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'Pope's visit won't stop us from praying at Western Wall'
Ari Galahar
Published: 29.03.09, 09:56
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31. Pope's visit
Lisa ,   switzerland   (03.29.09)
the Pope is coming for a short VISIT, for crying out loud, this is not a crusade- what are you people so afraid of? Bad things happened in the past- we all agree- do you think these TB's serve any purpose except spread hatred and poison? All the tourists visiting Jerusalem? How about them? And why critisize the Pope's attire? Should we Christians make fun of your black hats, beards and clothes? Of course that would be 'anti-semitism'.....and that is a no-no. Funny, the worst TB discussions always happen to be on a Shabbat-
32. The Wall
Danny ,   Almuñecar, Spain   (03.29.09)
What's the matter with you guys? If he doesn't go to the wall you get offended, if he goes to the wall you get offended. Get real, the Pope is trying to meet you half way.
33. KOTEL RABBI BRAVO,#6that rabbi is a walking sin
..............DACON9   (03.29.09)
34. #28
Meir ,   Beit Shemesh   (03.29.09)
You are obviously uninitiated. My titled specifically said Heir to the Piso Clan, they were the true authors of the Fictional New Testament staring the fictional Harry Potter, er I mean Easter Bunny, er Santa Claus i mean Jesus. The initiated understand the codes of the animals, the numbers and secret letters which the Piso clan used to copyright their story. Arius Calpournius Piso used many aliases to create fake corroboration. If you read last weeks news the Essene theory was disproved
35. #31, 2nd COMMANDMENT. NO OTHER gods OR symbols BEFORE 'ME'
......DACON9   (03.29.09)
a cross is a symbol your poop is a symbol of nazism ALONG WITH your jeus as a symbol >of spanish inquisition >pogroms , >die in the name of jeus >hitler and > constant missionary work to convert JEWS You YOUR church and all followers of jeus doctrine is to convert JEW. WE JEWS ARE YOUR TROPHY. YOU KNOW IT AND WE KNOW IT YOU ARE against JUDAISM. LOL, BECAUSE YOU LOVE US THATS WHY ! DACON9
36. DACON9
Lisa ,   Switzerland   (03.29.09)
I am amazed at your list: cross, pope, nazis, Jesus... all in one breath. you would be surprised at how little conversion is attempted- this is in your mind DACON9-. You see anti-semitism everywhere. And what exactly does this visit have to do with the Nazis- they were a German political party- not a church- . I don't buy any of your arguments- they are no-brainers.
37. The Pope's visit
Luiz Felipe Haddad ,   Niteroi, Brazil   (03.29.09)
As a friend of the Jewish people, I am very sad because of so many insults, and disregards, to the Chief of our Catholic Church. Respect is good and we like it. God is unique. Radicalism and intolerance are awful. Think about it. Luiz Felipe Haddad.
38. lisa you do not know jewish history
...........DACON9   (03.30.09)
before you comment read and learn your poop ate with hitler many times best buddies your poop hid stolen jewish atifacs for the nazis 70% 0f nazis were roman catholics. your poop helped 80,000 nazis escape including mengele the angel of death escape missionaries are rampant where ever there are jews. jews 4jeus have a 30 millin $$usd budget in israel alone to convert jews. every major church has a committee of missionaries to proselytize jews. you dont know your history, or our history you are ignorant to history past and present, why are you even in a jewish news site what is your purpose.? Examing how we 'behave'? CRITIZING IF WE DONT REACT ACCORDING TO your church expectations? i know you love jews...
39. # 36 Lisa
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (03.30.09)
Yes Lisa, our POV's are always no-brainers. Unfortunately we are still the ones whose families, friends, etc. are the ones who have been murdered, beaten, abused by the crusaders, the spanish inquisitors, the nazis and of course their willing accomplices. As far as conversion demands, if we don't convert we are told we won't go to heaven. Gee whiz, guess we will have to meet up with those gentle people who murdered our families where-ever they happen to be residing at this late date. Lisa, unfortunately you haven't got a clue to the reality of Christianity's hatred towards the Jew. You have called us Christ-killers from the year one and have attempted to destroy or convert us for the eons since then. Spare us your nonsense. The truth is painfully obvious, and it certainly is not the hokum you post.
40. Reply to #30 Crusades
Isaiah ,   London England   (03.30.09)
I am well aware that Yizkor began during the crusades in memory of the many kehillohs in Germany that were wiped out. My point is only that Christians also venerate the Holy Land. Today's pope and his pedecessor and John XXIII are different from Pius XII and earlier popes. There is no need for so much hostility.
41. don't know history?
Lisa ,   Switzerland   (03.30.09)
you are wrong: Lisa happens to know a great deal about Jewish history- . My point is: your arguments are valid to a point, however... there have been changes- people change, the church has changed- the teachings have changed- the attitudes have changed- you still quote the past.. We have argued over this ad nauseum on TB- . The church, the people, the Christians have apologized, tried to make amends, reimbursed etc. of course it does not make a wrong right- and it does not bring back the dead- we know, you know- and you keep repeating it over and over. We understand, I understand- but you really think the world will EVER be a better place, children will have a better understanding, if all we get is rejection, reproaches, old history? Europeans learn about the Holocaust in school, there is zero tolerance on Anti-semitism, racism.... people go to jail etc. for spreading hatred. Vicious and derogatory comments like the ones published on Ynet TB would never be allowed in most countries in Europe- But, by your own admission, you are not willing to accept apologies of ordinary people, heads of state, leaders of churches..... an eye for an eye- forever. You want apologies, reimbursements, returns of treasures, etc. how far back? Day One? Middle Ages? Or, do you just want to be left alone in your island within a hostile neighborhood? You want recognition, acceptance, support, for Israel- ? Don't you think it would be a generous gesture to let the head of a church whose 'founder' was born a Jew, living in Jerusalem, visit for a day? I am sure the Pope (he is called Pope, not poop) does not want you to miss your daily prayers at the Wall... no need to start a demonstration over it.... There are other religions besides Judaism, you believe yours is the true religion? Good for you. Other people believe too..... As for conversions: I don't know where you get your numbers.... I have never heard of this. Which religion are you talking about? Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons?
42. #38 DACON9
Lisa ,   Switzerland   (03.30.09)
I just knew there was something wrong with your argument....DACON9... Jews for Jesus- is NOT a Catholic organisation, far from it... it is an Evangelical, some say Jewish organisation based in San Francisco.. so please, before you vilify anybody, get your facts straight. by the way, what makes you think I LOVE JEWS? I love a Jew- big difference, LOL http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:XIJo66MY_8oJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_for_Jesus+jews+for+jesus&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=es&lr=lang_en|lang_de&client=firefox-a
43.  Wrong Wall
Mike Van Harris ,   Antwerp Belgium   (03.30.09)
YOU ARE ON THE WRONG WALL AND WRONG COUNTRY. Please use GPS to locate your Western Wall.
44. Israel vs Pagan
Brod ,   USA   (03.30.09)
Israel should say NO to the Pagan Chief.
45. #44 Brod the American
Lisa ,   switzerland   (03.30.09)
yes, Israel could have done this- when the request was put forward- Now at the last minute, there are all sorts of arguments surfacing, like the ones on this TB- very badly organized - the country should be united politically- but it isn't , and THAT is the problem- factions pulling in all directions.....secular against orthodox, personal reasons against politics and diplomacy- . Israel is a young country- and boy does it show. UNITY is the key- learn it or sink!
46. Matthew 24:11
Zohan ,   Tel Aviv   (03.30.09)
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." "Take heed that no man deceive you "Matthew 24:4 Pope is one of them. Even Rev. Moon headgear is copied from the Pope.
47. Venerate?
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (03.30.09)
Venerate the holy land? Certainly!! In the hope that their messiah returns to life and the Jew is now extinct. Self delusion seems to be your aim in life.
48. # 40
Ben ,   Monroe USA   (03.30.09)
We see the anti-semitism emanating from merry old england growing by leaps and bounds. Surptised, no; merely a reprise of englands leaders actions during the period 1946-1948 towards the Jew who merely tried to get out of Europe to the safety of then Palestine. We also are quite aware of European anti-semitism showing it's ugly head since Israel dared to defend herself. In their view, the only good Jew is a dead Jew. You have a perfect right to delude yourself, please don't try to delude us with the hokum. I tell you, when Benedict openly states the Christian theology is a lie, then and only then will I accept the nonsense you and Lisa post as sensible.
49. LISA LISA LISA. MY FINAL POST TO YOU
....RABBI DACON9   (03.30.09)
YOUR TIRADE SHOWS YOUR HATE YOUR POOP REPRESENTS THE BIGGEST XTIAN CHURCH.you can call yourself catholics or xtians or jews4jeus, its all the same idol worship.because you dont recognize my numbers or my arguements you dont accept them, well lady JEWS dont accept your churches evils that continues ,reparations, many can be done, but your poop and ones before him refuses. YOU FOLLOW A DEAD MAN THAT his own commmunity excommunicated him for being rebellious and a practitioner of black magic, not miracles. When you say jeus was a jew, No we cant even say his name for his sins he did and caused. you follow the worst of the worst. and now you follow your "poop" that still encourages proselytizing. you know nothing your hate for us is overwhelming. your imposition of your belief and your ideology of your belief and what you want, or actually " insist" we follow from you, is overwhelmingly evil. when you cease all missionizing to Jews, i will reconsider your apology. as of now, you shake our hand with your right and kill us with your left. the debate is over. I will not respond your your bigotted answers any longer I AM A JEW AND I AM ALLOWED TO HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT MY JUDAISM ABOUT MY NATION. YOU ARE NOT... OR ELSE YOU WILL BE JUDGED BY THE SAME RULER TIMES 10, IN THE HEAVENS AND WOE IS YOU IF YOU ARE JUDGED BY THAT RULER. RABBI DACON9
50. #49 the RABBI
Lisa ,   switzerland   (03.30.09)
just in case you read this , dear Rabbi, you are barking up the wrong tree: I am none of the things you are accusing me of- you are WRONG... I have nothing to do with the Pope, with JewsforYou, with the Nazis, etc. etc... there is no point to argue with a person who finds fault with everything- and accuses everyone of hate. I wish you peace- in your own little and confined world-
51. #47 and #48 Ben in Monroe
Isaiah ,   London England   (03.30.09)
Although I work in London I am an American Orthodox Jew, so you may have made a few wrong assumptions. If we can't agree I hope I can at least wish you and all ynet posters a Chag Kasher v'Someach.
52. ISAIAH #40
..............DACON9   (03.31.09)
CHAG KASHER PESACH BUT I HAVENT MET ANY IN MY CIRCLE OF TORAH JEWS THAT WOULD SAY THIS POOP IS NY DIFFERENT THE HOSTILITY IS FROM YEARS OF CONSISTANT PERSECUTION IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER AND MANY OF US ARE FED UP PLAYING DEFENCE WITH THE CHILDREN OF ESAU , EDOM.ROME TODAYS JEUS FOLLOWS.. WE ARE FED UP BEING DEFENSIVE ESPECIALLY FROM OUR OWN NATION SAYING TOLERANCE. WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO BE A XTIANS DOOR MAT OR TO LISTEN TORAH SAYS TO SEPEARTE YET HOW MANY INVITE THE XTIANS TO THEIR SEDER? WHY? ONE OF THE HOLIEST NIGHTS WHEN THE ESSENCE, SHECHEENA ,OF HASHEM IS BEAMING DOWN FROM THE HEAVENS TO THE CENTER OF YOUR TABLE, WHEN ELIYAHU HA NAVI ENTERS YOUR HOME,WHEN YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO SPEAK TO YOUR CHILDREN TO REMEMBER ... AND THERE ARE JEWS THAT WANT TO ENTERTAIN THE GOYEEM.then they wonder why ,,chas ve shalom, their children married goyeem. THEY CANT TOUCH THE WINE its forbidden and its inevitable that the xtians will introduce the subject of their mangod for comparativeness to their easter... THIS POOP AND ALL PAST AND IF A FUTURE, WILL NOT UNDERSTAND. IF THEY DID UNDERSTAND, THERE WOULD NOT BE A CHURCH OR A POOP OR A XTIAN.. . THEY WOULD BE NOAHIDES... THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE 2nd COMMANDMENT EXPLICITLY. THEY DONT. IF THIS POOP INSISTS ON WEARING HIS CROSS THEN YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MORE HE DISRESPECTS THE ''NATION OF ISRAEL'' THE G'D OF ISRAEL AND ALL THINGS AND ALL JEWS EVERYWHERE. TOLERANCE MEANS A CORDIAL HELLO AND GOODBYE. THATS IT JEWS AND ISRAEL OWES NOTHING TO THE OTHER NATIONS EXCEPT A CORDIAL SMILE AND GOODBYE. if they want to learn, they will listen to our light, they will see it and know it if they want to preach , they will speak compare and retort.. how many goyeem did you ever meet that listened and learned? improve yourself is what most Torah emett shuls tell you. This would be the antidote against all their tumah they brought upon the world. I WRITE HEBREW PHONETICALLY WITH the sephardic accent, incase you dont understand me.....
53. Oy vey
(03.31.09)
The Pope's visit is going to cause many problems. Better he shouldn't come at all, or at least not to the Kotel.
54. Re#11-Rivkah You Bring Some Interesting ..
Christy ,   Boston, US   (03.31.09)
.. info! (You need your own blog.) I'm familiar with the Malachi prophecy, having read about it at length on some Catholic blogs during the election of this current pope. If I recall, there is some dispute as to the 'numbering' of the popes within the prophecy. Some believe that this current pope is the LAST before the apostasy sets in and there is a 'phony pope' on Peter's Throne. You have read that there is one more 'good pope' before the bad one?
55. Re#12 - huh ? St Malachi ?
Christy ,   Boston, US   (03.31.09)
The one Rivkah refers to is NOT the Biblical St. Malachi, but another one with same name. If you're interested, Google search Malachi+prophecy+popes. This St. Malachi gave a prophecy for the remaining popes from his time to the Last Pope before the End. Problem is, he didn't know their names so he wrote about their characteristics. It's aligning the names with the characteristics that is tricky. This prophecy was debated a lot on Catholic blogs when the last pope died and before this pope was elected. It seems the descriptions for each pope leave a lot to be interpreted. Some Catholics feared the last pope was to be the last good one and had reservations about Benedict because of their interpretations of the prophecy. Among the Catholic blogs that I followed, there seemed to be a consensus that the current pope was the last good one.
56. Re: Headgear
Artemus C ,   Tampa USA)   (04.01.09)
Zohan: Peace be with you! The "headgear" is called a "mitre". It is intimately tied to Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, which was instituted by Christ at the Last Supper according to the Hebrew rite of pascha or pesach. The mitre has two symbolic horns, in imitation of the two horns of the headpiece worn by the Jewish High Priest during Old Testament times (i.e. during the Day of Atonement [Yom Kippur]). The two horns represent the fullness of their priesthood in which they now offer the "daily sacrifice" of the Mass, as foretold in Malachi 1:11. The Pope doesn't think he's God. That's preposterous. He's a man like you and I. There is only one God and He's the same God you and I worship.
57. Saint WALL...achie ?
Walt K ,   Sherbrooke, Canada   (04.01.09)
Is down for a while...
58. Comments of such good Jews.
Claudia ,   Tampa FL USA   (04.02.09)
Far be it for me to defend a Catholic pope since my ancestors were French Huguenots, but it is sad to read such ugly talk from Jews that apparently know next to nothing about Christianity. Seems every time I am hopeful of a Jewish-Christian reconciliation here comes this stuff. I will just stop reading it and depend on my personal friendships with Jews as happy as I am to be friends and understand eachother. Shalom
59. hate
anne ,   australia   (04.03.09)
I have read all the comments to this article. Almost every single one is a comment of hate. Most of them do not even make sense, including the one from a certain Rabi who should know better. Are we not supposed to love God and OUR NEIGHBOUR? Regardless of race, color or religion? The second WW started because of hate, that is why so many Jews, Catholics, and religious people were killed. I think I have just read the cause for the third WW.
60. Statues
anne ,   australia   (04.03.09)
CATHOLICS DO NOT PRAY TO STATUES. Does anyone of you have a photo on the wall or anywhere in the house of a person you love, or of someone who has passed away? Each time you look at the photo you are reminded of that person, is that not so? This is the way Catholics treat statues. They are reminders to us of the saints, the Mother of God etc. When we pray we pray to Mary we ask the Mother of God to intercede for us before God, and to take our prayers to God. Mary is not God, she is a human being like us, but she is a very special one just like any Queen Mother who has great influence on her Son. Check the Old Testament and see how many Queen Mothers had great influence with their sons. If you want your prayers answered, go to the Mother of God and He will not refuse her!
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