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Palestinians: Final Gaza toll shows 960 civilians killed
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Published: 12.03.09, 21:26
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31. To: No. 22
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (03.13.09)
Ken, you can deny the Holocaust until the cows come home. I need look no further than my parents' forearms. Over sixty years have passed, but the numbers tattoed on their arms have never faded. Did you have a point you wished to make? If you did, it has eluded me. And no, you need not post Holocaust-denying posts. I afford them the same attention as I do the posts that claim that Hamas, Hizbollah, Al Fatah, PFLP, Islamic Jihad and all the other Palestinian terrorist murderers are really only poor, misunderstood freedom fighters -- which is to say, Ken, I pay no attention at all. Got that?
32. Fear your enemy Sarah; don't understand!
Mikael ,   Gothenburg   (03.13.09)
Fear is one of mans most fundamental feelings. It is designed to support the survival of the race. Avoid dangerous things! If you are trapped fight for your life! When people are fearful they are week to the leadership that claim simple solutions and no deep understanding, because fear dos not talk to the intellect, but to the basic sentiments. In most real propaganda fear is a major part to stop thinking and follow the crowd. The last but most unknown reason of fear is previous evil actions. The fear of revenge, give the fear a chilling tone. The recipes to fear: Do not understand your enemy but paint him in demonic ways; a lunatic with no reason – just evil. Do evil to your enemy – big evil, so you really know that he will respond with hate (but forget where the evil came from). Do not speak with your enemy, because you can come to understand him.
33. To: Mikael at No. 32
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (03.13.09)
Fear. Is that the motivation behind Sweden's capitulation to their rather large Moslem population that demonstrates no desire to become good citizens of Sweden? Poor you. For the record -- I have absolutely no fear of people who will sell their children to be suicide bombers; nor do I fear the people who send them. I do not fear people who store weapons in mosques, schools and hospitals, thereby turning those institutions into legitimate military targets. I do not fear people who hide behind civilian populations and use them as human shields when firing upon Israeli troops. They are cowards, and despicable individuals. I do not fear such cowards. On the other hand, I do despise them. Mikael: get a grip. We are not talking about freedom fighters, here. Freedom fighters target military installations, railroads and other infrastructure, much as the French Resistance and the Norwegian Resistance did during the Second World War. The numerous Palestinian terror organizations target civilian populations. That's what makes them terrorists. Please do not forget this.
34. #31 Sarah NYC--- I'm sorry, I never denied the holocaust, my
Ken ,   Burma   (03.13.09)
uncle died fighting against it. I was upset at the fact that you would use ynet propaganda as some sort of fact. (Your post to #6). Mis-infomation help keep the hate-cycle going. Just as with the holocaust, time will tell, how many actually died, and we will live with that, just as we live with the holocaust.
35. Swedish fear?
Mikael ,   Gothenburg   (03.13.09)
Sahra, you must know something about Sweden that I don’t, even though I live here. We have about 12 % of the population of borne around the world. I don’t fear them, I welcome their enrichment of the culture. In Sweden we have had a lot of protests. Most of the protest was peaceful, but with serious critique of Israeli policy. Only a very little group in Sweden is anti-Semite. A large group maybe 60 % or more is very critical of Israeli politics. Yes I could guess that your form of fear was more about hate, but it is comprehensible. If you could understand the 300 Palestinian mothers after cast lead, you would not find fear either but hate. But as you know in the bottom of your hart, hate never solved any issue.
36. Let's review the stats and its compilers
Arie ,   BaGolan   (03.13.09)
1. They are the same "human rights" group that issued the "death toll" in jenin that was completely discredited 2. They refer to the islamonazis as "fighters" which immediately questions their objectivity 3. They refer to Israel as an "occupation force" in gaza. Given that we withdrew years ago, perhaps their credibility and historical revisionism should also be checked. 4. Even doctors in gaza have openly admitted that over 600 islamonazi hamass members were 'neutralized' 5. And the simple fact that reuters accept the stats provided by them serves to question the legittimacy of the numbers given reuters ADMITTED predisposition to lie when it comes to Israel
37. To: No. 34
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (03.13.09)
So a legitimate newspaper -- two, in fact: one widely respected Israeli daily and one widely respected Italian daily -- that disputes YOUR views must be wrong because you have a different agenda to push. You are to believe Palestinian and other Arab casualty figures if you wish, but they have been proven grossly exaggerated on quite a number of occasions in the past. Red Crescent (the Arab Red Cross) has also been proven to have exaggerated casualty figures. That makes you stupid or, at the very least, remarkably gullible. Too bad for you. Do you live in Myanmar? Do you remember the devastating typhoon that cycled through there a couple of years back? The Myanmar government put the death toll at "less than 50." The rest of the world knew better. Similarly, the Palestinian and other Arab organizations put the death toll at 1,400. The rest of the world knows better.
38. To: Mikael at No. 35
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (03.13.09)
Here you go, dear. Let me know if you would like me to provide you with links to recent publications discussing the rising tide of anti-Semitism in Sweden. For now, here are some excellent articles from well-respected publications that discuss the problems created by the ever-expanding Moslem population in Sweden. http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1206/p07s02-woeu.html http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139614,00.html http://www.sullivan-county.com/wcva/fjordman.htm
39. Wait - this means they lied about the women/children count
William ,   Israel   (03.13.09)
Pals immediately stated that 1400 were killed and the majority of them were women and children (indicating the men ran away). Today, they state that only 30% of those killed were women and children and the majority were innocent men. Well, according the Arab war tactics - if a person is NOT wearing a uniform he is considered a civilian. If a person is under the age of 22, though fully armed, they are a child. I believe we need to demand a full-independent (not UN or Arab based) investigation that would prove once and for all that the majority of dead were Gazan terrorists who used women and children as human shields, like the family they locked in their homes and booby trapped it.
40. #8 - why is denying Pal figures considered racist?
William ,   Israel   (03.13.09)
Pals have been caught lying about everything, even their own history. Why would taking their claims with a healthy bit of skepticism be considered "racist"? Is this why you would believe anything Hamas says and immediately decry the IDF as liars...because you are a non-racist world citizen? Rather, I call you a mis-guided blind parasite on society. Unlike your claim, Israel does NOT blame women and children for their own deaths. We blame HAMAS for their deaths as they use them as human shields...and plenty of videos and interviews with Gazans testify to this. Also telling is the Gaza reporters who cited the Jenin lie when referring to the Hamas numbers in Gaza. The Italian paper doesn't work for the Mossad but they came up with low numbers...are they equally racist? Is everyone who disagrees with you narrow perspective of the world "racist"? They missed you in Durban.
41. Hamas/PA Target JEWISH INNOCENTS. Israel Targets Terrorists
Linda Rivera ,   New York   (03.13.09)
Israel sends truck load after truck load of food, medical supplies and other supplies into Gaza. Israeli hospital treats Gaza patients in urgent need. An Israeli hospital treated a young Muslim woman - she returned strapped with a bomb belt to blow up amongst the Jewish doctors and nurses who helped her, but was caught. Israel warns Gaza civilians by leaflets, loudspeakers and telephone calls to evacuate battle areas. Hamas TV video teaches that bombs that kill Israelis are more precious to an Arab mother than her children. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIBNRVgq59Y Hamas Member of Parliament Fathi Hammad, February 29, 2008 on Al-Aqsa TV that for PA Arabs, "death has become an industry at which women excel… The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children." Translated by MEMRI, Hammad : "This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life.'" Religious HATE and Religious MURDER of Jews and other non-Muslims is taught in mosques worldwide. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzRV-t5fLM&feature=related PA Muslims CHEERING murders of Americans on 9/11 The Islamo Fascists commit war crimes: they use human shields; hide behind women and children; wage war from densely populated areas, store and fire rockets from residential buildings, schools, hospitals and mosques to deliberately MAXIMISE Arab injuries and deaths so that when Israel fires back in self defense and accidently kills civilians, the Islamics scream to the world, but the blood of the Arabs is on the heads of the Islamo Fascists. There has not been a single Muslim street demonstration to protest the cruel, massive Islamic attacks on non-Muslims in New York, Bali, India, Phillipines, Israel, London, Beslan, Madrid and more. The Palestinian Authority hailed as heroes the terrorists who brutally murdered defenseless 8 months pregnant Jewish mother, Tali Hatuel, and 4 little daughters in Gush Katif in May 2004. Muslim killers of Jewish children are adored-Palestinian Authority newspaper al-Hayat al-Jadida called savage child-killer Kuntar "a beacon of light" and an "authentic role model." PA leader, Abbas, called Kuntar a hero. Syria's Assad said Kuntar was chief among honorable men and awarded Kuntar Syria's highest medal, the Syrian Order of Merit.
42. #29 - Ken - Did you get this from the NYT?
William ,   Israel   (03.13.09)
Most of your claims are not even true, but passed around the halls of "progressive" people as factual. While you decry the use of F-16s for which the taxpayers foot the bill, you equally are silent on oppressive countries that receive the same or more aid from the US taxpayer - Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan just to mention a few. The military aid by the US is to boost the military industry in America = jobs. I don't think you'd be against subsidized wheat and corn that keeps prices high, and donations to our nemesis in Russia and N. Korea...would you?? An extensive study was made which disproved the notion that suicide bombers are poor people who have been killed by an F-16. Leftists push this line to "prove" that if the US just went away, all the Arabs would be happy, nice, and go back to being loving. They weren't 100 years ago and they won't be tomorrow. The study showed 1) most suicide bombers were actually middle-class well-off Arabs who were indoctrinated by the hate speech of Imams, 2) the target of F-16s are military (i.e. the Hamas terrorist) and the suicide bomber target is maximum civilian death. Terrorist leaders say this as well, and add shrapnel for maximum death. When you ponder this topic again know this - most IDF missions were called off because of anticipation of high civilian death, most suicide bomb missions were not successful because they were caught at the last minute.
43. #16, from New York. Wow, you sound desperate.
Jake   (03.13.09)
"Israel is a country that was built by thugs and criminals and is continued to be run by rapists, corrupt people, war criminals, liars, womanizers and is defended by criminal gangsters." Who built New York?
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