31. #26 - Israeli, Is there really a difference?
Is there really a difference between Arabs "protesting" and "turning violent out of frustration"?
Every Arab "protest" I've seen can be best described as a "riot" with racist slogans, intimidation, loaded statements like "End the Occupation", and threats of violence if not outright violence.
So, I'm asking you a valid and honest question, is there really a difference between Arab protests and Arab violence?
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32. The Arabs will always keep the Jews on their toes
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33. The Jews of Israel will never let their guard down because
They are surrounded by those who want them dead whether they live in Israel or Ramallah.
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34. To Rami:"Nothing more than incitements"
What reaction do you expect when a group, that has represented the Israeli Arabs, routinely and consistently incite hatred towards the State and its Jewish citizens? The Arabs are the ones that keep re-electing them, so the correct presumption is that they speak for the Arab population. It would be preferred perhaps that we not react to this overt hatred?
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35. The Arabs want the benefits without risking their lives in
defending the country.
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36. The Jewish tolerance toward the enemies be they Israeli or
Hamastani is limitless.
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37. the left s/b happy
they spoke against the committee that voted to prohibit the current arab parties from running for office & what did they get?
the arab parties call for the demise of zionism
I hope that the left do not support this. if they do they will see their representation in the knesset drop to about 9.5% including the Arab vote. If they want to be part of this tat, I guess that they can join the Arabs & Neturei Karta.
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38. Arab vote
WHO NEEDS THEIR VOTE
THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN THE KNESSET IN THE FIRST PLACE
FIFTH COLUMN
NO WHERE IN THE WORLD CAN THIS HAPPEN ONLY IN ISRAEL
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39. #30 - Rami, "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously"
Do you consider this statement to be incitement?
I'm sure Tibi and Zahalka, elected members of Israel's Arab community, would somehow find a way to twist it into being "racist" or "apartheidist", am I not correct?
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40. "Massacre"
I hope our arab MKs and their pals in the strip never have to learn what a massacre really is. They are quick to make big accusations but with little connection to reality. There are millions of individuals in Gaza. If Israel were ever to embrace Palestinian values and tactics, the body cound would be in the hundreds of thousands to millions, mostly 'civilian'; not the thousand or so including a few hundred unavoidable collateral casualties.
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41. What idiocy
Arab MK's tell their own constituents to NOT vote and therefore strike some idiot rhetorical blow. Their participation is already half that of Jews. So now they will, what? Vote? Overthrow the government? Don't make me laugh.
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42. Rami from Nazareth: What do you think would happen..
...to Jews in Arab countries inciting against Arabs and Muslims? They would be killed, and in 99.9% of the cases Jews were killed because they were Jews - not because they posed any real and tangible threat. And in Christian Europe of the Middle Ages, Jews would be killed by the Christian masses if they would incite to hatred and violence against their European host nations and in 99.9% of the cases Jews were enslaved, demonized, killed, slaughtered and ridiculed because they were Jewish - not because they posed any threat.
Israeli Arabs do pose a demographic, territorial, ideological, political threat involving physical violence and psychological warfare.
This conflict will never end unless you Rami and other Arabs admit openly that Jews/Israelis and not Arabs are masters of this land in the very same way as Arabs are masters in Arab lands. It is very racist of you to claim that Jewish dominance, rule, government, control, population and identity of Israel is "racist" because you don't seem to have the same problem with other ethnic nation states.
And remember that Arabs of Israel came to Israel 60-150 years ago as guest workers from the four corners of the Arab world. You are not the moral, historical or legal owners of the land. You are not the natives of Israel. We Jews are the natives of Israel. You Arabs happen to live here. There are hundreds of thousands of ethnic groups - millions of individuals all over the world that live in other countries - does not mean that they "own" those lands. Why is it that Arab residence is automatically considered by Arabs to be "Arab ownership"? Jews have lived much longer in the Arab world than Arabs and much longer in Europe than many Europeans - yet nobody claims North Africa, Middle East and Europe is Jewish property.
And the Arab minority of Israel is an irritating nuisance. I came here to return to my historical homeland of Israel to live among Jews - I don't want goyim in Israel and you are a goy. You are a nuisance to me. You are irritating me. You are insulting me. You live in my country and yet you behave like the master of the land and not as a guest, which makes me even more angry.
Because of you Arabs we Jews have suffered for 1400 years and now suddenly you wonder why Jews HATE Arabs?
Get out of my land you foreigner!!!
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43. Tell someone who cares
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44. arabs in Israel
I have to agree with Rami from Nazereth here. The TB are mostly ignorant fleeting comments by labelling a whole group as traitors and undesired. And before you jump down my throat, I am as far right as you can go a Feiglinite/Kahanist. But I understand many of the TB's have not lived in Israel and therefore see things without 'metziut' on the ground.
I will not brand all Israeli arabs as traitors just because they may be arabs. Have you guys forgotten that news article a few days ago with the 2 arab diplomats representing Israel overseas? One a Druze the other a Bedouin. They are arabs to, are you going to throw them all in one basket?
I am all for transferring disloyal arabs to a country which they can be loyal to. I am all for accepting those arabs to live with us Jews if they are loyal to our country and by swearing allegiance and serving National Service in whatever form. Our Torah recognises the importance of accepting the non Jews within our midst if they tie in their destiny with us and theyre called Ger Toshav Tzedek. So whilst many from the article above represent a fifth column that ought to be removed from our midst please dont put them all in one basket just because of theyre ethnicity. I have no hate of arabs, in fact they are closer to us culturally then the WASPS of the west or similar. I for one am prepared to live with arabs who are loyal citizens of my country. Those that are not loyal have no business being here, even if born here. So judge on an individuals loyalty to his country and not by the shade of skin.
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45. LET THE ARABS PROVE THEIR LOYALTY AND SERVE IN IDF!!!!
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46. #3 terry
how right you are. as an american jew and former israeli, i spoke with a very famous israeli author who writes extensively about the 1948 war. he told me that these arab parties are very antagonistic and do resemle the same intentions as their palestinians across gaza and anywhere else in the arab world. their loyalties are to their "people" rather than to our country and its citizens, which they are PART OF.
the author told me that right now, because of their support for hamas and gaza and their constant rallies, most israelis are boycotting all arab businesses in israel from the north to the south. arab restauranteurs are getting the message. they are complaining of no business and some have had to close shop because no israeli frequests their establishment. most of these arab parties do not serve the best interests of their arab constituency and work diligently against any arab israeli involvement in israel, becoming part of israel, etc... they are antagonistic to the extreme, even prior to the gaza op.
once israelis touch these arabs where it hurts most, in their businesses, then maybe they will be able to understand and choose leaders that support this country and make sure these arabs living in israel become part and aprcel of our and their country, israel. until that time, there is no hope for arab israelis in this country. they will be mistrusted, feared and prejudiced against by the israeli public. and, if they do not want to be a part of us, there is always the door.....to the new palestinian state of the future.
the best possible scenario in the future, once their state becomes a reality, is to gather all the settlements in the west bank and bring the jews into the 67 line. then, we can take all arabs from our country inside the 67 line and place them with compensation (only after the jews kicked out from arab lands get their just compensation as well) to the new palestinian state. we do not mix mentally, academically, intelligence, productivity and aspiration. they will better be served by arab parties in the new state of palestine.
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