31. no flour, plenty of rockets though
if the hamas cared for palestinians they would use money given to them and buy food and medicine. but they are too busy making an arsenal to care.
im hungry too, because the 2 supermarkets in town got a rocket yesterday so i couldn't go shopping.
i live in fear each day, going to bed not sure if ill wake up and they complain to the world. poor them. stop firing at us and you'll get food. is that sooo complicated?
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32. Gazans have Hamas
They can take their complaints to their leaders. Hamas says no ceasefire, no peace, no recognition of Israel and send their devil dogs to launch kassams and terror attacks. This is their fault. Let them solve their problem and live with consequences of their decisions. Enough already!!!!
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33. #19 - Mathias in Berlin
Rafah is not controlled any more by Israel. It has been under Egypt''s total control for the longest time now.
Do not rely on Wikipeda for your facts as it is updated by individuals around the world and usually the authenticity of the facts there are disputable (specially those rlated to politics).
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34. 5
When the quassems are falling in your hometown daily will you still be saying they are no more dangerous than fireworks?
The quassems are no fireworks.
The things are weapons when you fire them you dont get lots of different colored sparkles you get an explosion and they have the power to do a lot of damage.
The only reason the damage & death toll hasn't been higher is simply because they have no guidance systems, their short range and the geographical position of Gaza there are very few heavily built up populations.
Also the main risk from these things is not one falling on top of you its shrapnel as these metal rockets break up and from anything they may hit.
I DARE YOU COME STAY A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN SDEROT LETS SEE HOW YOU THNK OF IT ALL WHEN YOU GO HOME I THINK YOUR ATTITUDE WILL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT AFTER YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED TERROR FIRST HAND.
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35. 19
No Raffah is not controled by Israel it is Egyptian territory and its down to the Egyptian government who comes and goes through Raffah not Israel.
If Hamas came with an open truck full of rockets and even and put a big sign on it saying we are carrying rockets which we intend to fire at Israel the Egyptian authroities in theory would be perfectly within their rights to let them go through and wish them luck.
Israel would have no right to stop them.
Nobody gives a dam about the Gazans its all about Israel bashing.
Notice we have all these boats trying to reach Gaza but where are the protestors at Raffah?
When Libiya sent a ship supposedly loaded with more food and blankets that the ship can physicly carry when they were turned back they went to dock in Egypt till they were ready to try again.
They didnt unload all these blankets and food they were supposed to have in Egypt put it onto trucks and drive to Raffah demand that they be let in they just left everything on the boat till they were ready to chalange Israel again.
Why does UNRWA only try to get into Gaza via Israel if this was a humanitarian organistion woulnd't they be keeping out of politics and just trying to deliver the goods and if Israel said now rather than sit around complaining they would go to Egypt tell the Egyptian government to open Raffah let them send in the goods and if they refused welll Egypt & Israel are both responsoble for the fact the goods cant get through not just Israel.
Problem is its all political non of it is humanitarian not UNRWA, not all the protestors in their little boats nobody gives a dam about the Gazans all that matters is Israel bashing.
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36. No more flour in Gaza? Let them eat KASSAMS!
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37. #5
You or someome else has said this before. It is annoying because you are so wrong. I live in the qassam/grad area and believe me, the main reason we don'tget killed is the red alert alarm blasting off and then we run to shelters. Qassams kill and cause damage and it is very difficult living like this, especially for the children. Don't judge one side incorrectly just becasue you sympathize more for the other side. It makes your whole argument illegitimate. Just google for pictures to see some of the damage. It goes tghrough cement ceilings, and explodes sending nails(from inside the missile) all over and the glass shatters and pieces of metal fly. If you side with the arabs, fine, your choice, but don't lie
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38. qassam not a lighted match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmOl4alnV0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRz3nHwgjHY&feature=related
This is how we live daily!! The Tzeva Adom you hear is the red alert alarm. WOuld you like to join us here #5??!!
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39. Cutting off your nose. . .
Even the UN seems finally to have recognized the real problem:
According to the [UNRWA], wheat supplies that were scheduled to arrive in Gaza on December 9-10 were unable to enter due to the rocket fire on Israel, "hence the mills have run out of flour and UNRWA has been forced to suspend food distribution."
So people in Gaza are running out of flour because they keep firing rockets into Israel, thus preventing delivery of wheat.
Does the UN need to do a research study or call a conference to determine what the solution to this problem might be?
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40. No more fake truce either. Bomb the tunnels now.
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41. Why can't Gaza grow its own wheat? Does Israeli flour taste
better? Maybe if the Gazans hadn't destroyed those greenhouses they would have had something sustainable to distribute to their "starving" citizens.
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42. Wheat
Just an opinion, however this seems to be something that does not have a good chance of working. Through it all, I'd rather see Israel strongly standing in one place and using the more conventional approaches.
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43. No.16 What are you talking about
What civilian population did we bomb during WW2 ?
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44. No. 26. So is punishing civilians
Punishing a civilian population is also a war crime.. Have you considered that?
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45. No. 34 - Dont talk daft
We have experienced Terror first hand for a lot llonger than you have.
We have had many terrorist factions bombing the crap out of this city for a llong time. But I think most intelligent people will agree, we handled the situation without taking revenge on an entire population. Moost of the time we got on very well with our neighbours and any other group that came to settle on our shores. Because we refuse to succumb to fear. We even had to intelligence to realise that Terrorism cannot be defeated by military means, (at least not entirely) so we kept a lid on the situation until politics could find a common ground between the different factions. it took us about 30 years to finally sort things out, and no one is saying they are finished yet, but where are you after 60 years....You on the other hand, give in to fear at every opportuinty and use every excuse to punish everyone you can get your hands on, just because a bunch of fireworks lands on the desert.
You dont have to dare me with anything, and I dont have to shout it out using capitals either. I know what its like living in a firing zone, with a far more cunning enemy than you will ever face.
| Token , |
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46. No. 37 - Not siding with anyone
But I have been in a situation where we thought punishing the population of a certain area was the answer to all the problems. It led to a far worse situation for both sides. We finally figured out that we had to find a resolution to the problem, and not a military one. Thats the main difference here. We wanted a resolution, you want them gone or dead or both.
Its not about sides, its about right.
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47. #43
does the bombing of dresden in germany ring a bell??? 10,000 killed in one day. you didn't do it the israeli way. you didn't look at where the nazis were in dresden. you british just bombed the heck out of dresden city and killed thousands of civilians.
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48. No. 47 - You are right
Maybe we should have dragged the war out for another 5-6 years and see how many Jews would have been left.
But I personally do agree that Dresden was a war crime and bomber Harris should have been severly punished for it.
Historians will claim today that it was neccessary, but I personally do not agree.
So I take it that you agree with me that the blockading of Gaza is wrong and a crime against humanity?
Am I right?
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49. #48
no, i do not. i am neither israeli nor a jew. however, what i surely am is a reasonable person.
looking at the history on the ground and the behavior of terrorists in gaza, a country that is constantly under bomb threat is also a besieged country and the population in it that are physically threatened on a daily basis by bombardment is also in a way imprisoned between walls....the walls of the underground bomb shelters they are forced to live in on a constant basis. this is also a war crime.
what people like yourself do is look at a single side without accepting that there is a good reason for the other side to react. both jewish israeli populations as much as the population under the hamas are under siege in a way. for you to call one a war criminal and discount the war crimes of another is at best fake, insencere and wrong. yet you claim to be a righteous judge of the situation, which you couldn't be far from in this case.
if the bomb threats will cease, it will naturally follow that the siege will as well.
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50. sides
there you go- caught in a lie. Not taking sides???!!!
Accusations towards my side???
C'mon now how can we take anything else you say seriously?? Any you totally ignored the videos-the truth, lopsided you are. Too bad! When can I have a conversation on a real level and not totally biased. No hope.
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51. crimes against humanity
Hereis an example of twisted propoganda. Did youknow this goes on?? The media is too scared to publish it.
get educated then talk
http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=381&PID=470&IID=2406
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52. #49
What people like myself do????
Well Now I know you are Jewish, because no one else would presume so much from so little. so you think that living in Sderot is worse than being a citizen in Gaza who now has to suffer the consequences of whatever group decides its destiny. What Crap are you talking about. You are the only person in this TB taking a biased view of the situation, you cant even admit its a war crime, even by the literal meaning of War-crime, and you still manage to spout on about one side or the other. Admit it you are biased , you couldnt care less what happens in Gaza as long as it doesnt affect Israel, and I never claimed to be a righteous judge of anything, you on the other hand show your colors clearly, why dont you be honest and own up to what you really are... even the most crazy radical nutcase rightwing fanatics on these TB's admit to what they are but try to hide behind a'neutral' position. What a Twat you are.
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