other ideological movements, subject to change?
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7. Remembering Rabin is remembering Oslo failure.
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8. # ... Hashem, but
gam zu le tova, so as to stall Kadima in people's mind . Rabin wouldn't have say that, especially at the time he was murdered, time when he began to do Teshuva ...
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9. this guy needs to shut his mouth already
..and stop tryin to deflect attention from all of his crimes by nonsense speeches. like orlev said, rabin didn't dare support the negotiating of jerusalem's future so why bring it up at rabin's memorial? idiot.
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10. correction
i meant like what "Yishai" said about jerusalem being non-negotiable, not Orlev.
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11. Olmerts speech
If the borders of '67 were so good, why did the Arabs start a war?
Neal the Hasmonean
| Neal Rothner , |
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12. #6 Steve - About Hatikva - Zionist National Party
I figure that most of their info. is in Hebrew.
Wikipedia led me to their website (with very little in English, though)
"The Hatikva Party offers the People a political home, and leadership, based upon two overriding principles:
"Unity of the Land: The Land of Israel from the River to the Sea, from the Hermon Mount-Golan to Eilat is the home of the Jewish People. It is the territorial and spiritual inheritance of the Jewish People, it cannot and will not be partitioned with any other political entity.
"Unity of the People: Citizen's right in the Jewish State, inclusive of the right to participate in polls and to be elected, is contingent upon the completion of Citizens' duties, consisting of National and Military service conductive to the security of the Jewish State.
http://yuval.memebot.com/hatikva/main_en.htm
Hatikva has Aryeh Eldad, Yuval Brandstetter and Ron Breitman in it.
Steve, if you go to A7 and do a search under the word Hatikva, you'll find lots of articles about it.
Here's one:
Eldad said: "We must provide a political home to those who do not want to support a religious party, but who are patriots nonetheless who don't want a Palestinian state and who want to fight corruption. We must give them a different hope and alternative, or else they will either not vote at all or vote for parties that have long abandoned the right-wing ideology."
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128227
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13. Sounds like Olmert isn't getting any at home
Aliza must have cut him off till he spouts her Women in Black- Machsom Watch crap
| Mendy , |
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14. Olmert has lost the plot!
Now that he is on his way out more of his true colours are revealed. As #11 correctly states, if the 1967 borders were acceptable why did the arabs attack? It is a farce to believe anything but the destruction of Israel will satisfy them. All the leftists of Israel and their fellow leftist Jews abroad have no love for the country. If Obama is being influenced by leftist Jews, what are we to expect?
Sadly the only hope for Jews to survive in Israel longterm involves armed conflict or to instill fear on their enemies that they would not hesitate to do so if they carry on with their confrontational policies.
Netanyahu may be able to place Israel on a secure course but that has to involve convincing the majority of the population that compromising with terror and giving away Israel in bits and pieces will lead to the ultimate doom of the country. He has to stand firm on issues and deal with threats firmly and with a cool approach. Rhetoric has got Israel in the current quagmire it finds itself in.
If all this means distancing the Jewish state from the US a little then so be it.
Should Israel allow itself to be sold for a few shekels or should it chose long term survival? Or, is it doomed both ways?
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15. Peace now is right, sort of,
Olmert's speech was historic. It was historic in that it was the first time a setting PM has openly committed treason and no one does anything about it. Olmerts remarks are seen as a surrender to Israel's enemies. Yet, he remains in office. What does he have to do before being replaced. He has resigned. He has committed treason, and yet he speaks out and keeps the PM office. He should be removed immediately, even if by military coup.
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16. Marcella #12: I wonder if a secular party will succeed
Though I have been disappointed with religious parties in Israel -- particularly Shas -- it seems to me there has to be more than "patriotism" and nationalist ideology to succeed. What secular party has succeeded. Herut is pretty much done. Likud is going the way of Herut.
I base the Jews' right to the land of Israel -- all of it -- on our God-given right. Other than our covenant with the Almighty, on what basis do we Jews have a claim to this land any more than the Muslim-Arabs?
If I were speaking to George W. Bush, a self professed Christian, I would tell Bush he is defying the the Biblical mandate that all of Israel belongs to the Jews.
I would warn Bush that God will judge America because of the very thing Bush has done to Israel. I would warn Barack Obama not to go down the path Bush went down.
What would Eldad's talking points be? "We believe we have an eternal - secular right to this land." (?)
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17. #16 Steve
The little I know about the party sounds good to me and - although the quote I gave you does not say so - Hatikva is more like a coalition of both the secular and the religious working toward big common goals: the integrity of the land, the Jewishness of the state.
I like Moshe Feiglin, I like his principles a lot, but I've heard him speak and he does not have a lot of charisma. And he needs charisma in addition to good principles to succeed and attract a broader base. If you read his columns, he sounds like a philosopher more than a politician. That is a good thing, but not in critical times such as this.
The more realistic among the religious Zionists have to understand that they don't stand a chance with Likud.
Although I share the values of the religious, I'm not observant. I'm secular.
I uphold the sacred value of Jewish land as my heritage, but I am also a practical person who knows that a shrunken Israel cannot survive.
And that's why I believe that religious Zionists need to reach out to the most patriotic seculars and work with them.
Those principles enunciated by Hatikva are important for the very survival of the country, whether the voter is religious or not.
And, although I don't dispute the right to the land based on the Covenant with G-d (the Bible as land title), I also take into account the original designation of this land in the early 20th century as a home for all Jews, and I reject the later amendments to the original division of the land. Although I'm realistic enough to see Jordan as an Arab state that's there to stay, I don't support the creation of yet another state carved out of the little land that's still left over for Israel.
Israel is not only for the religious, Steve, it's also for all persecuted Jews, which includes seculars.
Anyway, desperate times call for desperate measures. Patriotic Israeli voters should not linger too long on details. What's needed is to get rid of the left that is destroying the country, and to protect the integrity of the land. For starters. And that can be best achieved by uniting the secular and the observant.
After the left is removed from power and the right wing consolidates itself in a strong coalition, then the different factions can discuss government styles and certain important challenges.
A federation between a religiously governed territory and a secularly governed one would probably work best... But I'm getting too far ahead...
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18. #16 Steve. They just posted a video with Hatikva's platform
What a coincidence!
Just click in here to listen to Dr. Aryeh Eldad explaining the platform of the Hatikva coalition.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128331
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19. Interesting..................
I don't take part in Israeli politics despite the fact that I am an Israeli citizen because I live in the Galut. Nevertheless I do have a question for the Israeli Left; is it better to have a crook for PM if he utters unrealistic hard left views or a center/center-left honest politician who might have a more realistic view of the Israel-Palestinian situation? It is embarassing for an organization like "Peace Now" to grovel at the feet of a crook. It demeans them and sends a bad civic lesson to young Israelis.
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20. If the speech is "historic", than how could it be Rabin's?
The left claims that this is what Rabin would have wanted but also admits that this is the first time in Israeli history a PM of Israel has made a demand that Israel withdraw totally to the 1967 lines.
Clearly, Rabin would not have wanted this and his memory is being abused.
Also, Olmert is making it impossible for Israel to negotiate from a position of strength by giving everything away without asking for anything in return, not even a paper peace agreement. Worse, Olmert is inciting hate against everyone on the right in the process, a huge portion of Israel's population.
Is he insane? What does Olmert think he will accomplish with his delusional belief that Arab hostility to Jews is all the fault of the Jews? Does he really believe that life with Muslims was great for the Jews before Israel was created? Does he really believe that Arabs will live in peace with Israel if they believe they are strong enough to take it (no matter what peace deals have been signed)?
I just do not know.
| Matt C , |
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21. OLMERT: SHUT UP
You have caused enough trouble already
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22. A big success... as was ceding Aza
If Sderot and Ashkelon have been under permanent qassam fire ever since the Jews' expulsion from Aza, what the hell will we get here in J'lem from the cousins across the street?? Candy?
| gabriela ben ari , |
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