1. Bingo, hit the nail on the head
Now tell that to Tsipi...
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2. assumption #4 is incomplete
It assumes that even if the Israelis and all the Arabs and the all the other muslim nations were to be at peace, that there would not be any other issues tearing the region apart. The fact is that the Arab-Israeli conflict in terms of deaths it causes is insignificant in either a middle east context or global context and most of the wars in the Middle East have NOTHING to do with Israeli-Arab conflict
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3. Truthful bu missing one profound point
The real more profound point is that the world, except when their existence is clearly endangered, tries to co-exist with evil rather than confront it. This is what they have been doing with the Palestinian issue all along. Proof of this is that the 'progressives' commonly referred to as Leftists politically support Palestinians even though Arab culture contradicts every issue they hold dear, woman's rights, death penalty, socialism or democracy, separation of Church and state, etc.. These progressives and their supporters, the background forces of Global power players, who empower Jihad against Jews/Western society are the ones responsible for the turmoil in the world. Jews and their just cause is so despised by these Babalists because Jews remain outside of the Globalist's aspiration for world dominance and submission.
| Paul , |
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4. Excellent.
| shadoil , |
Jerusalem |
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5. If not a Palestinian state, then what?
A single state, with all the people it governs voting for it? This would be the end of Israel as a Jewish state.
A single state, ruling over the Palestinians without letting them vote, as at present? This is called apartheid, and was tried in South Africa.
A single state, ethnically cleansed of Palestinians? This was tried in Serbia.
The one thing that has not been tried for decades is offering to end the occupation and withdraw to the Green Line, without trying to hang on to chunks of the most valuable land as Barak did at Camp David.
Most of Eiland's assertions as to why this wouldn't work are simply not true. The only one that I fear may be is that an Israeli government that tried it would topple, and articles like this one only contribute to that.
| Jacob , |
Cambridge, England |
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6. Eiland ignores one basic premise
The Palestinians' ultimate goal is genocide against the Jews, especially those in Israel. Not only is every map, which includes the area of Israel, entirely covered by a Palestinian flag, but schoolbooks, sermons, TV programs, etc., promulgate vicious hatred toward the Jews/Israelis.
Just recently, the PLO representative to Lebanon, Abbas Zaki, said the following: "The P.L.O. is the sole legitimate representative [of the Palestinian people], and it has not changed its platform even one iota. In light of the weakness of the Arab nation and the lack of values, and in light of the American control over the world, the P.L.O. proceeds through phases, without changing its strategy. Let me tell you, when the ideology of Israel collapses, and we take, at least, Jerusalem, the Israeli ideology will collapse in its entirety, and we will begin to progress with our own ideology, Allah willing, and drive them out of all of Palestine."
This is the Palestinian version of the "Final Solution". Never forget their historical alliance with Hitler.
| Laura , |
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7. #5, actually you are wrong
Serbia - along with Turkey, Poland, Russia, Germany etc - worked perfectly well. Not pretty and not ever likely to happen with us. By the way, I note that kicking out 450,000 Israeli settlers is perfectly workable for you.
Single state were the Palestinians have autonomy but no army and no "return"? Why is that apartheid? Do you actually understand the meaning of the word? What the reality was for blacks in SA?
Or merging the West Bank with Jordan and ditching the english-installed Hashimite monarchy? Or waiting out the current rash of Iranian sponsored terror until it plays itself out?
Exactly what assertion isn't true? I mean actually not true like the assertions you made.
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8. Human mistake, believing others are rational
Something rarely spoken about is that those that come to kill Jews, those left in their midst, is that they can be negotiated with. As if they are rational. It is called something like cognitive centrism, wherein you believe others to think like you would. A point often overlooked with regard to the lack of rationality of those mass-murdering, extortionists who come to kill Jews and usurp the land of the Jews own name, is that when arabs illegally controlled YeShA prior to the '67 battle, they claimed in their own charter that they make no sovereign claim to those lands of YoSh and Azza. They only claimed the land within the green line, the land the Jews controlled. Why do the nations, the arabs and mossers like netanyahu, lieberman, and the jolly drag queen barak now want to cede YoSh and Azza to the mass-murdering, extortionists whose own charter explicitly made no sovereign clam to? With all due respect to everyone's homelands, why not actualize the right of return of those that come to kill the Yehudim in their homeland Yehuda, that their own charter mad no sovereign claim to, back to the homicidal Hamite peninsular homeland of their own name?
| Kerwood Derby , |
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9. If this is true
If this is true , Israel is doomed, without a Palestinian state, there will be a single state in the whole country, and Jews will be a minority.
I hope very much this writer is WRONG
| James V. Cohen , |
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10. Idiot Savant without the savant part
The American Mistake was the election of ZerObama.
A person sans the skills, experience, or ability to perform at any executive level, will perform at that level when placed in said executive position.
His name clearly spells out the problem.
One Big Ass Mistake America.
Sound fishy? That is the Floundering around, trying to cope with hope. And we are left with change in out pockets.
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11. Point that is missing in all these excellent points is this.
The USA Establishment+ EU +all the Rats and Mice States in World want to get rid of the entity known as ISRAEL..Short and Sweet!
As far as they are concerned ,Israel is getting in everyones hair! A threat to World Peace -no Wars anywhere else)
Why did UN ever agree to its establishment back in 1947 is their cry
How to do it, iseveryone's main headache.
Right of Return is the ultimate way. Thats why the SA Apartheid Canard is the most popular and democratic way.
Refugees in + Elections in mixed state=goodbye Israel.
In whose interest would "PEACE" be ,as article asks... No one in M.E.
Theres always a problem -SETTLEMENTS , RIGHT OF RETURN, CANTONS, GAZA OPEN AIR PRISONs (where life expectancy is well over 70 compred to Russia 60) BLA BLA
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12. No. 7
I will say it time and time again. What is this other solution "whereby the Palestinians are no longer under Israel's control" that these right-wing intellectuals always gone on about? I hear their arguments time and time again. But I never get any details.
Nu kvar! What is your solution if not the two-state solution? And it better not have the word "final" in it!
| Smith , |
TA, Israel |
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13. Good article, but...
The article is very good and true, but does not take into account God's plans for Israel, which will NEVER be thwarted.
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14. Obama makes mistakes that can ruin Israel
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15. Re: to author & to talkbackers
B"H
One solution you all overlook: Hashem's Peace Plan for the Jews also know as the Torah. We don't have to invent the hot water here. We are the only nation in the world that has the Torah and thus knows EXACTLY what to do and how. Here are the major points: Am Israel should be on the Land of Israel and should possess it fully. Not only parts of it, partially. All of it and completely. This means two major diferences respect of the current situation: no hostile Arabs living in Israel and no hostile Arabs living in Judea and Shomron. Then, there is the institutional question. Instead of the "democratic" system we've learned from the nations, we should have our Jewish institutions: the Beit Hamigdash on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, our King, our Sanhedrin and our judges in every village. Of course we deem these things “unrealistic” today and we are not doing any of them and we even have the chutzpah to get upset every time something goes wrong and bad things happen to us. Elections may be good for the Americans, for the nations, but knesset is not a Torah institution and we are also told not to get divided. Therefore it is no wonder this system doesn't work for us at all. It can not. It wasn't meant for us! As long as we refuse to be Jews, on the national level as well as individually, we’ll always have problems and tragedies. On the other hand, if we did what is required from us, we’d have peace and prosperity.
| Ariel Ben Yochanan , |
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16. Giora is absolutely correct.
Now please go and explain all that to Obama and co who themselves understand nothing about the situation here.
And even our own Tzipi Livni could do with absorbing these undisputable facts as well.
| Mike Carmel , |
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17. American Mid East policy is old and stale
The champion of "Change" mr. Obama folows same old, same old when it comes to the Middle East. Bush also was not much better by the way.
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18. There is no solution in the near term
The only answer is that we can not give in.
The Arabs are not ready for any sort of peace, nor will they be ready in the lifetimes of our grandchildren. That is a simple plain and irrefutable fact.
So any attempt to resolve it is a pure waste of time. Stop supporting terrorism and maybe the Arabs will one day grow up and realize that they have nothing to gain. On that day there is a chance of peace in the meantime no.
| Gee , |
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19. Only #15 Talks sense.
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20. peace?
The picture is really very clear.
Both Hamas and the PA call for the destruction of Israel. Neither are the slightest bit interested in peace.
Why doesn't Israel get this message? Why are the government so afraid of America and world opinion?
Obama or anyone else cannot dictate to the Israeli govenment what it can and cannot do in the best interests if the country.
All negotiations at this time are futile and a waste of time money and energy, all of which should be directed into the welfare of the people of Israel.
Shamir rightly said that when the Arabs want peace let them come and tell us. How much longer are we going to pussyfoot around and ignore reality?
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21. really great and simple analysis
something the "right wingers" have been saying for years
| svietka , |
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22. The one glaring assumption left out
Israel doesn't want peace, Israel wants "facts on the ground".
| Said , |
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23. #12
Actually,
Your need for a solution proves your biased thinking. In medicine sometimes someone presents with a problem that cannot be cured or bettered, to "fix" it infact incurs many more dilemas than just leaving it alone.
The two state solution is in fact a much worse reality than what we deal with today. However, people like you have such a need for control that you insist on implementing a "solution" for no better reason than feeling like you're doing something constructive. It's like a Dr. who MUST treat the patients no matter what, irrespective of the fact the damage they will cause will be far worse than the problem the patient came to be treated for. This constitues criminal neglience for your information.
A solution is to create a multitude of independant city-states, as Jenin is distinct from Nabulus from Ramallah, etc...
Did it never strike odd in your mind how Gazans often have the family Al-Masri... That means "The Egyptian" in Arabic, Smith. West Bankers from Gazans are quite different. Different clans bicker constantly. You'd be setting up an interpalestinian genocide by forcing clans that hate each other to "unify". I'm afraid the "Palestinians" have no David/Mohammed/Ghengis Kahn/Philip (Macaedonian) leader to unify their rag tag tribes.
Your solution is imperalistic and reflects Tel Avivian Colonialism. Ironically it's the "left" in Israel that was super racist against Mizrahim and Sephardics and Ashkenazis like Menahem Begin (who thought differently from old school european mentality). You're the reason there is division within Israel including amounst the more moderate religious (the ones who serve) who are an integral component of our society.
So why exactly do you believe a two state solution is good? Because everyone in the international playground is peer pressuring you?
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24. MAIN issue: How to ensure Isarel's survival.
Gen. Giora Eiland,
Y our analysis and B ogie's are
t errific but need to be combined.
SO, a concrete plan for PM Bibi
c a n emerge.
As a holocaust child survivor, I
can assure everyone that the WORLD doesn't care a whit,
about Jewish
continuity!
- Ihm ain anili .... mihli?
Let's wake up and i nsist -
NEVER, again.
-Bill Newman
West Hartford, CT USA
| Bill Hartford,Ct , |
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25. The real peace process
Defeating Arabs is the real peace process. That's the conclusion.
This will bring peace in a couple of decades.
| Frank , |
Canada |
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26. It would be cheaper just to buy out the Palestinians.
Let them move to Libya.
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27. false assumptions
national aspiration = national nightmare!!
Great. Funny isn't it how few advisors, reporters and talking heads in the West including BHO have any clue as to the strategic and tactical position played by the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan in the Israeli/WB and Gaza game and in the broader ME calculus.
| Colin Nelson , |
Ottawa, Canada |
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28. #12, so the only solution is the one that doesn't work?
The real answer is that there is no rush. Once oil reserves in Iran go into decline, alot of the issues that currently vex any solution will solve themselves.
It is wierd you keep proposing the one and only solution we know for an absolute fact doesn't work ie pulling out. We tried it in Lebanon, we tried it in Gaza, we tried it in the population centres in the West Bank and without exception we got terror in return. Where we have retained control we got no terror. There is a one to one exact correlation. How many times does "ending the occupation" have to fail until you can say it simply doesn't work?
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29. Israel should not listen to Obama
Obama's policies are guaranteed to be harmful to Israel. He smiles, talks nice to the American Jewish lobby, proclaims his friendship with Israel, and proceeds to hand them their head on a platter.
Israel, what Obama and the USA want for you is probably inconsistent with Israel's survival as a Jewish homeland. Obama wants Israel to conveniently forget decades of bloodshed and vows to wipe it off the map, let bygones be bygones, and make him look good by signing some bogus peace treaty that will last, he hopes, 8 years.
Israel can and must do what it needs to survive. Probably, that will mean transferring the Arabs from Gaza into Egypt or some other spot. Maybe an island in the Mediterranean can be built for them. Or maybe just a tailored virus that wipes them out. Whatever.
The status quo is not acceptable but Obama's vision of the future is untenable. Israel is not Obama's b*tch. Don't cave. If necessary, reject the military aid and chart a more independent course of action.
| Terry Traub , |
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30. even
if iran is rubbed from the world the israili palastinian conflect would remained the headeach of the world but if israil is rubbed the problem will be solved
| injad , |
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