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Final offer: J'lem concessions and settler evictions
Roni Sofer
Published: 26.03.09, 19:05
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1. Keep offering them more you idiot
Golan ,   SL   (03.26.09)
This is so stupid. Every few years we offer the Arabs more. Why would they sign anything when they want it all and so long as they are getting more and more by stupid Israeli Prime Ministers (Rabin, Peres, Barak, Olmert.) Why not wait? You never know, the next Prime minister after Netenyahu might even offer all of West Jerusalem with the Negev, and the "right of return." And the PM after that might offer all Jewish kids under 5 years old as a gesture to peace too. And the PM after that will offer complete capitulation. Why not offer more?
2. laAzazel !
ezra ,   canada   (03.26.09)
3. Justification keeps piling up
Arie ,   BaGolan   (03.26.09)
If there is any wonder why we voted kadima/labour out of office? The more they confess to what transpired during their reign, the more we understand how close we came to disaster. They offered parts of our capital - an offer that is now dead given fatah's obvious insistence that we offer everything from 'the river to the sea!'. They offered the Golan totally compromising the North. They gave hamass free reign of terror in the south. They offered up Jewish State taxes to build exclusive arab cities to house the tibi led 5th column. And they raided our treasury with their corruption. What we need now is a good old fashioned investigation in to just how much long term damage they actually did do to the State.
4. talk,talk and talk. but nothing will change on the ground!!!
abraham ,   hebron-palestine   (03.26.09)
ok mr.olmert , you can start with evacuating these 60000 settlers. israel can show its real intentions by evacuating these settlers who live behind the wall. we are still waiting for your and mr.chaim ramons evacuation law . make this first step and than the palestiniens must and will believe you. the problem is that noone on the palestinien side thinks that this will happen in our lifetime. sadly. but true. bye mr.olmert
5. it didn't take sherlock holmes
dovid ,   eretz yisroel   (03.26.09)
Anyone else out there remember that the government adamantly stated that the security fence was only for security and had no political ramifications???
6. If so, why was it not accepted by the P.A.
Jake   (03.26.09)
I thought Fatah and Abbas were Israel's peace partners. Then why wouldn't they accept this unprecedented deal granting them parts of Jerusalem? Could it be that Fatah, like Hamas, refuses to recognize Israel? Perish the thought.
7. #4 Last time such a law was enacted, did you suddenly become
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (03.26.09)
more peaceful? You remember the Gaza pullout, I assume. Do you remember what you did next - elected Hamas, which immediately reneged on all previous agreements, had Israel's utter annihilation as part its charter, and which then proceeded to attack Israel from within the very "liberated" area. So we'd prefer some assurances from *your* side for a change. You have never given us any in the past, so it might just be time for a start.
8. To "abraham" of "hebron, Palestine"..lol!
Truth   (03.26.09)
Genius, if you had ANY sort of education on the area you and your were indeed an arab, you would have NEVER referred to Hebron by it's Jewish name and you would never have used that spelling for your name. What a total idiot. shut up.
9. Peace
Steven Rosenfeld ,   L.A. USA   (03.26.09)
These negotiations are a farce. All I see is Israel making more and more concessions and the palestinians making none. Now that Israel has published what its final offer is, it should stick to it. Israel should say to the world, here is what we have offered and there will be no more talks until we receive a Palestinian response which details the concessions THEY are willing to make to achieve peace. Enough of this charade between Israel and the Palestinians. Have it out in the open for all the world to see once and for all.
10. Newsflash
Aaron ,   SF, USA   (03.26.09)
Palestinian leadership does not want peace until Israel does not exist anymore. That is the starting point for their negotiations.
11. So basically Israel offered to draw the border...
Kate ,   Tel Aviv, Israel   (03.26.09)
and the Palestinians rejected the offer, and that's it. This is the Israeli concept of negotiation? Likud=Kadima=Labor, none of them will ever reach an agreement that will truly end this conflict that has caused so much bloodshed on both sides until the basically Israeli mentality changes and the Palestinians are viewed as equals...
12. When is this fartbag going to leave?
Al   (03.26.09)
Geez...He is a waste
13. #11 Kate, like with every such plan - the details are open
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (03.26.09)
to further negotiation. This is called a counter-offer, the very basis of negotiation is to have offers and counter-offers, but they're pointless if no one ever accepts the *basic premise* of the negotiations. So what was the Palestinian set of demands again? Full 1967 borders, all of the Old City of Jerusalem, turning Israel into Palestine by filling it with refugees... so who is treating whom in an unequal manner again?
14. Palestinians : I Would Accept Such Offer
Abdel Karim Salim ,   Jerusalem - ISRAEL   (03.26.09)
In principle such a plan offered by Ehud Olmert should,at least 80%,be acceptable to the Palestinians. Unlike conditions of May 1948 when Jews declared the establishment of the State of Israel, today's condition still shows Israel enjoys the upper hand, especially militarily.I very seriously doubt Palestinians or Arabs could wrestle any territory from Israel by force or in any war. If Palestinians are now already quite educated and sophisticated then they should remember how they lost in 1947 a golden opportunity given to them by the partition plan of the UNO. Let them be wise,realistic,and nationalistic enough to accept and grab such a singular plan.In principle it would be much better for the Palestinians than having nothing at all... The only point I have to make clear is that I do not know the specific details of such a peace plan including its political,legal,and administrative sides ! Otherwise, to me at least, it looks tempting as much as reasonable and practical to a large extent... Abdel Karim Salim Sharif stalingrad_43@yahoo.com Jerusalem - ISRAEL
15. Talk about poor Pals just wanting a state is baloney
Sam ,   Canada   (03.26.09)
The Palestinians don't just want a state as they would like the naive audience in the West to believe. They could have had that. They want concessions out of Israel without any deal. The deal that they are demanding is all of East Jerusalem, all of the West Bank and an unlimited right of return of Palestinians into Israel because that is the same thing as NO ISRAEL.. Nothing has changed in this regard. No Palestinian leader appears ready to settle for less for fear of being shot.
16. #11, Kate, let's translate your little diatribe into English
Jake   (03.26.09)
None of them will ever reach an agreement that will truly end this conflict that has caused so much bloodshed on both sides until Israel accepts the Palestinian/Arab counter-offer, and vanishes into thin air.
17. Kate in TA:Typical left wing anti-state histrionics
Arie ,   BaGolan   (03.26.09)
Try reading before your usual knee-jerk reaction to any Israeli offer, no matter how misguided olmert is. It is called negotiations (would you like a definition?). Simply stated, and I will write slowly so even you can understand, an offer was made to abbas (the master of the Munich massacre in case you forgot). abbas has never responded to the offer. There is no rejection. Now that kadima/labour is dead, so is the offer. What you CAN rest assured of is that when Netanyahu pulls a lot of the appeasement and surrender off the table, abbas will quickly respond that olmert offered it so that will be the starting point for future discussions (he does that always). As for you, until the leftie mentality in TA changes, we could only hope that a future government cuts TA out and offers TA up in exchange for peace. The proverbial win-win!
18. #8 truth not so clever my friend!!!!!!
abraham ,   hebron-palestine   (03.26.09)
let me remind you of something. since this is an english-language web-site, it is normal for me to write my name in the english version of it. and this is why i wrote hebron my clever friend. as far as i know the hebrew name for hebron is hevron. and the hebrew name for abraham is avraham. so plz dont tell me that hebron and abraham are hebrew words and names. bye
19. you can never deceive the world all of the time
haifa   (03.26.09)
stop lying to the world , it is clear that everything you are pretending to offer is only part of your propeganda machine , and nothing is true about it ... lies ,lies ,lies and more lies ... all we ( peace loving people ) are asking for is an end to this conflict and giving back everything that was taken from them in 1967 .. please make peace , enough is enough ....
20. THEY WILL NEVER GET IT
DAVID ,   JUDEA   (03.26.09)
The only thing that will bring peace with our Arab brothers, is giving up all off our land period. They do not want a Jewish state and they repeat this over and over again, it is their mantra. The way we are going at the hands off our great leaders they might get their wish fulfilled, without them lifting a finger. There is something compulsive obsessive with our dear liberal humanistic moral superior Herzelists in their worship of peace. They will literally give up anything, as long as they can be watching their reality shows or participate in them, for their 15 minutes off fame.
21. PALESTINIAN STATE ILLEGAL UNDER QURANIC LAW
Mohammed ,   Mecca, Saudi Arabia   (03.26.09)
The Quran acknowledges in different chapters that Allah gave all of Israel to the Jews. Surah 5 verse 21 states "O my people! enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back Ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin." Surah 5 verse 12 states "And certainly Allah made a covenant with the children of Israel, and We raised up among them twelve chieftains". Surah 17 Verse 104 states "And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel, "Dwell securely in the land (of promise)": but when the second of the warnings came to pass, We gathered you together in a mingled crowd." "And We said unto the Children of Israel after him: Dwell in the land; but when the promise of the Hereafter cometh to pass We shall bring you as a crowd gathered out of various nations." It is well documented in the Quran that the term "Israel" or "Children of Israel" refers to the twelve sons of Jacob (Prophet Yaqub in Quran) and their descendants. This is an UNDENIABLE FACT. The Quran also prophesizes the State of Israel in 1948 in surah 17 verse 104 when Allah would gather the "Children of Israel" out of various nations and return them to their land from exile. Palestinians are anti-Mohammed, anti-Quran and definitely anti-Allah. Allah will curse the Palestinians for interfering in his will for the Jews. A Palestinian State is illegal under Quranic Law because Allah told Mohammed that the land (of Israel) belongs to the twelve tribes/chieftains/sons of Jacob.
22. #8 - Truth, It's like "Ramallah, Samaria"
Joe ,   Ramat Gan   (03.26.09)
or "al-Quds, Judea"! This guy expects to get taken seriously? HA HA
23. to the fake mohammed #21/Miracle Quran
True Mohammed ,   cleveland   (03.26.09)
you need a clarification : Allah SW gave the "blessed " land to the believers (almoumenoun ).. all of them passed through the Blessed land ..jews /christians /muslims ...even before that all the way to Adam puh. but after you got to the promissed land from egypt ..you turned it to the killing land ,you disbelieved your prophits ,it was about the time to send the next prophit .. the believers test for the blessed land ,you failed it miserably ..and you still do with your porno industry and gay parades ..allah SW will get you out ,time will tell my friend "Mohammed" . if you think about it ..your post is an admission that the miracle Quran is the word of allah SW ..you should convert at once ..here is why .. because if it was from Mohammed PBUH ,he would have hidden or at least ommited those verses .. wow ..............i think i got you now . i know you agree with me but your ignorance and blindness will prevent you from thinking . . you want to hang around one reason to justify why you should be there and take my land .... may allah SW clear your way to him .
24. EXILE IS DIVINE DECREE
(03.26.09)
The Talmud tells us that God obligated the Jews not to rebel against the ruling bodies and not take the land of Israel by force. (Babylonian Talmud Tractate Kesubos) 111A
25. offrring
colin   (03.26.09)
The corrupt Olmert stays true till his eviction FRAUD-CORRUPT CHEAT THOUGHT HE HAD THE AUTHERITY TO OFFER JERUSALEM The fool Abbas took him to his word.NEVER BELIEVE A LIER!!!!!! Jerusalem was combined by blood and will never again see any devision by anybody .!!!!!!!!!!!
26. It's not mine,... but I offer it anyway.
Gideon Reader   (03.26.09)
Notwithstanding that 93% of Judea and Samaria is NOT his to offer to a hostile(or even a friendly entity) supplanted by parts of Israel's capitol, Jerusalem, Alleged PM Olmert, is at least for once in his shopworn, shoddy and politically malpracticeing life being honest. It must feel strange to him. However, any offer he has made to the aforementioned entities must be considered null and void by the incomming government. Corrupt-o-crat Olmert is without doubt a particularly disgusting bit of political excrement; blythely donating that which is not his to give, and as such any entre he has made should be considered "treif". May I be forgived if I offer a personal side note: What a slimey, disgusting and outlandish Putz he is. He is better suited as a polititurd situated somewhere in central Africa than in a semi-democracy like israel; who I suppose deserves scum like Olmert, just for tolerating him.
27. olmert is proud
mohson   (03.26.09)
He is proud of his concessions, offers greater than anyone else. Wow! That hamas would fire rockets from jeruslame to tel aviv is inconsequential to this moron olmert whose wife took trips from charity money. That Slyrira funds hezbollah and hamas terror doesn't matter to this moron shmutz;give them back the golan and hope that they will behave. In response to Bush who asked Ehud, how can you trust them when they are in bed with terror, silence was his response. And the coup de gras, we will give arabs a corridor through israei in exchange for west bannk territories. And the arabs will fire rockets from 2 sides squaashing israel with terror. Now ehud doesn't understand on the ground security, no grasp, zero. He is governed by fear and greed and payoffs in envelopes. This is an idiot of monumental proportions. Oh, the americans agreed with olmert's p proposals. Well if israel dropped dead tommorrow, USA would not shed a tear and they are looking for anything to get a lid on arab terror. And Livni runs around, smug in her 2-state conceptioin, and self satisfied. Is it me or do I fail to understand something here. You cannot go back to the wild teror of 48 with missiles and kassems. You have to wait and hold until the time is right. And even then, only the barewst concessions are possible. You want to start from scratch. Ok., Jordan was part of british palestine. Lets start from Jordan. And demographics have been distorted. Olmert will go to his grave begging for mercy for the pain he has caused israel and his wife will do no better as she is partly responsible for allowing this chamberlain to run for office.
28. You can offer the Palestinians....
D   (03.26.09)
...the entire Middle East with all of Jerusalem, Medina and Mecca and they would still not be happy.
29. Olmert waiting for an answer
Ariel Ben Yochanan ,   Kfar Tapuah   (03.26.09)
B"H - Olmert: "I told him [Abbas] – 'let's sign.' It was half a year ago and I'm still waiting". - ABY: Your wait is almost over now, so relax. Bibi will close your deal and sell us all out, don't you worry
30. Olmert want Hamas rockets straight in the hart if Israel
Daniel ,   Amsterdam   (03.26.09)
Golan to Syria,Jerusalem to Abbas? What happen if Hamas gain power in Gerusalem we are going to bomb Jerusalem?Anyone can immagine a scenario like this? Is this man really crazy or what? Do we need another Holocaust before we send him at home or in jail.
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