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Armored brigade chief: We're preparing for 'classic' war
Hanan Greenberg
Published: 26.05.09, 11:11
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1. Colonel Royi Elcabets
BEN ,   SINGAPORE   (05.26.09)
please SHUT YOUR MOUTH ! FIRSTLY- RESCUE GILAT SHALIT and than you May BLOW YOUR TRUMPET ! Do IT !
2. Old days are gone
Mike Van Harris ,   Antwerp Belgium   (05.26.09)
Your old days are gone. Today its hizbollah has the upper hand. boming hospitals schools and bridges does not make you a hero. When you fight with the Palestinans who has no wepones and you call your self a herooooo . He he he he
3. #2, really?
Danny   (05.26.09)
"boming hospitals schools and bridges does not make you a hero" - worked for hizbollah and hamas with you....
4. Nothing wrong with focusing on realities
Ypip ,   Canada   (05.26.09)
5.  #2 malik the arab no one asked you!
jason white ,   afula,israel   (05.26.09)
Keep your ham-ass face out of our business. You sit there in the capitol of eurabia and write about us. Look what the belgiums did in the congo. Look at the history of WWII and you were invaded by the nazis,but had volunteers for two s.s. divisions to help them. You come from a nation of cold blooded murderers!
6. To disappointed #2
Ben-Africa   (05.26.09)
You didn't see burned Israeli tanks and you did hear of Hamas runing away and hiding in hospital basements. Maybe you should try doing that for them; I dont think you would he he he he. You are such a shmock !!!!
7. To disappointed #2
Ben-Africa   (05.26.09)
You didn't see burned Israeli tanks and you did hear of Hamas runing away and hiding in hospital basements. Maybe you should try doing that for them; I dont think you would he he he he. You are such a shmock !!!!
8. 1,3,5,6,7
Zvi ,   Kfar Sava, Israel   (05.26.09)
Instead of calling he who disagrees with you an Arab and writing talkbacks that have no substance whatsoever, why not explain why he's wrong. Calling names and sounding off in an uncontrolled manner makes us look like racist fools and only feeds the hatred against us even more. Mike, yes, the old days are gone. That's for sure. Hitting hospitals, schools and bridges is surely a travesty. However, you're overlooking the fact that very often these are the exact places where terrorists hide out. It leads to a moral quandry no one should be in. Think about this be fore sounding off about the state of the Israeli military
9. It's Not 1967 Israel Can't Win "Classic" War
World Citizen   (05.26.09)
Because there are no classical wars for Israel to fight. Every war in the Middle East that Israel chooses to start will be asymetrical. The Arab Middle East knows it cannot fight a conventional war with Israel as long as the Americans keep supplying you with advanced weapondry. But the United States is a staggering giant. It has spent itself into bankruptcy fighting proxy wars for Israel. The American people are wising up. Why should they support Israel when states like California and New York are going broke? Sooner or later they are going to cut the funding off that allows for your aggressive posturing. It may be ten of fifteen years from now but the fall of the modern zionist Jewish state of Israel is only a matter of time. You have no one to blame but yourselves. Your leaders have never wanted peace with the Arab world. They want an Israel from the Euphrates to the Nile. It is not going to happen.
10. Classic Crusade
Robert M. Stockmann ,   Oosterhout NL   (05.26.09)
Why is the IDF preparing for the Vatican's last crusade against the Muslims?
11. IDF forces are cowards
kalidas ,   austin, usa   (05.26.09)
I wonder about the IDF commanders who know damn well the truth behind the cowardly acting poorly trained troops who drop their guns and run when a real battle with real soldiers such as Hezbollah commences. When the going gets tough, fighting anyone but unarmed women and children, the average IDF troop will fail. The commanders surely know this.
12. Israel readies for Classic Wars
Rick Weismuller ,   New York , USA   (05.26.09)
I agree with World citizen on this one. israel cannot fight a classic war, and for several reasons. 1) the country is way too small , there is not enough depth to absorb an enemy force thats large enough such as Syria, remember that even as late 1973 war Syrian Tanks were in Israel in under 3 hours. 2) The Money supply is simply not there anymore , the US is Flat Broke, only surviving on nthe T bonds that the Chinese wishes to Purchase. 3) Only a fool fights the way the enemy is expecting you to fight. 4) This is not 1967 or 1973 any more , Technology has changed, as Hizzbullah in the summer of 2006 points the way to any future wars in the mideast. 5) Combat never goes the way you planned it , everything changes with the first shot. 6) Israel has never fought any classic wars lasting more than 6 days so they really have no experience to draw upon. In any case peceful resolutions are always superior to armed conflict.
13. Rules of War
Amanda ,   Madrid EspaƱa   (05.26.09)
Israel has shown the World how it too should be treated in the coming war, No Quarter
14. To: Rick at No. 12
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (05.26.09)
The Yom Kippur war in 1973 lasted somewhat longer than six days, and Israel very successfully turned the tide of battle and inflicted heavy losses on both the Egyptians and the Syrians. That said, Israel is very capable of fighting a conventional war. Its air force is formidable and a carpet bombing of Syria (and Hizbullah-controlled areas of Lebanon) is very definitely on the table. By the way -- Hamas and Hizbullah are not interested in peaceful resolution. Sooner or later -- probably sooner -- both will have to be destroyed, no matter what the cost in public relations to Israel.
15. To: No. 13
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (05.26.09)
How much quarter should Spain get for its war crimes against the Basque people?
16. Try This
Eyes Wide Open ,   Australia   (05.26.09)
Negativity only begets the same. None of you are wrong in what you believe. But then none of you are 100% sure of what you believe. When something of a spiritual nature goes wrong, you have doubts. I am not Pagan, Christian, Wiccan, Buddhist or Hinduist. I choose not to label myself because labels restrict. Remember... the label is just a label, look beyond it to the actual person you are talking with. All are equal, all want fulfillment, so help each other. Blessings
17. How Best To Survive
Eyes Wide Open ,   Australia   (05.27.09)
"Human beings do not struggle for survival. They survive together." All cruelty springs from weakness. - Seneca 4 BC AD 65 ;D
18. To: No. 9
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (05.27.09)
"Fighting proxy wars for Israel." You have that exactly backward. 1956, 1967 and 1973 were proxy wars fought on behalf of the United States (and NATO) by Israel. All three were splendid examples of how poorly Soviet-made equipment would fare against the West, and that is why the Soviets never came thundering into West Germany. Also, Israel developed shells that could pierce the armor of the T-72 tank (something America never quite managed to do), and Israel gave the United States its first look at the MIG-21. Proxy, huh? Do you have any idea how idiotic your comment is?
19. #18 Sarah
Eyes Wide Open ,   Australia   (05.27.09)
Dear me Sarah, it is no longer 1967, I would have thought that the massive tank & crew losses suffered by Israel at the hands of 2000 Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006, not to mention the near loss of a state of the art guided missile frigate, which limped back to port taking no further part in the war would demonstrate to anyone that Israels enemies no longer use "soviet era" weapons?? Hezbollah, Syria, Iran have the latest from Russia which in most cases is at least 10 yrs ahead of anything the west has. You see Sarah, while the US et al have been fighting protracted wars all over the world since the end of the cold war, Russia has been sitting back watching and developing weapons to exploit the weakness's demonstrated by the US etc. As one Russian aptly put it, "We have always had the technology, now we have the money" (energy wealth) It is not 1967 Sarah, and not all Israels enemies are unarmed women & children coralled into strips of land akin to concentration camps. Better to make friends than enemies, maybe it is too late for that I fear.
20. Israel prepares for Classic war
Rick Weismuller ,   New York, USA   (05.27.09)
My point exactly, Israel is basing its strategy on Past Wars, The Egyptians and Syrians lost because of Bad decision making at the high command level not because Israel were so great, can Israel count on them to make the same bad decisions again? Israel cannot destroy Hizzbullah or Hamas , Get real, if that were the case Hamas should have been defeated years ago , right. Israel's Air power doesnt mean much, You dont win Wards from the Air, if that were the Case The Germans shoiuld have won the war in Russia, The US should have won the Vietnam war and the USSR should have won the war in Afghanistan, get it , its an old adage, you win wars by holding territory. Rick, NY
21. To: No. 19
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (05.27.09)
"I would have thought that the massive tank & crew losses suffered by Israel at the hands of 2000 Hezbollah in Lebanon in 2006" First of all, the losses were not "massive." Secondly, Israel conducted a relatively careful campaign, because terrorists hide among civilians. Don't count on that happening again. The recent Gaza operation -- also carefully conducted -- taught Israel that she is damned if she does; damned if she doesn't. About 1100 dead, 980 of them Hamas terrorists, and Israel gets accused of "war crimes." About five million innocent civilians have died in the Congo -- not a word. Same thing with Dharfur, except the death toll is about 300,000. Do you know how many innocent East Timorese civilians perished when Oz shelled the Indonesian army? A whole lot more than 1100, I can tell you that much. There's no upside to Israel conducting a careful campaign. And Israel's air force is the best in the world. Fully capable of carpet bombing its neighbors to hell and gone. Just like what the Allies did to Dresden in the Second World War. Russia sitting back? Look at Chechen. I'm not at all sure that Russia is capable of fighting its way out of a brown paper bag. They've lost every war that hasn't been fought on Russian soil, anyway. Russia's been probing at the edges of the Middle East, to no avail. Their best bet was Turkey, and that didn't happen, so it isn't going to happen. Finally, I take great exception to your likening Gaza to a concentration camp. My parents are concentration camp survivors. The fact that Palestinians have been left to fester in those sordid refugee camps has more to do with their brother Arabs refusing to resettle them for sixty-one years.
22. To: Eyes Wide Shut
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (05.27.09)
How do you "make friends" with people who are sworn to your destruction and whose charters call for your extermination?
23. Poor Sarah
Eyes Wide Open ,   Australia   (05.27.09)
For a start you seem to have you numbers reversed, i thing the UN reported 900+ civilian deaths in Gaza including over 300 children plus 190 insurgents. Israel also claimed it didnt use white phosphorous, a blatant lie it has now reversed. The world is used to Israels lies, as it is used to the 69 UN resolutions Israel is in direct violation of, which happens to be more than all the nations of the earth combined. As for OZ campaign in Timor there was no shelling, there was no conflict with the TNI only militia and the only civilians killed were killed by militia as they burned the place down (Scorched Earth Policy) as they left. Australia in fact did such a good job in Timor that military representatives from all over the world (including USA) came to us to find out how we possibly achieved such a result. Our SAS was enough to send the militia scurrying away into Indonesia, there were no Airstrikes, naval barrages, no tanks and no use of banned weapons, just brave and well trained men with stringent ROE, fighting armed militia not women and children, elderly people. How do I know this? I was there with 4RAR (commando) for several weeks before commencement of the mission and for 3 months following, then I headed to Solomon Islands. Your lies are no good here, as for Russia you must have forgotten already what they did recently in Georgia to the Israeli trained US supplied Georgian Army?? I really hope Israel does hit Iran, it will learn a lesson that can only be learned by utter defeat and huge losses. Maybe then Israel will learn to befriend it's neighbours as opposed to the policy it has used since 1948. You and those like you are the worst enemies Israel can have, not only are you delusional and in denial, but you appear to have no care as to what the possible consequences of idiotic and delusional politicians bringing war apon Israel.
24. Thigs That Apply To Sarah
Blood Diamonds ,   Australia   (05.27.09)
Things that apply to Sarah "I used to have a handle on life, but it broke." "Consciousness: That annoying time between naps." "Ever stop to think, and forget to start again" "I smile because I don't know what the hell is going on." "The gene pool could use some chlorine" And finally Sarah Stupidity is not a handicap. Park elsewhere!
25. IDF preparations.
Steve ,   Australia   (05.27.09)
So long as Israel loses any war it starts, I don't care wjhat sort of war it is. :)
26. classic war
alimm ,   india   (05.27.09)
i doubt there'll be any winners here...netanyahu pls grow up...
27. To: No. 24
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (05.27.09)
ooooh. Which comic book did you clip that from? When are you planning to start reading Dick and Jane? Cretin.
28. #20..Rick NY...HOLD ON TO TERRITORY !
ABRAHAM ben JACOB ,   CANADA   (05.30.09)
RICK #20 FROM NY CLAIMS ISRAEL WON WARS BY FLUKES, NOT BY EXPERTISE. HEY RICK, A WIN IS A WIN , WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ! SPORTS TEAMS OFTEN WIN THEIR GAMES BY A "FLUCKY GOAL" ..... THEY STILL WON !!! BE A "SPORT" RICK, NOT THE POOR LOSER YOU SOUND LIKE. ANOTHER SNIPPIT OF RICK'S ADVICE....HE SAYS ... "Israel's Air power doesnt mean much,... its an old adage, you win wars by holding territory." IT SOUNDS PRETTY CLEAR THAT RICK WOULD HAVE FAVOURED ISRAEL TO "HOLD" ON TO THE TERRITORY OF SINAI, AND NOT TO RETURN SINAI TO EGYPT IN THE PEACE DEAL. ISRAEL HAS ALREADY BEATEN MULTIPLE ARAB ARMIES INCLUDING, SYRIA, EGYPT, JORDAN ETC, THE WARS WERE "WON" AND WINNING MEANS COMING OUT A WINNER BY PROTECTING YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND IT'S PEOPLE. ALSO , WINNING IS NOT ALLOWING YOUR ENEMIES TO DESTROY YOU, AND ISRAEL DID WIN BY THIS DEFINITION. THE REASON WHY ISRAEL DID WIN THE WARS WAS PARTLY DUE TO THAT THE FACT THAT THE CLASSIC PAL-ARAB TACTIC OF HIDING BEHIND WOMEN AND CHILDREN WAS NOT YET FORMULATED BY THE ARAB ARMIES. BUT NOW, WE SEE THE MORE ASTUTE ARB TACTICS OF HAMAS AND HIZBOLA, OF HIDING IN SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, U.N. BUILDINGS, USING AMBULANCES TO TRANSPORT MEN AND ARMS....... THE MOST FAVORED "MILITARY " TACTICS OF THESE ARAB HAMAS AND HEZBOS, IS TRY AND GET AS MANY WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN FRONT OF THEM...... THEY CALL THIS GENIUS MILITARY TACTIC, THE "HUMAN SHIELD" .....VERY COWARDLY ! AND THE CONSCIENTIOUS ISRAELI SOLDIERS WILL BE HUMANE AND TRY TO LIMIT CIVILIAN CASUALTIES,........ THE VERY SAME ARAB CIVILIANS THAT HAMAS-HIZBOS HIDE BEHIND ARE THE ONE THE ISRAELI ARMY TRIED CAREFULLY NOT TO INJURE. NOW, THAT IS WHAT I CALL A REAL MORAL ARMY, WITH IT'S INDIVIDUAL HUMANE SOLDIER....THE ISRAELI SOLDIER,....... THE WORLD CAN LEARN A GENIUNE LESSON IN HUMANITY FROM THE ISRAEL PEOPLE AND ARMY AND NOT ONLY TO CONSTANTLY ACCUSE AND CRITICISE ISRAEL.
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