1. It's not THAT hard to find out who sent them
An IP address can be traced.
| Talula , |
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2. the true face of....
the rioters have shown their true faces...these are hudlums not religious people- and they deserve to be treated as such.
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3. Funny you do not act Jewish.
GEEEZE! You a__holes are embarrassing me. It's a freaking parking lot!
You are going to threaten a fellow Jew over some tarmac and yellow lines?
Shame on y'all. You are not Jews. You are 'rabs with payot and gunfighter coats without proper drycleaning and deopdorant.
How effen dare you. You are a blight in the eyes of the worls and a stone on the back of people addressing real problems. Shame. SHAME!!!
| Gide4on Reader |
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4. Pull the other leg
A dozen detainees were released when their Rosh Yeshivah took it upon himself....
Not true: that Yeshiva - in Bayit VeGan - did not take part at all. The Police charged in an grabbed the first dozen boys they could lay hands on. The boys were freed immediately by the court.
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5. Eda Haredit
This fractionalized population of orthodox Jews, who were, in fact, identified as the violent troublemakers (all grouped under the rubric of "Eda Haredit") not only refuse to do military or other national service but also refuse to acknowledge the state of Israel as being legitemate and, in some cases (see Iran and its conference several months ago), may work actively against our nation. As disreputable as they are, one shouldn't generalize this to all the Charedit residing in Mea She'arim and in other areas of Jerusalem who, although protesting the status of parking on Shabbat, were also non-violent, thereby acting within the bounds of our democratic structure. Having stated the facts here, nonetheless, it seems that the non Eda Haredit orthodox who were protesting might make a statement to the effect that they are against the methods emplyed by the Eda Haredit. Too often, all orthodox in Jerusalem get smeared by the activites of just one group. It would be beneficial to the populace were they to acknowledge their vociferous disagreement with the Eda Haredit. In general, they do not speak up, however, thereby insuring social isolation and misunderstandings. As to the Eda Haredit, how much longer do we have to put up with their messianic yearnings while they refuse to support the state (but are protected by it) and, in some cases, actively work against it?
| Robert Haymond , |
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6. SLANDER
Its easy to make up such stories Barket it won"t help your PR by throwing the dirt back. at the eida charaidit
anyway If you are to dye g-d will do that soon don"t worry
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7. #1 What IP address? Of the mail server?
Because that's the only IP address the recipients' *mail server* is going to see. So, let's assume for a moment that our illustrious police force has a capable computer forensics team, although we're not really talking about people who know much about server logs here...
So say that they can find the point of origin of the email, and zoom in on a mail server from which the threats originated. We can only *hope* that it originated through the servers of a small Israeli business, because that's the only place where will find anything noteworthy fast enough - they can most likely find the sender though the logs.
But that's unlikely, because no one will use a recognizable email address when sending out threats.
So moving on, it can be a mail server of a large ISP. Won't help much either - no one in his right mind will use *that* address, for the same reason as the first - it's immediately traceable to the account holder.
So we have option 3 - tens, if not hundreds of thousands of free public web-email services, like Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo Mail, and so on... untraceable.
Why, you ask? Because we get to that magical animal called Legal Jurisdiction. Most web-mail services don't even have servers in Israel, and it doesn't take a genius to choose a different country of origin to have your inbox set up as far away as possible.
So say our illustrious traces the email to a server in Latvia.
There's really nowhere to go from there, unless they have a lot of time and money to spend on legal battles to get the info from the web-mail company, who will be loath to divulge its private data, and Israel will require the cooperation of the legal bodies of the server's host country.
And when they do this, they finally have the IP address of the threat sender! Only... then they find out of two things...
1. They have to sort through the amazingly huge records of the ISP that owns this IP address to find just *who* had it at *that time* (dynamic IP allocation, after all).
2. The threat sender used a proxy server, or went through several in a chain, to mask his real IP. Which means our legal beagles have to repeat the same legal battles against *more* server holders!
And this was a lesson in Internet Anonymity. Only the stupid or the incredibly dangerous ever get caught.
| Roman , |
Lod, Israel |
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8. As to whoever sent this threat, if found he should be
arrested, tried, and imprisoned. This behavior is simply unacceptable.
| Roman , |
Lod, Israel |
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9. By the way, Charles, are you reading this?
For a moment there I thought the police had arrested hard-boiled, violent protesters - I see instead that applies to about 17 of them, who required bail. So who are the rest?
Looks like teenagers out to see something exciting - like a great big protest. I don't expect to see much coming out of those police indictments, most of which will probably never materialize.
Looks like they went not for the violent people, but again simply for the closest ones wearing the "wrong" clothes.
| Roman , |
Lod, Israel |
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10. Roman , and the six who remain in custody ?
The 17 you are talking about were released on bail . And those who were forbidden to enter Jerusalem . And don't forget , all will be indicted .
Thanks for your explanation on internet . As you said , who will be so stupid to send treaths from a easy to trace place [ if there are ? ]
| Charles , |
Petach Tikva |
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11. And we complain about the Palestinian "revolving door"!
If you are Ultra-Orthodox or a religious member of a party in the coalition you are above the law!
The Police should be investigated for failing to maintain law and orderer and for failing to protect the citizens of the State of Israel. Every time they are confronted with a problem they take the easy way out and appease the fanatical elements in this country!
The question is how long will Mayor Nir Barkat (Likud) be able to hold out? How long will it take PM Netanyahu to remind him that his Government relies on the "support" of these religious fantastics many of whom leech on the State but do not even recognize it?
| David , |
Karmiel, Israel |
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12. #10 You're right, my mistake - 6 remain in custody.
And they can be treated as an actual risk.
That still leaves over half who were released without batting an eyelash, and most of the other half, including those released on bail, would have been kept under arrest if they were deemed dangerous.
I'm going to wait and see if any indictments against these folks emerge. I honestly don't expect any, at least not beyond the 6 who stayed under arrest.
| Roman , |
Lod, Israel |
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13. #12 Correction - almost half rather than more than half.
| Roman , |
Lod, Israel |
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14. Roman
They were released because they are not ALWAYS dangerous [ i hope so !!! LOL ] , and for some their entry in Jerusalen was also denied .
| Charles , |
Petach Tikva |
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