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Pope rehabilitates Holocaust denier
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Published: 24.01.09, 14:13
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31. Adam ????
Charles ,   Petach Tikva   (01.25.09)
They are not asked their opinion on Armenian genocide . I did'nt hear any Rabbi denyeng this either . And what this bishop said , was not a "stupid" thing as you think , it was a BIG lie , a denying of true facts
32. hitler was a catholic!
Pope Pius XX ,   Hell and beyond   (01.25.09)
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_religion_did_Hitler_say_he_was_if_any
33. i think
shaya ,   india   (01.25.09)
god could not smell the gas becouse it was in a chamber or may he had cold or he put a mask .how god can see or smell or tell itis not like me or pop or jew only the dead jew in this chamber can tell
34. Hitler was a tithe-paying Catholic until his death.
David Turner ,   Richmond, USA   (01.25.09)
Sure he promoted a new German-Nationalist Christian church, but his ties to Rome were strong to the end. Read Hitler*s Pope by Cromwell, for example. And recall that Pius XII was Vatican ambassador to Hitler in the years before the war, authored the concordant between Nazi Germany and the Vatican establishing peace between the two *states,* which Pius later used to justify remaining *neutral* while Hitler and his Austrian, predominantly church-going Catholic, SS perpetrated the Holocaust. Taking a slightly longer historical view, both Germany and the Vatican had a common enemy (no, not the first thing that comes to mind, the Jews) in Russia, and *international communism.* The Vatican was generally supportive of Hitler*s war aims.
35. What you witnessed is hand made
David Mishah ,   FRANCE   (01.25.09)
Hey, my brothers, don't blame Christians nor Muslims, you have to blame our stupid political leaders in Israel since 1996. We are unable to produce (David Ben Gorion, Minahem Begin, Itsac Shamir, Moshe Dayan...), we are in a deep degradation, leaders in Israel actually since 12 years are brokers and not heros, our nation is no more a hero nation. The action of those leaders will bring the destruction of the holy state of Israel. Shame on them. The behavior of those looser bring what we see on social, political religious and military aggression against Israel. They will lead us to leave our land because they are brokers.... Depression period
36. the problem is Jewish Denial, not Holocaust denial
David Turner ,   Richmond, USA   (01.25.09)
I*m tired of Jewish leaders groveling at the feet of an institution directly responsible for the murder of one-half of all Jews born between the fall of Jerusalem and today. As if the pope deciding to commence his trip to Jerusalem despite offending Israel and the Diaspora is a favor to us. There are some Christians of conscience in the world: indeed, a tiny minority risked life to save Jews from their coreligionists in Shoah. And Father Neuhaus may be one. But his assertion that **lifting of the excommunications had nothing to do with the *odious views* held by some of the bishop,** that **the pope will force them to toe the line with regard to the Church*s contempt for Holocaust denial* is disingenuous and falls under the same apologetics that surrounds the actions of Pius II and the push towards his beatification. To say that the Vatican owes the Jews for its two millennia persecution culminating most recently, but not necessarily finally, in Shoah is addressed neither by Christendom, religion or secular, nor by ourselves. So long as contempt trumps contrition, the cancer of hate will ever remain at the heart of Christianity and its secular social order. And Jews choosing to live in Diaspora will, according to that German precedent of a single grandparent, be at the same risk as were our relatives who died in the ovens. As regards the British bishop Williamson not only denying the Holocaust, but also promoting the Protocols of the Elders of Zion: In a 1991 critique of the first Gulf war the antisemite wrote, *[the Jews] may be expected to continue fanatically agitating, in accordance with their false messianic vocation of Jewish world-dominion, to prepare the Anti-Christ's throne in Jerusalem. So we may fear their continuing to play their major part in the agitation of the East and in the corruption of the West.* For the interested, the Protocols are based on a medieval myth that Jewish leaders gather once yearly to plot against Christendom. The world conspiracy theme was taken up by antisemites in the early 20th century and turned into a pamphlet called the Protocols. Superstition regarding Jewish occult power is clearly continuous over the past thousand years. So much so that, even while rounding up defenseless Jews for Auschwitz German officers were still fearful of Jewish retribution! Are the likes of Bishop Williamson seriously delusional regarding the place of Jews today and in history, or merely antisemitic opportunists? Do they really believe in the *occult power* of the Jews, is their Jew-hatred a projection of their own guilt for crimes committed in the name of their religion? Or is Holocaust Denial a rational and calculated effort to turn the focus of guilt from the complicity of the church and Christendom in perpetrating the Holocaust onto the victims of their crimes?
37. #30 well said
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (01.25.09)
and in my humble opinion I think you are 100% right it is all about the Mitzvot. Judgment is unavoidable and imminent and I hope I am not out of line but based on my observations we all better be praying for the HaShem of mercy because with each passing year I think the gulf is ever increasing between the created and the creator. I know it is a little depressing and for that I apologize and remember the Baal Shem Tov N"E "it is a great mitzvah to be happy" K"H
38. 250 million deaths by the end of WW II
rich   (01.26.09)
Poland lost 3 million catholics alone. Why is the Catholic church suppose carry the weight of jews wwII deaths, you dismiss the religion as idolatry anyways. Why dont you question how your own Jewish Authority failed your own people just like ours failed us.
39. Bennie, Jerusalem
Walt K ,   Sherbrooke, Canada   (01.26.09)
Any way, I'm wandering how did the Vatican survive to Mussolini and to Hitler ??? Was it a miracle ?
40. Absolutely shocking
dave ,   uk   (01.26.09)
The previous pope would never have done this. This denial bishop is just sick. He says that not one Jew died in a gas chamber. I mean that's just ridiculous. And it's no surprise that he's a Jew- hater as well.
41. Well, these same nuts believe "rehabilitation"
5th generation ,   Israel   (01.26.09)
is necessary and possible for homosexuals, so maybe we shouldn't be "shocked"
42. And a Jewish Rabbi can walk on water
(01.26.09)
yeah yeah...
43. Hitler's protestantism must be obfuscated
AY_Lamb ,   USA   (01.26.09)
by Americans because the similarities cast doubt on the merits and social architecture applied by evangelicals in America. Positive Christianity was sanctioned encouraged advocated and endorsed by Adolf Hitler, Alfred Rosenberg and Jakob Wilhelm Hauer. Positive Christianity was an Ersatz Evangelical initiative that promoted the primacy of the State second only to Jesus and the aggressive leadership persona of a Caucasian Jesus. Since the inception of Manifest Destiny patriotic Americans have excepted an America that is ordained by a divine mandate of a chosen land and a chosen people. Francis Bellamy (Bellamy Salute) was a Baptist evangelical and now in accordance with evangelical exegesis; love and zeal for a militant America is second only to love a zeal for Jesus. These "uber nationalism" and racist tendencies are demonstrated by the venomous attacks proffered by evangelicals on President Obama and Rev. Wright and others. Simple truth is Hitler was a protestant that even demurred to some of the more radical nationalist and racial aspects of evangelicalism.
44. nazi youth member
Dirk ,   Munich, Germany   (01.26.09)
The Pope was a member of the hitler youth? So what! That didnĀ“t turns him into a Nazi or antijewisch person. What he did concerning bishop Williamson was not ok. So, using his youth as an argument is totaly nonsense. The smae like, the "Gaza strip is like the Warschau Ghetto" also totally nonsense!
45. Arrogance and Lack of Compassion
marty ,   dayton, ohio usa   (01.26.09)
It is the height of arrogance on the part of Pope Benedict to allow a Holocaust denier back into his fold let alone as a Bishop. Where is this Pope's compassion and sensitivity to the memory of those who perished in the Holocaust, to those who survived and were witnesses to the horrendous calamity, to the Jewish people, the nation of Israel, and to all many nationalities who perished in this cruel and savage acts? It is truely appaling human behavior from a man, who claims leadership and provides guidance of so many dear human souls. What kind of example is he setting for his parishioners around the world, when he commits this kind of behavior and allows people of this ilk into leadership positions?
46. lying churchmen
joe ,   new york, n. y. us   (01.26.09)
Benedict might point out that as a former member of the Hitlerjugend he can assure the world that indeed six million died.
47. pope
elliot ,   usa   (01.26.09)
one cardinal sin deserves another
48. @23 Rivkah
era ,   Jlem, Israel   (01.26.09)
Wonderful, truly wonderful. After reading these disgusting news, I really was in a bad mood. But you made my day. There is only one thing you forgot: The UFOS, which where used to transport Hitler from Germany to his new safe haven... Seriously, if this was satire, it is very good. You should get on stage with that. If it is not, and you actually believe in that, you certainly need some help.
49. Countering holocaust denial, let them feel the heat too
Contrarian ,   New York   (01.27.09)
To counter that guy Williamsons holocaust denial, it might be useful to deny with comments that jesus never existed, and the whole jesus story is a total bluff. What scriptures? balony! That's what you counter with.
50. This Pope has a plan.
Historian   (01.27.09)
The plan is to revive the Third Reich inside the Catholic Church.
51. wrong and misleading headline
Lisa ,   Switzerland   (01.27.09)
typical ynet headline- to get everybody in an uproar about supposed anti-semitism. The rehabilitation has nothing to do with the Shoah- he explicitely said he did not approve of Williamsons Holocaust comments. The rehabilitation is to revert the excomunication for not following the Vatican Council decisions of 1967.- re Good Friday prayer for Jews: Catholics pray , Islam threatens with death, slight difference. And nobody is forcing the Jews to convert either. What do Jews pray for- just themselves? The death of their enemies? What about their friends? He could have excluded Williamson for this I agree- but why must ynet always stir up trouble? So onesided and unprofessional. #1: Jesus is a myth? maybe- your God probably is a myth too- same family, you know! The father and the son....that makes you just as irrational.
52. David Turner
Lisa ,   switzerland   (01.27.09)
I think it is safe to say that people like Williamson are in the minority- no conspiracy going on- there is bound to be a fruitcake somewhere. I don't know where people find all those conspiracy theories, this is up there with the UFOs as far as I am concerned- unfortunately some people believe this crap and spread it around- check out Rivkahs latest story- priceless... I hope they put Williamson where he belongs, an asylum for mentally ill.
53. lost it? #50
Miriam ,   Canada   (01.27.09)
come on guys- don't be totally ridiculous- this is the most assinine TB on ynet for a long time- Contrarian: and the Jews have the ONLY religion in the world, we know... good for you. be happy... and you are not.... look how you are fighting and argueing among each other, LOL.
54. @51 and 53
era ,   Jlem, Israel   (01.28.09)
I think everybody here knows that this is not part of a plan to build up the 4th Reich in the Vatican. But it shows how dumb and blind the catholic church can act. Embracing a priest that a few days ago was declaring the Holocaust a lie in TV. On the day prior to a Shoa-Remembrance day. And then stating "this has nothing to do with the jews, it is an internal church matter". The Jews don't get this and the Neonazis worshipping that priest on their webpages seem to have overlooked the "church matter"-comment too. The German pope is a disgrace to Germans. I just hope it does not take the church another 350 years (like with Galilei and the small "stationary earth" thing) to give in to the fact that they made a big mistake.
55. justly feekings
Ionthefence ,   NYC,USA   (07.30.11)
Belief in a superior power dates back to people needed a reason for crops to grow, sun to shine rain to fall . They also needed belief in a superior power to BLAMR if something went wrong( that would be the"bad gods"these colorfully nearly human I. on when human chose to incorpo into ce
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