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US study: IDF didn't violate rules of war
Yitzhak Benhorin
Published: 04.02.09, 21:19
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1. Very nice bug...
David ,   Montreal, Canada   (02.04.09)
Benhorin writes: The study notes that "political efforts to manipulate the laws of war and humanitarian considerations have become a key weapon in asymmetric warfare, and are often used as a basis for propaganda and gaining political leverage in this type of conflict." Can anyone name any other conflict, recent or otherwise, where efforts to manipulate the "laws of war" became a key weapon? I can't, except where JEWS are involved. It's not a weapon! It's antisemitism plain and simple!
2. It is a US study, what should we expect?!!
maria   (02.04.09)
This study is coming from a country responsible of deaths of hundred thousands in Iraq , Afganistan, Palestine, Lebanon, ... What should we expect?!!
3. Axis of Evil
RJ ,   Canada   (02.04.09)
or Axis of Genocide as Francis Boyd calls the US and Israel and NATO. These are the states that ignore UN conventions and humanitarian laws. Violence and war crime are the norm in our barbaric 21st century!
4. Glad to see this in print. Too bad we
Joe ,   Ohio, UA   (02.04.09)
won't see these facts printed elsewhere in the world and ultimately see justice for those people at the mercy of others who cynically use civilians for their own narrow goals.
5. Manipulations in answere to #1
Brent ,   Lawrence, USA   (02.04.09)
I seem to recall manipulations to the "Laws of War" in each of the following conflicts: Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I, Gulf War II, the 2006 Israeli-Hezbollah War, frankly every Israeli military action, and I am not even going to look at WW2 or WW1 because I know I would find manipulations there. What has become more prevelant since about 1950 is the blatant use of manipulations to target the media in the hope of affecting one side or the other in a conflict. Does anyone remember the "baby milk factory" from Gulf War 1? There are numerous examples. It does appear that whenever a western power engages in military action against any other power that the non-western power resorts almost immediately to "manipulations" aimed at the media. The Palestinians and Arabs and Persians have simply become more adept at it. They need to be ignored.
6. not helping
m ,   jerusalem   (02.04.09)
i'm guessing this is just another propaganda stunt . the whole world knows we used uranium, and of course we are smart enough to know that uranium is against international law. this is just another way our current crappy government is trying to cover up, wake up your . were not stupid! we could have just used regular bombs instead of these bombs with phosphor and uranium.
7. people dont understand that war is war
doctor   (02.04.09)
you dont go to war to pet your enemy, but to destroy him. and if innocent get hurt, it's all the enemy's fault. it's as simple as that.
8. To #1: Answer: Iraq.
Phil ,   US   (02.04.09)
9. US study: the same people that sent 3000 tons of bombs
sami ,   son of palestine   (02.04.09)
would not have expected a different BS result of their study because they are complicit in the massacre of the children of Gaza.
10. What would you expect....
Marco ,   Spain   (02.04.09)
When the U.S study is done by Zionist American Jews!!!!!!
11. You have some gall, Spanish Marco
SAM ,   USA   (02.04.09)
Where do you get off!! As I am part Basque, I see you as a severe hypocritical Spanish NAZI. Didn't the Spaniards support Hitler?! If you cared so much about liberation movements then why aren't you supporting the Basque desire for thier independence. You aren't fooling anyone. You are a Jew Hater, plain and simple.
12. What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Jon ,   USA   (02.04.09)
President Truman had to make a decision in August 1945. Whether to invade Japan and lose at least 10,000 American soldiers or drop the atomic bomb and kill more than 100,000 civilians. You know what he decided. We didn't bomb Pearl Harbor, likewise Israel didn't rocket Sederot. It's either them or us!
13. Free Basque. Cancel Palestine. Create Peace!
David ,   Boston, USA   (02.04.09)
I see some people on the talkback totally ignorant of international law and blame and full of anti-semitism. Shame on you. Good news. Good always triumphs over evil in the end. Israel will triumph over evil.
14. #1
jj   (02.04.09)
the balkans is another one. no jews there.
15. #13 David, Boston, USA
Marco ,   Spain   (02.05.09)
I agree with you David. Good always triumphs over evil in the same way Hezbollah of 2000 and 2006 triumphed over Israel. Go Lakers!
16. To SAM: Marco's just the symptom of a horrible disease
Fed Up ,   Barcelona   (02.05.09)
In Spain, the state funds and endorses incitement to hate Israel. State-sponsored media are so aggressively Hamas-friendly that poor souls like Marco are left knowing not what they do. They almost can't help but get carried away by maelstroms of hate and delusional self-righteousness. It's sad, but that's how it is here.
17. #3 when more of half of the arabs in the world
(02.05.09)
will be killed, then you can write jews about genocide. untill then, all you cite is malicious propaganda, aimed to get jews out of israel, the way arabs always did, for 1000 years and more they kept torturing jews here, while living under the ottoman rule, or the british mandate, in cities built by the hebrew jewish nation. well, not this time, buddy. this time the jews are a majority in their land, and although your plans, they intend to keep it this way. arabs of israel have everything in common with arabs in the middle east, and a great deal more then people in moscow have in common with people in east sybiria for example. this propaganda that suggests there was a state called palestine here, which is a lie as you all know, is serving the purpose of those who are interested in having palestinian refugees, rather then calling them citizens. these are the people who are interested in having the middle east free of foreign influences such as the jewish race. even in the dark ages there were no refugees for such long periods of time, as there are in the middle east.
18. US STUDY
louiew ,   brooklyn,ny usa   (02.05.09)
To Sam Son of Palistine..... I don't even know why I am wasting my time with a response to your comments. Please tell me why all jews who lived in arab countries escaped and a Jew is not allowed to step foot in your Saudi Arabia. And vise versa in Israel my beloved country we have members of Keneset ARABS. How is it when Meir Kahane was killed by a muslim arab we jews did declare war or Jeehad on all muslims. we did not call for jews all over the world to harm muslim or muslim interests whereever possible. Because we are peace loving people and we don't harm anybody for someone elses crime, We walked out of GAZA and you had a chance to show Israel and the whole world that you are a good people and can live side by side with your neighbors, but what did you do just shoot rockets and kassems every single day. And nobody should tell me that regular folks are against terror becasuse you all voted for these terroists called HAMAs.
19. I'd like to see the entire report.
Persian CAT   (02.05.09)
There seems to be some cherry picking going on here, or Mr. Cordesman, who certainly is not the ultimate arbiter of war crimes has been paid a large sum.
20. Response to maria #2, RJ #3, sami #9, Marco #10
Tahl ,   Israel   (02.05.09)
#2 maria: How many people did Americans kill in Iraq, and how many people did IRAQIS kill in Iraq? How many people did Israelis kill in Lebanon, and how many people did the Syrians and Lebanese Shiites kill in Lebanon? How many Palestinians did Israel kill, and how many did Jordan? Or the rest of the Arabian states? RJ #3: Jeez, reading your stupid post one would come to believe that the US and Israel are responsible for 9.11, for the Madrid bombing, for the Darfur massacres, for the million people murdered in Iraq, for the civil war in Lebanon, for the civil war in Sri Lanka, for the Hamas execution of Fatah activists, for the Mumbai attack, for the execution of gays in Iran, etc... (Oops, it turns out they're all Muslims killing non-Muslims, or killing each other, but why should you confuse yourself with facts). #9 sami: What were the "children of Gaza" doing in the same buildings where armed terrorists were hiding, along with tons of stashed explosives? #10 Marco: How do you know they were Zionist American Jews? I doubt it. But even assume it's true - you cannot rebuff their valid argument regarding the cynical exploitation of international law, by the one side who is not bound by it, the same side that surrounds itself by human shields.
21. #1 you don't have to look very far down, only to #2
post shows how it's ,   used against the USA   (02.05.09)
22. #1
hs   (02.05.09)
the russians in checnya, british in northern ireland. you should do a bit of research. i believe im the 3rd post of this nature. sorry, you were saying something about antisemitism? down off that soapbox young man.
23. #22, I must have missed all the attempts
Danny   (02.05.09)
to bring war crimes trials against Brits in NI, Russians in Chechnya. Just goes to show #1 wasn't talking nonsense. As for what was said about Iraq, so far all people convicted of misconduct were for relatively minor offences, certainly not in the same league as the Russians in Chechnya or for that matter the Palestinians during the second intifada, which again proves the point that this crap about "war crimes" is simply politically posturing as opposed to any real concern.
24. #23
hs   (02.05.09)
see british actions in northern ireland, laws of occupation, use of force etc. too many instances to name. look at the treatment of civilians during any one of the chechen wars (from both sides). like the war in gaza, there was talk of bringing these criminals to justice, unfortunately something that never happened due to the immense political and economic might of the two (which is probably how your criminals will avoid justice). your paranoid fantasies that you share with the americans that the big bad world is out to get you and only you are completely unfounded. as somebody else pointed out, the balkans war is another example. you all act as if this is the first time anybody anywhere was accused of war crimes and that they were just invented as another stick to beat jews. hang up the persecution complex, its really getting old. your IDF and Hamas should be in the same court facing the same charges.
25. So whats new?
Marco ,   Spain   (02.05.09)
That very same study found that the U.S did not violate rules of war in Iraq, Afghanistan, Guantanamo and Abu Ghreib. So whats new?
26. #24, just proved my point
Danny   (02.05.09)
In Britain was anyone taken to court? Did Spain get involved? Or the UNHCR? Was Britain convicted soley based on IRA testimony? Or Russia and Chechnya? Or pretty much every single middle east player including Hamas and Hizbollah - both have open and shut cases against them but there is a simple reason people pick on Israel and to the lesser extent the US because unlike when HRW tried to accuse Hizbollah of "war crimes" Israel doesn't threaten to kill them. I would agree it is not anti-semiticism that motivates this criticism rather a simpler combination of cowardice and trendiness.
27. #25, here is the study
Danny   (02.05.09)
http://www.csis.org/component/option,com_csis_pubs/task,view/id,5250/type,1/ Care to point out where it even mentions Guantanamo? Or Abu Ghreib?
28. #26
hs   (02.05.09)
well there is no bones about it then, like i said, your criminals will avoid prosecution for the same reasons as the others, economic and political ties. but people must continue to call those who commit crimes of this nature to task, regardless of whether it will successfully be tried or not. otherwise, what's the point in having the laws if states can just break them left right and centre based on their own assessment of certain situations. the point youre really missing is that discussing the guilt of others in committing crimes of this nature has absolutely zero bearing on your own crimes. a person charged with murder stands up in court and says, "but hey, that guy last week killed somebody and got away with it, why shouldnt it?" for some reason, the talkbackers who populate these boards seem to think that a war crime by one party = blank cheque to the other to do whatever it wants.
29. #25 Marco, you over-simplify everything with your limited
Marco SUXX ,   USA   (02.05.09)
intellect, and you don't know the facts, to boot. Fact is, the US DID find wrong-doing at Abu Ghraib and the parties responsible were courtmarshalled. In addition, Pres. Obama has announced that he's shutting down Gitmo. Most reasonably intelligent readers use their brains to read the news, not their livers. If your goal is to relieve yourself of bile, I suggest you take a diuretic instead of spewing lies on Ynet.
30. Don't believe it.
Jack ,   Us   (02.05.09)
Palestinian forces are no where near as sophisticated as Iranian forces. Defeating them in no way ads to regional deference. What an idiotic notion.
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