The United Nations had very different numbers, as did independent aid organizations, principally an Italian relief team of physicians, social workers and aid distributors. The Italian relief group disagreed with the initial approximation of 1,300deaths, claiming it was less than that, and that the overwhelming majority of casualties were members of Hamas fighting units. Anyone remember Jenin? You should.

How about the the Gazans' crimes against Israelis? Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc. don't discriminate against soldier, man, woman or child- a Jew is equal target to them, regardless of who they are. The Pals only care about human rights if Israel looks like the aggressor/bad guy. I don't believe a word of this b.s.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3660423,00.html

...between combatants and non-combatants" So Hamas got it all backwards! Instead of targeting the IDF, they have been targeting civilians! That's why Gazan's have been firing 8000 rickets and counting into Israeli towns, right in the heart of civilian population! And regarding publishing the names: REMEMBER A-DURA? He was filmed and named but he was still a FAKE! We give a horese's $hit on their fake lists and fabricated "civilian deaths". ALL the civilians were hurt thanks to Hamas using them as human shields. So if this pathetic Palestinian "human rights" charade has any complaints, they should directe them to Hamas!

for every Policeman or fighter 2 women children were killed and a similar ratio for the injured.. the IDF then must be congratulated then if this is restraint. But then Hamas also showed restraint... only killing 3 civilians to 10 soldiers. Also Hamas chose not to use the weapon that could have Devastated Israel... Time Israel Wised up to the possibility that Hamas just might have a missile that could hit Dimona. On Balance then... Hamas much more Restrained that the IDF.

As usual, Zionists never want to admit that Israel has murdered hundreds of innocent people. Instead, the prefer to wallow in their racism and blame Palestinians children and women for the own deaths.

...and even I know that international law is a joke when based on disputable evidence. But this still begs the question of why Israel did not cry louder to the U.N. and international communities to publicise 2 years ago the antics of Hamas. P.S. More people in the world are crying for crimes against humanity for Israel's officials than for the attrocities in Sudan.

Too many people die on both sides, but the creditability of the Palestinians was proved durng the war in Jenin.

please, stay in new york. here in israel, we don't need any more racists who could care less about human life. please, just read your own news, and leave us alone.

Most of those killed were terrorists. Of course Hamas would like the rest of the world to believe otherwise. id so many people were wounded how comes the hospitals were empty when "Corriere della Sera" visited? For more accurate figures see: http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=118&x_article=1615

See Post No. 4. Follow the link, which the poster at 4 was kind enough to supply. To No. 4: Thank you!!

PLO human rights accuse IDF of indicriminate use of force against civilians. Arabs are the worst hypocritical liars lobbing rockets at schools and apartments in israel. What hypocrisy!! Who cares anyways? Haniyeh's family will soon find out what it is all about!

Israel is a country that was built by thugs and criminals and is continued to be run by rapists, corrupt people, war criminals, liars, womanizers and is defended by criminal gangsters. Everyone knows what happened was a massacre including those who pretend and philosophize.. and you know what, you can choose to be blind and not see this for what it is. It's not important what you think; but God will get you back. The same God who saved you from the Pharaohs, the Persians, Hitler and others.. He will get you back.

To have missed the 3000 missiles the Palestinians fired at Israel before Israel resorted to military action. Your name calling and threats mean nothing and only reflect your hypocrisy. These dead Palestinians would be alive today if it weren't for Hamas and their Iranian masters.

I am so sorry to disappoint you, but my husband is Israeli, we are both Israeli citizens and live in Israel six months of the year. We buried a son, killed in a suicide bombing attack. He was 13 years old. I happen also to be the child of concentration camp survivors. Do not dare to presume to teach me about the value of human life. Forgive me if I am more interested in Jewish lives than I am in the lives of those that devote their pathetic existences to the persecution and terrorization of Jews. You owe me an apology. I expect nothing but, for the record, you are way out of line.

Well, the initial reports claimed over 700 civilians. The reports were subsequently rejected by third-party neutral observers, and the final tally was 14 individuals, all of them terrorists. The Jenin incursion is now actually taught in war colleges throughout the world as a prime example of how to fight in a densely-occupied area. The Israeli army undertook numerous risks for the sake of preserving civilian lives, and probably sustained casualties that most other countries similarly engaged would not. I'm sorry .... did you say "credibility?"

maybe I'd care, MAYBE. Anyway they think they won and I do to so, why all the fuss? They made billions of dollars off of this. You can bet they invite another attach and another.

deny the holocaust, would that make you feel better?

Can you admit the crimes you committed to the aborginies, the maories the indians, and the list goes on...You british(Yes British not Australians) imperialists better stop preaching morals all over the world you are the last one I would like to here about morality

I don't believe to that number! the palestinians cried wolf too many times they keep changing the numbers, sorry no sympathy for liers.

At the hands off our faithless leaders, who so desperatly try to appease the nations at the expense off their own civilians, the opposite has been achieved. If like any other selfrespecting nation which has the obligation to protect its citizens and would have retaliated without mercy , for each misile or mortar fired, we would not be in this situation. Our Liberalist worlwide movement who pretend to be so morally and politcly correct , are in fact supporting common murderers and ruthless savages, but call them militants. One can see this twisted sense off justice around the world among our false humanists. War is a dirty business , that can only be won by unrelenting force to bring the enemy to its knees. That is how the allies won the second worldwar, Dresden bombed ,30000 civilians killed and not to forget Nagasaki and Hiroshima. As history has proven it is the silent majority that usually pays the price by allowing savages to take control off their lives. In the end when it comes to world opinion , our survival comes first , besides that we have seen over and over again how the world does not give a damn about us . What is the point in having our own country if we cower down to the nations that would like to see our destruction.

It is kind of strange that there were only 121 women out of 960 civilians. What about parity? The age of "children" is also not mentionned. Was that 17 year and half?

sort of an oxymoron, Pal human rights groups. Really, amazing how everything was disporportional except the 8 thousand or so rockets they sent our way for year. I don't remember hearing even one word of protest from these "human rights groups" about that. War is when people die. You don't want your people to die don't declare war. Occupied? Yes you are right, you are occuping our country, our land. Oh, you seem to keep forgetting, you waged war, not once, not twice, not three but many times, and continued to lose. Part of the lose is land. You wage war you lose you lose everything. It is not yours, never was, and even if you are so deluted to think the opposite, you lost it. Go cry to your leaders who don't even sit in your areas for relief. Don't cry to me because frankly the numbers weren't high enough and I know and you know and only the left in israel and the rest of the world is putting their heads in the sand about the facts and truth, but if the situation were reversed you would have been slaughtering us like a butcher shop and would have been dancing and singing along the way. So please cry those crocidile tears to the leftist and french that actually believe your garbage. And to our own left wing, you are simply disgusting and dangerous and why are you here anyway?????

don't you think sarah's NYC comment was fair, you should be careful not to confuse skepticism for illegitimate sources with 'racist lies' as you put it all she does is question the accuracy of a report conducted by a seemingly all Palestinian committee in an area ruled by an autocratic Hamas. like others I'm extremely skeptical of any death toll released from Gaza as long as Hamas rule with an iron fist, we all know its in their interest for them to appear to the outside world as a helpless victim being oppressed by the relentless Israeli war machine I think its relevant that she remind us of Jenin too, what was it... 56 dead after initial reports of 500+? Whats frustrating is even if these tolls are accurate, how can we ever possibly know who's to blame? we weren't there and Hamas's tactics are well known to anybody who takes the time to read up on them. Personally, I don't believe the popular 'massacre' tales, I think the death toll is probably a lot lower than what were hearing now, and a substantial number of civilian deaths will be the direct result of the human shield strategy employed by Hamas Dan Manchester, UK

question? Which weapon is more humane, the reusable F 16 fighter jet loader with US weapons, with push buttons to launch them at remote target hiding behind civilian shields, or in your case, a suicide bomber, who only gets to push the button once on a target hiding behind your son? Statistics: The F 16'S cost the us tax payers about 15 million US$, the phosphorus bombs, cluster bombs, and other weapons cost extra. Israel has maybe 10? or 20? such US made planes free from US. OR, The a non reusable suicide bomber, normally, some one who's family has been kill by the US bombs, and has nothing to live for, plus 100 US$ worth of explosives, some wires, batteries, vest. Palestine has maybe 100 plus weapons and growing. So which is more humane? ps I'm truely sorry about your son, and all the other sons, I hope they have not died in vane.