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Tel Aviv: Dozens protest Nakba bill
Tal Rabinovsky
Published: 28.05.09, 14:37
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31. Abu Jihad #16 I hope you keep your promise
Gee ,   Zikron Yaakov   (05.28.09)
Go ahead prove to us you are a man of your word. When we start deporting illegal aliens you will be one of those. Good riddance stupid.
32. Wrong!
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (05.28.09)
"You don’t have to agree with someone to respect his right to mourn, if that what he feels like doing. This is not a complex issue and you don’t have to be a radical leftist to understand people have the right to hold mourning rallies." Hey, numbnuts, do you realize somewhere in the dim recesses of your mind that allowing this particular brand of "mourning" and recognizing the "Naqba" generally is tantamount to acknowledging that Israel is responsible for their disaster? They are "mourning" an alleged Israeli responsibility for the fact that (a) they did NOT accept the two-state solution profferedin 1947, choosing instead to vacate their homes at the behest of the invading Arab armies, and (b) that Israel is somehow responsible for the fact that they remain refugees sixty-one years hence despite the fact that it is entirely the responsibility of their brother Arabs, who have for sixty-one years refused to resettle them. Idiots, you are; all of you. This is not "free speech." This is "license," "slander" and "libel," which are NOT constitutionally protected in any democratic country I know of. What you cretins are protecting is actually considered "sedition." In some countries, it's punishable by death. In others, it's punishable by extremely long prison sentences. Nowhere -- but NOWHERE -- is it considered "free speech." Look it up. While you are at it, ask your idiot selves this: are Germans allowed to "mourn" the defeat of the Nazis? (Answer: No.) Are the French allowed to "mourn" the defeat of the Vichy government? (Answer: No.) Get a clue; get an education; shut up.
33. whats wrong with citizenship demanding loyalty
zionist forever   (05.28.09)
Citizenship gives you alot of rights including the right to vote its not just an ID card. If you want all these rights then it should be conditional on loyalty. Even if the bill doesn't pass in its current form it should apply at least to all public officials and most certainly to Knesset members. Right now we have the likes of Tibi who make illigal trips to enemy states & get away with it because of Knesset imunity. They organise rallies saying Israel has no right to exist and even say that in the Knesset itself. Any individual or party wanting to stand for election must swear loyalty. Its the only way to get rid of the Tibis & Bishras entering politics and leading a fith colum. If you want to contribute to the democratic process through citizenship then your going to have to pay that privalage through loyalty to the state. Time for these left wing liberals to shut up. It people like them that brought us oslo nakba and caused so much suffering for Israelis. PASS THE NAKBA LAW NOW
34. 16
zionist forever   (05.28.09)
If you dont like the citizenship law your welcome to not accept it and you can go live under Hamas rule you just cant take Yaffo or any other part of Israel with you. You want to keep your citizenship rights like right to send your kids to school, healthcare and all the other rights including of course the right to vote then your going to have to abide by this law or you will loose every single one of those rights that citizenship entitles you to. Fair is fair you want something from the state then the state wants something from you.
35. #18 - Americans burning flags
P ,   Philadelphia   (05.28.09)
Some of us do burn the flag as a form of protest. That's very different from throwing molotov cocktails, and to equate the two is ridiculous. Flags are pieces of cloth. Ethnic and national chauvenism are both pathetic. What we should have our eyes on is commitment to the well-being and justice for all of humanity and eliminating things that prevent that. Democracy within a nation is just another tool - I am not loyal to the United States, but I wish to keep pushing it to be better, just as I want to push other countries towards solutions best for all humanity. I believe Israel has a better government than many of its neighbors, but there are major problems as well. If I thought the neighbors would listen, I have much harsher criticism for them than I do Israel, even as I would criticise each. The textbooks portraying us as greedy pigs and monsters bleeding children need to disappear, but so does the conception of us as a chosen people by some imaginary being in the sky. Arrogance brings hatred, and what should be a smaller response becomes a larger one because of larger problems in Arab society and our handiness as a distraction. A solution will be difficult and slow, but it is one we need, unless we want to keep being hated and this sad situation to go on forever. We can't hide in bunkers with enemies at the gate for the rest of eternity, and in the long run we have to reshape our enviroment. The IDF is necessary in the short term, but it cannot be our only interaction with our neighbours.
36. Hypocrites
Ellen ,   Israel/USA   (05.28.09)
Amazing, when the left wing, anti-Israel, fifth column is possibly being shut up then all of a sudden calls of Democracy and Free speech are heard. BUT when the right tries to have an opinion it is okay to quash it. I assume the 40 people who demonstrated here are also organizing to demonstrate to allow Arutz 7 to return to the open airways. After all --don't they too have free speech. ( don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting for the demo)
37. How is asking a pledge of allegiance racist?
Aharon ,   USA   (05.28.09)
Most countries have this. In the US, a pledge of allegiance is recited everyday at school. If someone doesn't pledge allegiance to their country, why should that country be obligated to grant that person citizenship much less the ability to live within its borders?
38. These rules are the begining of the end
Concerned citizen   (05.29.09)
In a democratic country, a government can't simply remove the citizens it doesn't like. The government must be loyal to its citizens, not the other way around. There's no real threat here to the well-being of a jewish Israel that warrents risking the democratic Israel. All of a sudden everybody talks about traitors and "bad citizens" as if the country is under any internal threat. Needless to say what that reminds me of...
39. What is missing...
Keren ,   Israel-SP   (05.29.09)
What is missing in Israeli Media and in Israeli education(not only Israeli of course)is a more broad contextual view of its own situation.It is missing to put Israel's today reality in context with its past,and I mean not only recent past .It is missing a broad contextual view in all aspects of Israeli life ,a not tendecial view based on a certain ideology(left for example)but a view based in the factual reality of Jews. A trully ethical vision is missing and should be retrieved... People can not live in delusions anymore ,like these morons are.
40. #37
Aharon   (05.29.09)
Does the US pledge ask you to pledge allegiance to America as a "white [in israel: jewish as opposed to arab], Capitalist [adherence to a certain ideology i.e. Zionism], democratic" state? I think not, given that is completely UNdemocratic... Don't try to justify this pathetic law.
41. To: P at No. 35
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (05.29.09)
Burning the U.S. flag in the United States is considered "symbolic speech." Burning the French flag in France is considered an act of treason. I am not interested in "dialogue" with Palestinians. They are vanquished, and need to realize this. If a Palestinian burns an Israeli flag, I am outraged -- it is far more than a piece of cloth, and I have pretty good knowledge of how many people died to make that flag a possibility -- and I say: send the flag-burner to jail and throw away the key. Put into the cell with him or her a book of matches and a tot of gasoline. With any luck, they will set themselves afire. Now THAT would be symbolic speech. If they have a cause that they believe in so absolutely, they should be willing to die for it. I, on the other hand, am willing to bet that the book of matches and the tot of gasoline are put as far away from one another as possible. These people are blowhards. Not willing to die for their beliefs, which kind of calls their beliefs into question, now, doesn't it? (Of course, I exclude suicide bombers from this category. They are sold by their parents and sent by their masters. If the senders or their parents are willing to blow themselves up for an articulated cause, I might listen a little harder. As it is, it's just abuse at the hands of terrorist who are willing to send others to their deaths but not to die themselves and, of course, financial gain for mommy and daddy.)
42. To: No. 40
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (05.29.09)
Actually, it goes like this: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United State of America and to the republic for which it stands; one nation, under G-d, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Yes, Aharon. Americans do have a pledge of allegiance which is recited by schoolchildren every morning. Did you have another question?
43. 22 countries & tiny Israel?
observer   (05.29.09)
Jews live in 160 states, and sit in parliaments of 10 countries; there are or were Jewish premier ministers in France, Russia, Austria etc. In the Jewish state, there are no goy ministers, and goyim – whether Christian or Muslim have no full rights, even if they were born there. Arabs started only one war, in 1973, and were victorious then, in 1967, because they perfidiously attacked without declaring the war.
44. 43
zionist forever   (05.29.09)
Arabs & muslims live in countries all over the world they are not gehtoised into 22 states. There are 22 arab states over 50 islamic states christian states hindu states Why should the jews be denied a state of their own just because there are jews living in the diaspora? The jews were here continuously before the arabs came along. Most the current arab population are decendents of nomadic arabs from Arabia who followed the early zionists looking for work. Palestine isn't the name of an arab state that has ever existed. The romans renamed the kingdom of Judea Philistina after the infamous Medeterenian philistines. Between the end of the Kingdom of Judea - 1948 it was a province of one empire or another it was never an arab state and arabs were not big land owners. As for wars 1948 / 1949 - Transjordan, Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria all invaded Israel. 1967 - Egypt expelled UN peace keepers from Sinai and prepared for war, Israel had 2 options. 1) Be the good guy and wait for the bigger and stronger arab armies to fire the first shot and start the war on the defensive. 2) Take a pre emptive strike and take the arabs by surprise which means Israel had a netter chance of victory. When you know war is coming all that matters is winning it not being honerable and saying I will be the one who at the end of the battle win loose or draw can hold my head high and say I didnt fire first shot. 1973 - you admit yourself the arabs attacked first How many arab states even allow jews to live in their countries at all? Jordan the arab state which Israel is on best terms and has a peace treaty with will not allow jews to live there. Israel isn't perfect but its a hell of alot better and more tolerant that any of its naighbors.
45. Loyalty
Avi ,   Ashkelon   (05.29.09)
I trust the law will also apply to Neturei Karta and other anti-Israel Jewish religious groups.
46. Loyalty dual
observer   (05.29.09)
American Palestinians can apply to acquire Israeli citizenship. So can American Israeli do in the Palestinian state.
47. clueless #43?
better observer   (05.29.09)
You are full of it. Pompous and that is the only thing you are correct about yourself. If you had any genuine interest in Israel or the Middle East you would have known that for a long time Israel has had Arab supreme court judges, and at lower levels of the judicial system, government ministers and deputy ministers, freely elected members of parliament in purely Arab, Jewish non-Zionist and Jewish Zionist parties alike, ambassadors, high ranking officers in the military and thousands serve as rank and file, doctors in the best hospitals, many Professors in majority Jewish Universities, preferred acceptance to universities, equal and full rights in front of the law and in practice, and much more. In all other countries of the Middle East put together, I believe that only a few months ago a Jew was appointed ambassador of Bahrain, and Iran has one token Jewish member of parliament. but why do you need to bother with facts when Hollywood like fantasies are your hobby, inventing as you go along.
48. To: No. 16
Sarah ,   New York City, USA   (05.30.09)
Why wait? Move to the West Bank or Gaza now, why don't you? Renounce your Israeli citizenship, leave your comfortable home and standard of living, and go live in squalor in Gaza City. Don't drag your feet. Really. Go help build a Palestinian state. Yeah, right. That's what I thought. That's also why you will never have a Palestinian state.
49. #41 - vanquished?
P ,   Philadelphia   (05.30.09)
I don't think the world will allow Israel to treat them as a vanquished people - it is an injustice and makes us monsters. Societies are judged by how they treat their worst off. The israeli flag is not Israel. Israel deserves harsh criticism for making us look bad and for what it does to our fellow people. It is better than its neighbours, yes. It has a lot of room for improvement, yes. It needs visual aides to get its attention like jews, arabs, goyim alike burning its flag, yes.
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