And you know this how, Marco? Besides which, even a stripper can be raped. I am sure she did not consent to multiple rapes and multiple sodomizations. All your talk about testosterone -- your assumption that this horrendous, repeated violations of this woman -- your generally derogatory attitude towards women ... are you sure you are not an Arab? Or a Moslem? Perhaps YNet should run your IP address; see where you are REALLY writing from. You, sir, are no Spaniard. To YNet: here (courtesy of my IT department) is a geographical locator that will do precisely that. (It is free) http://www.maxmind.com

I'm not seeing all of the news reports because I'm in the U.S., and if this woman was raped and sodomized, it is a crime and a shame, but I'm not making the connection that the perpetrators were Palestinians. The article says that she was picked up in Tel Aviv, which makes it seem a bit unlikely that someone from the West Bank picked her up, given how hard it is to get a permit to enter Israel. Odds are better that it was some dude from a settlement who picked her up, then dropped her off at al Manara after he was done with her and left her to the PA police to take care of her.

Sometimes the simplest geatures have the best ramifications. This incident shows the humanity of Palestinians and should be a spark that ignites cooperation and building a real lasting peace along with economic development that will better Arab-Israeli relations.

There is a difference between a stripper and a prostitute and even prostitutes have rights. Perhaps someday someone will do a business transaction on you and impove your attitude.

A "dude from a settlement" raped and sodomized her? Really? Where is your evidence?

You admit you don't know the first thing about the area but then you make assumptions that are wild. For your information the seams are quite porous and there are (cup ear here) many ARABS in Israel proper who could easily have gotten a stripper (read Prostitute) in a car, given her date rape drug and taken to Ramallah. Your assumption that every inch is fenced is just plain wrong. Your other asumption that a settler took here there really shows how ignorant you are. There are no settlements nearby and IF an Israel man was dumb enough to drive into Ramallah, he would be dragged from his car and murdered before anyone could save him. Have you ever heard of the murder in the police station of two Israeli's who took a wrong turn? Listen, try getting some education on the area before you make truly stupid assumptions.

Is it possible that Palestinians come into Tel Aviv and then back to Palestine? Is it possible that the perpetrators are the Israeli settlers/soliders/police?

You are correct. I fear though, that when the tests from the lab come back and an investigation opened....it may show the PA at fault. BUT LETS NOT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS.

Arabs also live in Tel Aviv. They do not have to travel from Ramallah. It's only the Palestinian areas that Jews are not allowed to live in. Israel is not the apartheid state the pro-Palestinian propaganda would have you believe.

not killing drunk defenseless woman as sign of humanity is probably is a stretch. Either that or you hold Palestinians at very low.

It's quite common Israeli men behaving badly to women especially in Thailand. This is just a horrid example of a few horny and pathetic men abusing this woman after Tel Aviv nightclub then making an awful joke to her at then end by leaving her in Ramallah. Disgusting really, nothing funny about that.

Why do you say it would be the most likely scenario? Seems to me any Israeli Jews would have a serious death wish to go anywhere near Ramallah.

Jewish Israelis do not travel to Ramallah or area A. Palestinians from Ramallah do not travel to Tel Aviv. However, some Arabs in Israel proper travel to both Tel Aviv and Ramallah. Does that spell it out to you?

Actually Jake & Sarah, I worked for an NGO in Ramallah in 2007-2008, and I do know the area and the people well. I have no idea what you're talking about re: 'no settlements'--There are settlements all around Ramallah. But perhaps you just call them "neighborhoods." Ofra, Psagot, Kohav Ya'akov--take your pick? Checkpoints prohibit movement of Palestinians from the West Bank to Israel. Palestinians who try to avoid checkpoints risk getting shot at by the Israeli army. It's generally not worth the joyride. Is it possible that a Palestinian who had permission to leave the West Bank (perhaps w/ permit, perhaps because they have a Jerusalem ID) could have gone to Tel Aviv, picked up a stripper, and then dumped her? Sure, although the Israeli Army officers on duty that night should be in trouble for not checking IDs on the way in from Kalandia (or wherever--they had to enter somewhere). Every time I drove in and out of Ramallah, everyone in the car had to produce ID, and Palestinians had to get out and walk through the check point to be searched. It would make kidnapping someone rather difficult. A drunk, passed out Israeli woman with a group of Palestinian men would be rather suspicious, don't you think? Those officers should be reprimanded for their negligence! It's also totally possible that it was someone who lived in a settlement. Settlers get a cursory glance from the IDF, and can avoid the Palestinian roads...if they want. Israelis do use those roads when it's convenient. It's true that a person who announced that they were a settler wouldn't be welcome in Ramallah, but the odds of a murderous rampage are pretty much non-existent. To suggest otherwise is blatantly racist. They could dump someone out of their car in seconds and head home, and nobody would notice. There isn't exactly a shortage of yellow-plated cars in Ramallah. Many international workers have them, as well as Palestinians with Jerusalem IDs.

Pals try this over and over again by claiming they were in the land prior to the arrival of Jews, and their 1920 massacres were really because of the 1948 War of Independence. Your citing of the Torah regarding Canaanites speaks only of their return again from Egypt. You conveniently ignore the many centuries where they dwelled in Israel before being forced to Egypt due to a famine. Not surprising. The same logic applies when Pals tell the world they were descendants of Jesus yet admit the Arab invasion didn't occur until 642 AD, and DNA test showed more in common with average Arabs then Pals and other Mediterranean groups they claim ancestry to.

There are many Palestinians with Israeli permits who reside in E. Jerusalem, Jessica. Do your homework before you start to tarnish the reputations of settlers, whom you seem to hate. If it were a settler, chances are his car would have been targeted by Pal terrorists as they have been doing in recent weeks. Your suggestion disgusts me and it should disgust you to make such an assertion without ANY proof or understanding of who settlers are. Please tell me you do not work for the US govt. I can't see my country being led by idiots like you and be hopeful for a future.

Despite working as in an NGO in Ramallah, Jessica seems to have no knowledge of Arabs living in israel.

You think you are smart dont you. Well I am not a computer expert, so if you tell me how to get my IP address, I will send it to you. My name is Marco and I am spanish living in Belgium. Any other information about me that you need?

I don't hate anyone, but I also have enough experience with settlers to know that they aren't all angels. Perhaps you're not honest enough to acknowledge that. Settlers are Israelis who live in the West Bank because they are religious Jews or because they were new immigrants and wanted affordable housing. There's nothing intrinsically evil about them as human beings, but sometimes their behavior is unnecessarily hostile to people outside their community, and their sense of entitlement to the land is making a two state solution impossible. All of you people who think that "Jordan is Palestine" need to get a clue. The Palestinians aren't going anywhere, and due to the "success" of the settlement building efforts since 2000, one state is looking more and more likely. Only it's going to be a Judeo-Palestinian state, not a Jewish-only one. For the sake of balance, I'm aware that not all Palestinians are angels. However, the vast majority aren't terrorists, either. Mostly they just wish they could live a normal life and not have their land taken from them. I'm sure you'll disagree with that assessment, but my guess is that you've never spent enough time with Palestinians to actually know what kind of people they are, so your opinion doesn't matter one iota to me. All I was trying to say with my original post, was that it's ridiculous to automatically have a knee-jerk response that it's a Palestinian who did something wrong. It's plausible--and possible--that it wasn't. If you're not willing to consider all possibilities, then you're not fit to judge. Rape is disgusting, and we should all be disgusted by it, even if the woman is employed in a somewhat dubious profession. I empathize with her, and if it's not possible to determine who assaulted her and bring them to justice, then I hope that she receives the support and treatment she needs to move on with her life.

Why do you bother with such a long description when so much of it is blatantly wrong? You make it sound like Jewish settlers can use any road they want. This is blatantly false. Israeli civilian traffic are, for all intents and purposes, not allowed to use Palestinian roads in Area A and B. Furthermore, even in Area C, over recent years, due to the number of terror incidents, Israeli traffic is limited to roadways that connect the settlements, and settlers are turned back from entering Palestinian areas by the IDF, which separates the two populations as much as possible, if only because of the antagonist relations between the two. I don't know where you got the idea that an Israeli can simply use a Palestinian road any road he wants to, when it is a documented fact that there are Palestinians-only roads which Israeli motorists would be prevented from entering by the IDF if they attempted to enter, and don't try and deny it. Saying "the odds of a murderous rampage are pretty much non-existent. To suggest otherwise is blatantly racist" is really laughable, considereing Ramallah was the site of the infamous lynchings, as well as a number of near-lynchings. No need to pull out the race card when lives are at risk. Most of your remarks indicate you have an axe to grind, which doesn't surprise me. But the most wise remark you made was the final one: "There isn't exactly a shortage of yellow-plated cars in Ramallah. Many international workers have them, as well as Palestinians with Jerusalem IDs." As well as Palestinians with Jerusalem IDs. I rest my case.

Well, then, I can say that the vast majority of inhabitants of Waziristan and northwest provinces of Pakistan are not terrorists either, but that doesn't stop President Obama -who told us over and over again about the need for soft power and a fresh new approach- to send drones there to target terrorists, but always end up killing civilians in the process. It sure looked like it would be easy from the opposition, didn't it? "All of you people who think that "Jordan is Palestine" need to get a clue. The Palestinians aren't going anywhere, and due to the "success" of the settlement building efforts since 2000, one state is looking more and more likely. Only it's going to be a Judeo-Palestinian state, not a Jewish-only one." This comment indicates severe ignorance. Israel is not a "Jewish only state" and never was. Israel is the closest thing to functioning pluralism the region has ever seen. And you know damn well that settlement building has nothing to do with why there is no Palestinian state, because it was precisely the areas that settlements were EVACUATED that Palestinians have regressed the most into Islamofascist backwardness, in particular Gaza. Give me one piece of evidence that further evacuations would yield any different results. Finally, from one point of view, it is true: Jordan is Palestine. TransJordan was part of the territory of the Palestine Mandate, and it was the part of that territory which was intended to be developed for the benefit of the Arabs of Palestine, from which the provisions of the Jewish National Home would be excluded. Not to say that all Arabs west of the Jordan should be required to go there, but that this area was supposed to serve as the homeland representing the interests of the Palestinian Arabs in general. The Hashemites, who were expelled from Arabia by the Saudis, essentially turned the area into a Hashemite fiefdom representing the interests of their own tribe. This was wrong; they had a duty to the take into account the interests of their Arab subjects, the majority of whom were never Hashemite. The fate of the Palestinian territories should have been dealt with via existing nation-states, not by the creation of yet more states.

I've now read of them turning-in terrorist weapons caches, preventing suicide bombers, reporting tunnels and now returning a "citizen" safely to the authorities. With expectations so high maybe these guys are the best of the worst? Maybe this is as good as it gets. All I know is that one woman found religion that night because for about 100 bad reasons-she should have been dead. It's a good thing she lives in the Holy Land. This American salutes the PA for being gentlemen. Score one for Palestinian honor.

"Think" I'm smart? Actually, dear ... forgive me .... I don't "think" I am. I KNOW it. I've got the degrees, honoraria and corporate achievements to prove it. Well, dear .... you DID ask. I have answered your question. And -- for the record -- I don't really care who you are, where you come from, or where you live. Truth be told, you're irrelevant. You are an anti-Semite and that is all I need to know to fully discount you. Ciao.

I almost got the tears while reading your posts: Settlers aren’t all angels, Arabs aren’t all terrorists. And there will be a Judeo-Palestinian state…And we are, the bloggers, just not honest to admit it. Did the thought about natural population growth ever cross your mind? Oh, no! Jews can’t multiply. They just endlessly flocking from all over the world to grab the land that Israeli government landed them to build the new houses. And where Israel gets all this land? Oh yes! She just endlessly stills it from poor Arab neighbors. Did you learn Palestinian well enough to distinguish it has the same dialect as the neighboring Eastern country? If only Palestinians could call themselves a Nation! Your brain washed distorted views will never become the reality simply because there are no grounds for their realization. Maybe you just never heard about honor killings in Arab villages, maybe it skipped your attention there are no Jews in Ramallah but only a small community of some manipulated by self-hypnosis people like you who come with the shortsighted ideas ignore seeing the full picture and bluntly committing themselves to the destruction of the truth. Please, Believe in Seeing and do Not See as Believing

If you wonder why your original message is got so many negative talkbacks because it looks realistic but it’s not. If you would live in Israel and would decide to travel to PA or Gaza then you would probably understand how distorted and manipulative your analysis sound for Jews in Israel.

What a low bar you set for Arabs. Why any Jew should be in danger in Ramallh when nobody is handling out medals for not murdering Arabs in Tel Aviv? And how did the woman got to Ramallah -- who brought her?

You mean the Palestinians who make up 20% of the Israeli population, whose rights are frequently infringed upon and treated like second-class citizens? Yep, I'm familiar with them, too... Let's face it - there are millions of men, Israeli, Palestinian (or for that matter, foreign international worker), who could have done something to this woman. The nationality/race of the person who perpetrated the crime is not really important. The individual who did it is responsible, not the entire race/nationality. The rest is just sensationalism meant to sell newspapers and stoke the flames of hatred.

Sarah and Lynn, it sounds so pathetic to know that both of you live in the US and have the guts to add talkbacks about an issue that doesn't seem to concern you...Lynn you where there before the Phaorohs, why aren't you living there now? is it because israel is a corrupt community? is it because you make more money in the US? is it because you are scared and prefer to spit your obscene remarks at others from the comfort zone that you are living in? you guys are just plain pathetic! William, i will just tend to ignore you as i did in previous posts, i know you get hurt so much by my posts against you. jessica, very well said i respect you for the terrific flow of thoughts you put into your talkback, thank you. Marco, just ignore people like Sarah, she is just trying to show you how much her zionist mind won't accept the fact that non-arabs defend the palestinians..its alright she is an american after all, she would be probably spending her time now getting your IP, checking your history to make sure you are spanish , and then when she discovers this she'll go "OH my gaaad, i mean, i don't believe it, i mean its not possible" thats how they tend to react when they discover new things about this world, when the virtual bricks that they have built around them start falling piece by piece only for them to discover the ignorance that they have been living with and how much of an embarrasment to this world they are.

do you think that the palastinians can pass from talavive or to talavive without 500 checkpoint but sure thisstripper pass with israili car or palastinian car which no one can stoppeed it in any check point it will be to katsave like one or to fayyad like one but believe me if evry stripper walk in the street of ramalla or alkhaleel or jenin or tolkarm ..people will cover her first and send her to police station it is our culture but raping always is in secret and behind the doors of somepeople like some israili and governors from the currapt palastinian goverment