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Final offer: J'lem concessions and settler evictions
Roni Sofer
Published: 26.03.09, 19:05
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31. that "offer" is not enough
SD ,   London   (03.26.09)
It is basically the wall as the border. It means 75% of Palestine's water goes to Israel (under Ariel), and most of its largest city, which is East Jerusalem. The heart is cut out of the country, and what is left is an unviable rump. The occupation is preferable to this, at least it means Pals cannot be physically expelled.
32. OLMERT OFFER
ALEXI   (03.27.09)
You heard about quizling, traitors, cowards-Olmert is all of them. He would trade his sons and daughters to get peace with the arabs. Ofdf course Olmert has not done his duty to israel in the idf where he was a press officer. The rest are lies.He exaggerated his injuries. In any case, he has no understanding of security, of land topography, nothing golan heights, west bank, jeruslame, nothing. hos sons too are unfortunate offspring cowards, not of their own doing. the legal system will protect olmert. So God will make his retirement hell. Otherwise there is no good.
33. Idiot at #21
Marco ,   Spain   (03.27.09)
Your name is not Mohammed and you are not from Saudi Arabia. You are an Israeli whose name is probably Moshe or Avi or something like that. In the odd chance that you are a Saudi, then you would be one of those retarded Saudi Wahhabi imams that continuosly issue outrageous fatwas that give a bad name to Islam.
34. Olmert IS THE abseloute IDIOT. MAFIA
Robin   (03.27.09)
let him go and sleep with Hamas!
35. #21, Palestinian State is illegal
Rob ,   Mesa, usa   (03.27.09)
Mohammed , you are absolutely right. Allah did give Israel to the twelve sons of Jacob in the qur'an. Palestinias and muslims are not decended from the twelve sons of Jacob. You are so right. Now I know.
36. PALESTINIAN STATE ILLEGAL UNDER QURANIC LAW (part 2)
Mohammed ,   Mecca, Saudi Arabia   (03.27.09)
Muslims are not the Israelites or Children of Israel but are the Ishmaelites. Muslims are from the bloodline of Prophet Ismail (Ishmael). The Jews or Children of Israel are from the bloodline of Prophet Ishaq (Isaac) and Prophet Yaqub (Jacob). Muslims were never enslaved in Egypt for hundreds of years by Pharaoh. Pharaoh enslaved the Children of Prophet Yaqub (Jacob). Allah then sent Musa (Moses) to save the Jews from Pharaoh's tyranny. Surah 44 Verse 30 states "We did deliver aforetime the Children of Israel from humiliating Punishment," Surah 44 Verse 31 states "Inflicted by Pharaoh, for he was arrogant (even) among inordinate transgressors." Allah promised the land (of Israel) to the twelve sons/tribes/chieftains of Prophet Yaqub (Jacob) in surah 17 verse 104 & surah 5 verse 12 (among others). Muslims have no right to the land of Israel. Muslims can only visit the land of Israel. All of the suicide bombings and terrorist acts are as a result of the Palestinians' rejection of Allah's command. Palestinians have brainwashed the Arab world into thinking that they have a right to the land (of Israel). Allah promised the Jews that he would gather them amongst various nations and return them to their land of promise (Israel). The Palestinians are leading the Muslim world into conflict with Allah. The Palestinians also duped the Islamic world into chanting "Death to Israel". Chanting "Death to Israel" is the equivalency of saying "Death to the Prophet Yaqub (Jacob)". The term "Israel" is a very holy name. The Quran makes it very clear that the term "Israel" derives from the Prophet Yaqub (Jacob) and his twelve sons. I say once again, the Palestinians are leading the Muslims into confrontation with Allah. Muslims have to put aside any hatred for the Jews and condemn the Palestinians living on land that was not assigned to them by Allah. It is because of the Palestinians that Muslims from certain countries can't visit holy sites in Israel like the resting place of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham), Prophet Ishaq (Isaac), Prophet Yaqub (Jacob), Prophet Yusef (Joseph) and Al-Aqsa Mosque & al-Haram ash-Sharif (Temple Mount). Palestinians are not Muslims. Don't tell me that the Palestinians are Muslims because that would anger real Muslims.
37.  Idiot at #33
M- al-M   (03.27.09)
Your name is not Marco and you are not from Spain. You are an Israeli leftist whose name is probably Moshe or Avi or something like that. In the odd chance that you are a Spagnol, then you would be one of those retarded askanazi leftist or Naturei-Karta member that continuosly issue outrageous & racist talkbacks that give a bad name to Jews. Mohammed al-Mashett, Cordoba.
38. Time to offer to move then back to Jordan Palestine
David ,   Boston, USA   (03.27.09)
End this farce. Cancel Palestine. Create peace. The Arabs dont want peace. Stop offering them something they dont want. Start demanding they live up to agreements and prepare for a future of peace, but NO second Palestinian Arab state.
39. #31 That's a bit silly, considering the fact that water
Roman ,   Lod, Israel   (03.27.09)
agreements have already been signed, and are in effect - have been for over a decade and a half now. As for "cutting out the heart" - please. East Jerusalem isn't even the heart of Palestine today, neither was it 65 years ago when it had a Jewish majority population. Or didn't you know that detail? Nor do I understand where and when these physical expulsions of Palestinians you insinuate about are meant to take place - a permanent agreement would have a defined a border, and the only uprooted people per that agreement would have included Israelis. Amazing, isn't it? Straw-man arguments, SD. You've been arguing against an imaginary opponent and defeated his "lies". At least get the facts straight next time.
40. Re#6-Yes! No Negotiations Possible ...
Christy ,   Boston, US   (03.27.09)
unless the deal is the entire nation of Israel! How MANY TIMES do we have to hear Palestinian leaders state they want it ALL?! I don't understand why people refuse to believe them!
41. Re#33 - Prove It
Christy ,   Boston, US   (03.27.09)
Can YOU Prove that the Quaran says otherwise?
42. #37
Marco ,   Spain   (03.27.09)
Cant you be a little more original?
43. I agree with Gideon Reader
Marilyn ,   Adelaide   (03.28.09)
Under the law all of the West Bank already belongs to Palestine so why do jews keep thinking they can use it as a bargaining chip. If the 300,000 US citizens went home tomorrow and then the 1 million Russians the Palestinians could have their land back.
44. How about 1967 borders and no settlers?
Eva SK ,   Brighton, UK   (03.28.09)
In accordance with International Law? Stealing 100 dollars and offering to return 93 dollars after 40 years does not strike me as fair or acceptable. Palestinians should hold out for 100% of what is due to them.
45. To Eva 44
Rabbi Yehoshua ,   Leicester, UK   (03.29.09)
Don't be ridiculous Eva. You've been watching too much Jeremy Bowen on the BBC. This whole sorry mess came about because the Arabs refused to accept the UN's twin state solution in 1948 and chose to try and wipe Israel off the map. How many lives have been destroyed as a result of this crass stupidity and greed? And you then talk about what is rightly due to the Palestinians? If a negotiated settlement is to come about it will require compromises on both sides, but your intransigent approach merely condemns both peoples to decades more of the same.
46. #11
me ,   Toronto   (03.29.09)
There is no BORDER. There is a cease fire line. West Bank was occupied, tehn annexed by Jordan after 1948. 1948 - 1967 no state, whose fault? There will be no change until the ARAB attitude changes and they stop thinking of Jews as sub class DHIMMI.
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