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Rights group: IDF committed Gaza war crimes
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Published: 25.03.09, 19:17
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31. Hamas does not need to defeat Israel militarily to win a ...
Robert Bernier ,   Tel Aviv   (03.26.09)
Hamas does not need to defeat Israel militarily to win a big victory. In fact, Hamas knows that in some ways, dead Palestinians serve their purposes even better than dead Israelis. In the West we look at this and say, "It makes no sense." But it does make sense. If you are committed to Israel's destruction, and if you believe that dead Palestinians help you score a propaganda victory, you do things like launch rockets from a Palestinian schoolyard. This ensures that when the Israelis do respond, it will likely lead to the death of an innocent Palestinian - no matter how many precautions Israeli soldiers take. As to the IDF "war crimes" : http://xrl.us/bemnkt
32. #31 Robert--Hamas is not the enemy, it's the
Ken ,   Burma   (03.26.09)
Israelis themselves. Hamas is only a result & counter-weight to Israeli expansionalism and Fascism. What Israel needs is a Nelson Mandela or Gandhi to rid them of their hatred before its to late.
33. #30 and your english is getting worse and worse
Danny   (03.26.09)
The only TBs I have ever read supporting the targeting and killing of civilians is from anti-Israelis, which makes sense given the Palestinians and Hizbollah almost solely target civilians. What I do see is that people have tried to explain why civilians get killed and hurt in the wars that Israel is forced to fight. Hamas openly boasts about using civilians as a shield. It openly uses civilian installations such as schools, homes, mosques, ambulances and hospitals for military actions - there is copious evidence to show this. CNN repeatedly used fake videos from Palestinians during the operation, including one that was clearly staged for the cameras. The reason you get accused of being anti-semitic are following: 1) The Arab-Israeli conflict is such a low-intensity fight that one wonders why people like you and Marco are so interested in it at all 2) The human rights "violations", even if they were true, are so trivial compared to say Myanmar that a non-biased observer wouldn't even have Israel on it's to do list. 3) You take every single anti-Israeli claim and not only take it as gospel but amplify it. This is despite copious and undisputed evidence of faking and lying on the Palestinian side. I actually think you are simply an employed wind-up merchant and Marco is some right-on student wanting to work his middle class guilt on a non-threatening, non-controversial topic. If you were anti-semitic then that would assume you have some form of real ideology backing your nonsense up.
34. Marco, here is the reuters article
Danny   (03.26.09)
presumably not "heavily censored": "The group gave no precise casualty figures, citing the difficulty of determining in every case which burn injuries were caused by white phosphorous." ie they have no evidence that ANY of the casualties where caused by the smoke munitions. They do uncritically report this claim: "The report documented several attacks involving white phosphorus, including one on January 4 that killed five members of Ahmad Abu Halima's family in northern Gaza, saying it found remnants of the substance at their home. "I was talking with my father when the shell landed. It hit directly on my father and cut his head off," the 22-year-old said." - now does that sound realistic to you? I mean really?
35. forgot the link to the reuters article
Danny   (03.26.09)
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE52O46420090325?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
36. #33 Good morning Danny, so your saying the IDF are
Ken ,   Burma   (03.26.09)
anti Israelis. That your friends who support killing Gazan children so they don't grow up to become suicide bombers, are anti Israeli? "The reason you get accused of being anti-semitic are following: 1) The Arab-Israeli conflict is such a low-intensity fight that one wonders why people like you and Marco are so interested in it at all." This isn't anti-semitic, it's anti-fascism Danny, remember there is a differents and it should be everyone's concern. 2) The human rights "violations", even if they were true, are so trivial compared to say Myanmar that a non-biased observer wouldn't even have Israel on it's to do list. Trivial to you Danny, not the World! (But thank you for linking Israel to Burma, they do have a lot in common) 3) You take every single anti-Israeli claim and not only take it as gospel but amplify it. This is despite copious and undisputed evidence of faking and lying on the Palestinian side. First off I'm not an Anti Israeli, I'm an anti Fascist, there is a differents I think, but I could be wrong, Also my opinion of israel is not based on what I hear or read in the News, it's based on comments like yours and your friends. Granted I could be biased by it, but you only have yourself to blame. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ? So Danny what do you think of Nelson Mandela and Gandhi, do you know who they are? Ps I'm sorry for my English, would you like to try Hebrew?
37. #34-- See Danny, I form my opinion on comments like yours!
Ken ,   Burma   (03.26.09)
How would you discribe your father head being blown off? Would your proper english make it better?
38. #37, happy to try hebrew
Danny   (03.26.09)
but i suspect that it is non-existent. What exactly does Burma have in common with Israel? I mean exactly. In what way is Israel "fascist"? - again i mean exactly. Why does such a low-level conflict bother you sooo much but high-intensity conflicts in Africa don't? What is it about the Jewish state that trivial "violations" upset you but Hamas's violations - which they boast about - of their OWN people doesn't in the slightest? Again what EXACTLY does Israel do that makes you so interested? What is it that trumps 3million dead of starvation in North Korea? Or million executed in Iran? Or 300,000 dead in Algeria? Or repression in Tibet etc etc etc etc etc. You been trawling North Korean sites? Or Iranian ones? Or every single Middle Eastern and African site? Or Russian sites? Or Chinese? Why does Israel get your special attention?
39. #37, I would consider his statement with extreme suspicion
Danny   (03.26.09)
Lets see what is being claimed: A family is sitting in a room. One man is talking to his father when a smoke shell - which explodes in the air - happens to hit the father in the head - from a distance of several miles hit a target maybe 20cm diameter and takes it clean off. The shell also doesn't explode - because the young man survives but later burns the house down, only once the man gets to walk out. Even if it wasn't for a history of fabrication from Palestinians, this story would normally need to be extremely heavily checked, which as HRW admit it wasn't, rather it was just repeated. Of course you just took it as obviously true, which goes back to my point in the original post.
40. #36, care to point out a TB here that says:
(03.26.09)
"That your friends who support killing Gazan children so they don't grow up to become suicide bombers"? Or an IDF statement that says that?
41. #38--what about my ?'s Danny?
Ken ,   Burma   (03.26.09)
Here I'll start: What exactly does Burma have in common with Israel? A total disrespect for humanity and human rights. It's we and they and not us! In what way is Israel "fascist"? - again i mean exactly. Why are you asking me this question? remember I said "First off I'm not an Anti Israeli, I'm an anti Fascist, there is a differents I think, but I could be wrong" And I said " It become more and more evident that the TB'ers on here who support the killing of civilians are not Jewish, their Fascists trying to hide behide Judaism. They accuse us of anti-Semitism when in fact we are anti fascists. There is a differents! " " Why does such a low-level conflict bother you sooo much but high-intensity conflicts in Africa don't? All conflicts bother me. What is it about the Jewish state that trivial "violations" upset you but Hamas's violations - which they boast about - of their OWN people doesn't in the slightest? Again all trivial "violations" upset me and I disagree with all the fascist that try to justify these trivial "violations on here. Now lets hear about Nelson Manela and Gandhi?
42. #41, so no answer then?
Danny   (03.26.09)
just meaningless rhetoric... We have people with all political views, maybe you should look up Hadash's views. Or the Arab parties which got 10% of the seats in the Knesset. Of course that would be involve actually knowing something that pontificate about...
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