1. On the road to mental illness.
What is this sick progression towards gender separation? What kind of serious mental condition is this? This is NOT Jewish.
This is meshugeh.
Why not just lock women up in the house, cover them up with shmatahs, & beat them into submissiveness?
Then, we'll fit into the Middle-East & be just like our neighbors.
Maybe they'll like us better if we turn our women into second-class citizens the way they do.
Women shouldn't vote or drive cars either, I suppose. Why even let them get jobs when they should be in the house cooking & cleaning?
Then they won't have to go to school either, I mean, what's the point?
| Terry , |
Eilat, Israel |
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2. Cool!
Looks like we women are being understood after all, even in the haredi sector. No one should ever have to be ashamed to express their sexuality.
| Irit , |
Ramat Hasharon |
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3. What?
Some small store tucked away from the public institutes this and THIS is newsworthy?
Ynet really didn't fill their quota of Chareidi bashing this week.
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4. unfortunately
this is a trend in Jerusalem. There are already sex-segregated bus lines where women sit at the back of the bus. No, I have never read that traditional Jewish communities in the past practiced this kind of insanity. The Jewish people have a strong tendency to lack sekhel, judgment. Among the secular, you have people who vote Left over and over even when it brings constant terrorism and war. Among the very religious, you have this form of insanity. Can the sane center hold? It's unraveling all the time.
| RobertK , |
Jerusalem |
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(02.06.09) |
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5. very good idea
we dont need to fight you amymore believe me soon the israil will turn israil into gaza and then we just walk in and take it over
here is another idea that works well in gaza, get your women to wear burkahs
| rashid , |
palistinian |
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6. Segregated shops
This is bizarre and troubling. A further example of the sickness of ultra orthodoxy permeating daily life on transport, civil ceremony and now commerce.
Was there a mechitza in the shops of the shtelltel?
I don't think so.
NO to segregation. No to religious ignoramuses.
Yes to a tolerant Judaism.
| Yonatan , |
Melbourne |
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(02.06.09) |
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7. NUTS
omg , hello tailban,welcome to israel
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8. This should be outlawed
This is insane and i urge the new mayor to establish city laws prohibiting this, where will it stop, when we become the Jewish version of Iran??
| Simcha , |
Jerusalem, Israel |
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(02.06.09) |
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9. As a Buchari I'm sad this is happening in Schunat HaBucharim
My ancestors built Schunat HaBucharim - today when I visit it it just looks like 1 big slum. It's been completely Haredized, there's only 1 Bucharian woman left. So sad what has happened to our neighborhood.
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10. Or sexy segregation as Borat would say
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11. #1 reply
OK terry (by the way, what is your Jewish name?) tucked away in Eilat, so oyu can't stand 'frummers'. Big deal. Have you ever met one on a personal level? Doesn't really sound like it. But your ranting does sound to me like the begining of a psychological problem. It is because women are respected in orthodox Judaism that we maintain boundaries. Their bodies are not our playthings. As much as an orthodox man does not wish to have even inadvertent physical contact with a woman, so do the women not welcome it either.
| observer , |
UK/IS |
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12. Respect for women
If only the chiloni community would understand a woman and her femininity like the chareidim do, women would be far more respected in society. Separation isn't demeaning, it's a sign of respect and acknowledging the inherent differences between men and women.
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13. Girls' night out
A girls' night out is a gender-exclusive activity where adult women—rather than underage girls—meet to engage in social activities, usually after a workday. Typical activities may include dinner and a movie or meeting for drinks or at a night club; more often than not these activities are out of home, but may also include a book club or watching TV or a video together.
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14. freaking pervos
any normal person does not get sexually excited by unintentional touch of a stranger in a shop (nor by sight of a woman who has natural hair, only hookers wear wigs!). I wonder why there are so many freaks and pervos in the haredi sector...
| reason calling , |
Israel |
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(02.06.09) |
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15. "radical and exaggerated"
sums this new Humra up perfectly.
As a religiously observant Jew from generations of r.o. family, we never found any difficulties in shopping in the usual way.
Israel is not Egypt where even heavily veiled women are frequently subject to unprovoked gropings by Egyptian men "because they can do it".
Our culture teaches respect between men and women, not the rigid separation which is now being demanded in some circles.
| Israeli grandmother |
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16. So long as it's their shops in their areas It's fine with me
Just dont try enforce it on me in my area.
| Rebecca , |
Modiin |
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(02.06.09) |
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17. Men and women used to pray NOT separately at the Western Wal
Check the old pictures. Only until people like these started to get more influence stupid segregation laws followed soon.
Please, let this not be allowed! This is not Afghanistan!
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18. Rubbing?
Rub Against women? Don't they have another place to rub up against?
| Shandy , |
Tel Aviv |
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19. Dogs should
Dogs which rub against humans are usually held on a leash!!!!!!!!!!!
And these men should be also!!!!
| Candice , |
Jerus Aviv |
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20. #14
you are totally right, as one can see in the haredi sector, there are so many men that go for young boys, their yeshivas are full of these deprived religious men.
| moshe , |
north israel |
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(02.06.09) |
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21. Im trying to understand this ...
I think they just get married to have children, thats all, if you cannot go shopping with your husband or boyfriend, or the movies, are you allowed to walk in the park with your boyfriend/girlfriend? what happens if they accidentially bump into a woman, do they go home and wash. ... or does God forgive them, thats why there are so many homos in the religious sectors.
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22. if you don't like it, don't shop there
a) nobody is being forced to shop there - so if you don't like it, just don't shop there.
b) the shops in question are very cramped so for people who are more sensitive to the issue it's is a big issue.
c) please stop judging. if one is truly open minded and "enlightened" they will respect other peoples communities and their choices as long as those choices aren't imposed on everyone
| meir , |
ramat ef'al |
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23. Separate Entrances?
This story is not too clear. Is the store going to have separate entrances but once the men and women enter the store are they still shopping together? It doesn't do much good if you enter separately only to reunite inside and rub up against each other in the crowded store. Also, male mentality can always make women second class citizens irregardless of how they dress and/or behave. Personnally speaking, as a woman, I would much prefer the gender separation for modesty's sake second class citizenship male mentality over the tongue drooling, nothing more than a piece of meat second class male mentality. In Islam the women are expected to dress the way they do so that they don't even accidentally sexually intice the men because the men know they have poor impulse control, are sexual leeches, and it would lead them into unrighteous behaviors. In Islam the women are apparently held accountable for the males sexual impulses and so they have to cover up in order to help the men control themselves. It is not because the men want to keep them second class citizens (that comes from a different type mentality). So being like Israel's neighbors I don't know. But then again, men are men for the most part no matter what religion, nationality, or upbringing. Righteous men and women are becoming a rare breed it seems. If separate entrances helps some man on the road to righteousness, I'm all for it. From my own life experiences, witnessing a man behaving righteously, now that's what I would call a real Kodak moment.
| Panda Bear , |
Omaha USA |
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24. It's all for "show"
All this is just for "show", it's a competition in the Haredi world, who's more religous than who. It's these men that create this segregation they themselves go to hookers. hookers are very popular in the Haredi sect.
| Michael Irwin , |
Jerusalem |
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25. To #11
Yes and according to Islamic law it is respectful to beat one's wife and daughter's in a manner that does not leave bruises, make her ugly, or prevents her from carrying out housework. Much like one shoudn't severely beat a donkey I believe one cleric said. The reasons why? Respect for women of course. What better way to respect women than beat and subjugate them of course.
Unfortunately Judaism still retains these "Arabic" aspects of the religion from a time when, well we were pretty much not different from them living in our tents, stoning people to death, and marrying lots of women.
We will only progress when we have separated religion formerly from the state and have laws that prevents this kind of third-world discrimination worthy of only our enemies.
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26. very good indeed !!!
Tsniut is more important than a lot of mitsvot and a pillar of the holiness of our people, the one that had Bilam bless us instead of cursing us, really good.
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27. Terry, I won't vote for you on that one !
Shabbat Shalom
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28. #7 Judy, no Kitsur for Jerusalem ...
G.d bless !
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29. who does not applaud has a long way to go ...
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30. American Haredim
There are ultra-Orthodox communities in New York, for instance, where pious Jewish males somehow manage to control themselves long enough to be able to shop or ride buses along with women. Yet, somehow in Israel (an overwhelmingly secular country), it appears the level of religiosity of the Haredim rises in direct proportion to how much of this sort of nonsense they're permitted to get away with.
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